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Scriptural Evidence That Hell Might Not Be Eternal

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Online Etymology Dictionary

It is originally Greek mythology, the earliest known usages are Homer talking about the mythological God of the Underworld and his abode.
If it were mythology, it would make no sense for Jesus to warn people of it.

I believe the OED is wrong on this one. I do not believe it originated in Greek Mythology.
 
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Seriously? I should repent because I don't care...
Yes. We are not to be careless. We are to be care-free. There's a difference. Not caring that someone doesn't understand is sheer arrogance and pride: CARELESS. Not caring if one is fired or gets into other trouble, merely for having faith in Christ is freedom: CAREFREE. Capiche?
 
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If it were mythology, it would make no sense for Jesus to warn people of it.

Why not, Jesus often spoke in ways that made sense to the original audience, and is a concept that would be familiar to Him and them.

I believe the OED is wrong on this one. I do not believe it originated in Greek Mythology.

Well that solves that pickle.
 
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If it were mythology, it would make no sense for Jesus to warn people of it.

I believe the OED is wrong on this one. I do not believe it originated in Greek Mythology.
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Yes. We are not to be careless. We are to be care-free. There's a difference. Not caring that someone doesn't understand is sheer arrogance and pride: CARELESS. Not caring if one is fired or gets into other trouble, merely for having faith in Christ is freedom: CAREFREE. Capiche?

For the record, I believe that The Studious One is a Christian and will be resurrected with the rest of us. Even though he is misinformed about Greek Mythology.

If he were confused about Jesus Christ, I would do everyting in my power to help him. Since he is only confused about a place called "Hades," it really doesn't matter, therefore I don't care. But as you can see, I obviously DO care, since I am taking the time to patiently explain. Even though I get condemned for it.
 
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There seems a lot of confusion about sheol (hades) and the lake of fire being one and the same..
No confusion on my behalf, Mike.

Hades/Sheol is the realm where departed souls are.
Geenna is the lake that burns with fire and brimstone.

Hades/Sheol is not the grave. There is no fire in the grave. The rich man lifted up his eyes in hell being in torment's and seeing Abraham afar off with Lazarus in his bosom cried, "Father Abraham. Have mercy upon me for I am tormented in this flame.

Many mistake the Hades/Sheol to be the grave. But the grave is other than the grave. No fire in the grave.

The Hebrews had a different word for grave. It was the word, queber.

Man can put a body in queber. But man cannot put a soul in Sheol.

Man can dig a queber. But man cannot dig Sheol.

A dead body cannot speak from the grave. But a soul can cry out from Sheol.

As I said, there is no confusion here.
 
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No confusion on my behalf, Mike.

Hades/Sheol is the realm where departed souls are.
Geenna is the lake that burns with fire and brimstone.

Hades/Sheol is not the grave. There is no fire in the grave. The rich man lifted up his eyes in hell being in torment's and seeing Abraham afar off with Lazarus in his bosom cried, "Father Abraham. Have mercy upon me for I am tormented in this flame.

Many mistake the Hades/Sheol to be the grave. But the grave is other than the grave. No fire in the grave.

The Hebrews had a different word for grave. It was the word, queber.

Man can put a body in queber. But man cannot put a soul in Sheol.

Man can dig a queber. But man cannot dig Sheol.

A dead body cannot speak from the grave. But a soul can cry out from Sheol.

As I said, there is no confusion here.

Are you trying to say that the grave (Strong's Hebrew Dictionary: 7585. sheol or sheol) is different to a grave.
 
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No confusion on my behalf, Mike.

Hades/Sheol is the realm where departed souls are.
Geenna is the lake that burns with fire and brimstone.

If you mean whjere all people go, fine.

Hades/Sheol is not the grave. There is no fire in the grave. The rich man lifted up his eyes in hell being in torment's and seeing Abraham afar off with Lazarus in his bosom cried, "Father Abraham. Have mercy upon me for I am tormented in this flame.

Many mistake the Hades/Sheol to be the grave. But the grave is other than the grave. No fire in the grave.

The Hebrews had a different word for grave. It was the word, queber.

Man can put a body in queber. But man cannot put a soul in Sheol.

Man can dig a queber. But man cannot dig Sheol.

A dead body cannot speak from the grave. But a soul can cry out from Sheol.

As I said, there is no confusion here.


Firstly, many translations of the bible translate sheol and hades as the grave. Secondly There is also no such thing as a dismebodied 'soul' as it dies at physical death (numbers 23:10, judges 16:30) The 'soul' does not live outside a body!
 
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If you mean whjere all people go, fine.




Firstly, many translations of the bible translate sheol and hades as the grave. Secondly There is also no such thing as a dismebodied 'soul' as it dies at physical death (numbers 23:10, judges 16:30) The 'soul' does not live outside a body!
Actually, the soul does indeed leave the body upon death.

1 Kings 17:22 (KJV) And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

In order for the soul to come into the child again, the soul would first have to have left the body.

Scripture also reveals that the soul left Rachel's body...

Genesis 35:18 (KJV) And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

There is no such thing as soul sleep. When the mortal body dies, the body is committed to the ground, while the soul goes to either heaven or hell. If it goes to hell, it will experience all the torment of hell.
 
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Actually, the soul does indeed leave the body upon death.

1 Kings 17:22 (KJV) And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

In order for the soul to come into the child again, the soul would first have to have left the body.

Scripture also reveals that the soul left Rachel's body...

Genesis 35:18 (KJV) And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

There is no such thing as soul sleep. When the mortal body dies, the body is committed to the ground, while the soul goes to either heaven or hell. If it goes to hell, it will experience all the torment of hell.
In the New Testament, the Word of God states:

2 Corinthians 5:8 (KJV) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Philippians 1:23 (KJV) For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

The basic meaning of death is separation. It has three different usages in the Bible in reference to man:

1. Spiritual death-separation from God because of sin:

Ephesians 2:1 (KJV) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Colossians 2:13 (KJV) And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

2. Physical death
-separation of the spirit from the body:

Matthew 2:15 (KJV) And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Genesis 35:18 (KJV) And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing,(for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

James 2:26 (KJV) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

3. Eternal death or Second death-the final, eternal separation of the unsaved from God and life:

Revelation 20:14 (KJV) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 21:8 (KJV) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 (KJV)
Who shall be punished with everlasting (perpetual) destruction (ruin, i.e. death, punishment) from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

When you die, the physical body is buried in the GRAVE where it decomposes. The GRAVE is not Sheol or Hades. The soul departs and either goes to Hell ... if one dies without Christ....or to Heaven to be with the Lord (absent from the body, present with the Lord). Hell is not annihilation and those lost souls will remain in Hell (Hades) until they are judged at the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15). Death and hell will be cast into the Lake of Fire...then those whose names are not found written in the Book of Life will be cast into the Lake of Fire (Gehenna). This is eternal separation from God...forever and ever.
 
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Death and hell are cast into the lake of fire prior to the unsaved being cast in.

Amen (Revelation 20:14-15). But the lake of fire is the second death (Revelation 21:8b, Revelation 20:14b, Revelation 2:11, Revelation 20:6).

Studious One said:

And Scripture declares that the last enemy to be destroyed is death.

Amen (1 Corinthians 15:26). But 1 Corinthians 15:26 is referring only to the first death being destroyed, not the eternally tormenting second death of the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10,14,15, Revelation 14:10-11, Matthew 25:41,46), also called the hell of Gehenna (Luke 12:5, Mark 9:45-46).

Studious One said:

So the souls assigned to geenna will not die for death has already been destroyed before they are cast into geenna.

The unsaved souls cast into the eternal hell of Gehenna/the lake of fire will die the eternally tormenting second death of the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10,14,15, Revelation 14:10-11, Matthew 25:41,46, Mark 9:45-46), for only the first death will be destroyed before they are cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:14-15, 1 Corinthians 15:26).

Even though the unsaved do die the first death and will die the second death, it should be pointed out that the first death doesn't mean and the second death won't mean the end of their souls' consciousness. Instead, when unsaved people die the first death, their souls remain conscious and they experience the fiery torments of the temporary hell of Hades (Luke 16:22-24). And when unsaved people will be resurrected into resurrection bodies and then die the second death (Revelation 20:12-15), their souls will remain conscious and they will experience forever the fiery torments of the eternal hell of Gehenna/the lake of fire (Mark 9:45-46, Matthew 25:41,46, Revelation 20:10,15, Revelation 14:10-11).
 
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Definitely not Greek Mythology. Sheol, geenna, and hades are all Bible terms.

Sheol and Gehenna are definitely Hebrew terms but Hades is definitely Greek.

Sheol is the place of the dead... the Unseen.

Gehenna is the rubbish dump outside Jerusalem where the bodies of criminals were burned... and where hundreds of thousands were buried after the fall of Jerusalem and the Temple in approx 70 AD.. and you know that.

But Hades is definitely from Greek mythology.

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1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell


Why would Jesus use pagan mythology?


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I've noted since I posted this that you refuse to entertain the idea that Hades is in fact Greek mythology. Is that because you don't want to doubt 'the word of God'? Does the idea that Jesus used Greek mythology irk you? It does me, and so I decided to delve into it myself. I believe now that the word should be translated the 'Unseen'.. the equivalent of Sheol. Simply, the place of the dead... no torment, no torture... just death.
 
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The same Greek words used to denote that Heaven is eternal and everlasting are used to denote that Hell is eternal and everlasting.

If you claim that Hell is not eternal, than you are subsequently also saying that Heaven is not eternal. And I've never met any Christian who believes that!


 
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The same Greek words used to denote that Heaven is eternal and everlasting are used to denote that Hell is eternal and everlasting.

If you claim that Hell is not eternal, than you are subsequently also saying that Heaven is not eternal. And I've never met any Christian who believes that!



(ISV) And this is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent-Jesus Christ.

Eternal life is a quality of life and has nothing to do with time.
 
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Christian and prominent theologian doing that.

"Heaven - temporary holding"

YouTube - Nightline: Bishop Tom Wright (Life after "Life-after-death")

This guy aligns with much of my theological position concerning Heaven. When I say the word "Heaven" I actually mean the New Earth - the term "heaven" can be used to denote several places. I probably should change the terms I used so there is no confusion. As for Heaven being a temporary holding spot, I disagree. Hades is the temporary holding spot. When Jesus comes back for His church He comes down FROM Heaven and the dead in Christ will rise to met Him. (1 Thess. 4:16) The dead in Christ aren't in Heaven currently and no one is in the Lake of Fire currently. All dead are in Hades/Sheol.

This guy believes that the New Earth experience is an eternal one. This is what I was trying to get at with my post. I haven't met a Christian who thinks their time in direct communion with God after death is temporary. On the New Earth we are going to be constantly basking in God's glory.
 
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(ISV) And this is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent-Jesus Christ.

Eternal life is a quality of life and has nothing to do with time.

Yes - Eternal life is knowing God, but this knowledge is not simply knowing information about God; it is having a relationship with him, involving response, obedience and continual fellowship that will last as long as God lasts - eternity.

Eternal life ceases to be eternal life if this quality of life can come to an end.

 
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