Judaism and Hell

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hello.
What are the Jews beliefs in hell as believed in the religions of Islam and Christianity?
And/or how do they differ? Thank you

 

[b&wpac4]

I do not believe there is a place of eternal torment and suffering for anybody. I believe that there is a purification for those who require purification. I could also be convinced to believe some people are so wicked they are simply annihilated, but I certainly do not believe they are tormented forever.

 

[tucker58]

Hello.
What are the Jews beliefs in hell as believed in the religions of Islam and Christianity?
And/or how do they differ? Thank you

Cool topic!

The Jewish reality is based on what you get as a physically living being. They have no after life in their religion.

When you are dead you are dead.

Some folks actually disagree with that and I am inclined to agree with those folks, that actually disagree.

As a Christian, one life is enough even if there are more, because you are saved. As a Jew it is grab it now, and if you can, God is with you.

just love?

tuck

 

[tucker58]

I do not believe there is a place of eternal torment and suffering for anybody. I believe that there is a purification for those who require purification. I could also be convinced to believe some people are so wicked they are simply annihilated, but I certainly do not believe they are tormented forever.

Christian Scripture seems to indicate that after Jesus returns and then after Satan is loosed for a little while, that there will be a final judgement and that some folks are not going to be happy about that. But that is after the return of our Lord and Savior, and He has not returned yet. We as Christians are waiting for this.

love,

tuck

 

[b&wpac4]

Cool topic!

The Jewish reality is based on what you get as a physically living being. They have no after life in their religion.

When you are dead you are dead.

Some folks actually disagree with that and I am inclined to agree with those folks, that actually disagree.

There is an afterlife in Judaism.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There is an afterlife in Judaism.

What about a type of "limbo/purgatory" that is viewed in some denominations of Christianity?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7490145/
How can Roman Catholics say purgatory does NOT deny the atoning nature of Christ's sh

 

[Mr Dave]

Talmud

(When looking in the index for Hell)

Second Tractate Bava Metzi'a(The Middle Gate)

Chapter 4 - All descend to Hell? [Surely not! What he meant was,] All descend to Hell and then return except for three, who descend but do not ascend, and these are they: one who sleeps with another man's wife, one who puts another to shame in public and one who uses an offensive nickname for someone.

(Footnote - Rabbi Hanina seems to understand Hell as a place of purgation.(emphasis mine))


(When looking in the index for Gehinnom/Hell)

Twelfth Tractate Hagiga (The Festival Sacrifice)

Chapter 2 - When The Other died [the angelic 'judges' in the world beyond the grave] said, He cannot be sentenced [to punishment], nor can he be admitted to the World to Come. He cannot be sentenced [to punishment] since he has engaged in [the study of] Torah; he cannot be admitted to the World to Come since he has sinned.
Rabbi Meir said, Better they should sentence him [to punishment], so that [when his sin is purged] he can be admitted to the World to Come. When I die I shall make [sure that] smoke arises from his grave.

(Footnote - Elisha will be punished for his sin by being burnt, and when his sin is purged he will be able to enter the World to Come.) (emphasis mine)

 

[Mr Dave]

This is my source in case anyone wanted to know (The Talmud - Penguin Books)

 

[tucker58]

Talmud

(When looking in the index for Hell)

Second Tractate Bava Metzi'a(The Middle Gate)

Chapter 4 - All descend to Hell? [Surely not! What he meant was,] All descend to Hell and then return except for three, who descend but do not ascend, and these are they: one who sleeps with another man's wife, one who puts another to shame in public and one who uses an offensive nickname for someone.

(Footnote - Rabbi Hanina seems to understand Hell as a place of purgation.(emphasis mine))


(When looking in the index for Gehinnom/Hell)

Twelfth Tractate Hagiga (The Festival Sacrifice)

Chapter 2 - When The Other died [the angelic 'judges' in the world beyond the grave] said, He cannot be sentenced [to punishment], nor can he be admitted to the World to Come. He cannot be sentenced [to punishment] since he has engaged in [the study of] Torah; he cannot be admitted to the World to Come since he has sinned.
Rabbi Meir said, Better they should sentence him [to punishment], so that [when his sin is purged] he can be admitted to the World to Come. When I die I shall make [sure that] smoke arises from his grave.

(Footnote - Elisha will be punished for his sin by being burnt, and when his sin is purged he will be able to enter the World to Come.) (emphasis mine)

Dave, yours is an interesting contribution to understanding world religion.

just love,

tuck

 

[Mr Dave]

Dave, yours is an interesting contribution to understanding world religion.

Is that 'good interesting' or 'bad interesting'? :o

 

[tucker58]

What about a type of "limbo/purgatory" that is viewed in some denominations of Christianity?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7490145/
How can Roman Catholics say purgatory does NOT deny the atoning nature of Christ's sh

First of all what does the word "sh" stand for? I think that it is one of the keys to your question .

I am not sure that the Catholic Church is Jewish and most consider them (the Catholic Church) a bit pagan. Which they (the Catholic Church) probably are. But we all do have the option of Jesus because of their gifts, in spite of their sins as Christian reps. Ideally their sins should be straightened out, but that should be a topic that has nothing to do with Judaism, or maybe it does ?

just love,

tuck

 

[tucker58]

Is that 'good interesting' or 'bad interesting'? :o

Dave you are very awake and do not trust me

What you have created is "good" interesting and that is me personally being honest.

Everyone should ask your question when dealing with me. If pinned down, I will be honest about whether I am being honest or not.

just love,

tuck

 

[JJWhite]

I want to look into this debate amongst Islamic scholars, too.... just added to the things I have to research...

http://www.christianforums.com/t7489846/

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Great question. Most Christians believe in an ever-burning hell because of the disagreeable people they want to see in it . However there is little scriptural support for that idea.

The wages of sin is "death", not eternal life in torment. At the judgement many will suffer the second death, not sentenced to eternal torment. That is reserved for wicked spirits (that cannot die and are in eternal torment because they will be imprisoned forever).

 

[ChavaK]

Cool topic!

The Jewish reality is based on what you get as a physically living being. They have no after life in their religion.

When you are dead you are dead.
tuck

Not true. Judaism does hold belief in an after life.
The resurrection of the dead is one of the Rambam's 13 principles of faith, something Orthodox Jews ascribe to.

 

[ChavaK]

I do not believe there is a place of eternal torment and suffering for anybody. I believe that there is a purification for those who require purification. I could also be convinced to believe some people are so wicked they are simply annihilated, but I certainly do not believe they are tormented forever.

I agree.

 

[JJWhite]

A verse from the Qur'an...

[2:80] Some (Jews) have said, "Hell will not touch us, except for a limited number of days." Say, "Have you taken such a pledge from God? God never breaks His pledge. Or, are you saying about God what you do not know?"

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

A verse from the Qur'an...

[2:80] Some (Jews) have said, "Hell will not touch us, except for a limited number of days." Say, "Have you taken such a pledge from God? God never breaks His pledge. Or, are you saying about God what you do not know?"

Salam JJW
There is also a thread concerning Islam and Hell

http://www.christianforums.com/t2729707/
Are muslims scared of hell ?

 

[xDenax]

I figure some sort of our energy goes back to God. What is done with it...I have no idea.