What if Mary appeared to you? [MOVED TO MARIOLOGY]

[LittleLambofJesus]

Finally some reason on this thread! Thanks LLOJ.

As they deny she sinned in Adam ignoring scripture, they paste this "assumption theme" in it.

They also use the Scriptures for the "Real Presence" in the wafer

http://www.christianforums.com/t7490290/#post55448846
The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist

 

[Frogster]

Leviticus 20:6 says "Should anyone turn to mediums and fortune-tellers and follow their wanton ways. I will turn against such a one and cut him off from his people."
verse 27 says "A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortune-teller shall be put to death by stoning."

Both of these come to light in the Medium of Endor (1 Samuel 28:8-11) where Saul disbelieved in the power of God to save him, and went to find other means of salvation. If this is what a person praying to Mary or to the saints is doing, he is commiting a sin.

Prayer to Mary is not the same concept as what Saul did; a person does not disbelieve in the power of God, and think that Mary will be able to succeed where God supposedly failed; it is asking for prayer from one who is much closer to God than we are. None of the passages above say anything about what we are talking about; all are alive in Christ. Just because they exist differently then we do does not mean they are no longer members of the Body of Christ, or that they are some brainless force floating around somewhere; Revelation sees them as still very involved in spiritual warfare (i.e. Rev. 7:9-11).

Necromancy is turning away from God; asking for intercession is turning to him, just as asking you to pray for me is turning to him.

No..just go to God directly, we don't need an alternate route.

1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

 

[Frogster]

They also use the Scriptures for the "Real Presence" in the wafer

http://www.christianforums.com/t7490290/#post55448846
The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist

They add..what is not there, and omit what they don't want.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

What if Mary appeared to you?

No..just go to God directly, we don't need an alternate route.

1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Of course there is one mediator. But as has been hashed over many times before, praying "to" the Saints is actually asking their intercession, like you would ask someone to pray for you. But that's massively off-topic anyway.

The topic here is Marian apparitions.

Ahhh....I thought I remembered a thread on this topic

http://www.christianforums.com/f726/
Mariology & Hagiography

http://www.christianforums.com/t7058376-9/#post45141959
Marian Apparitions..

Seems downright scary how some flock to water and rust stains...I saw one where they had a whole shrine like setup were there pictures/candles and they were praying before the pictures and the water stain..The scriptures warn about seeking ater signs and how blessed are those with faith even tho they don't see signs..One thing with deception in the last days is that the elect won't be deceived....peace to you ..nab

 

[Jakihe]

No..just go to God directly, we don't need an alternate route.

1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

The Bible is clear on this!

 

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The Bible is clear on this!

Of course there is one mediator. But as has been hashed over many times before, praying "to" the Saints is actually asking their intercession, like you would ask someone to pray for you. But that's massively off-topic anyway.

The topic here is Marian apparitions.

 

[Frogster]

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The Bible is clear on this!

 

[Frogster]

Of course there is one mediator. But as has been hashed over many times before, praying "to" the Saints is actually asking their intercession, like you would ask someone to pray for you. But that's massively off-topic anyway.

The topic here is Marian apparitions.

Well..that means don't be messin with ghosts!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LLOJ unsubscribes

 

[Secundulus]

These sound like fodder for agnostics.
Let's first stay focused on my quesstion,
Please share a situation where humans appeared to earthly humans.

The Transfiguration.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Me personally, I would rebuke it in Jesus name!

Padre Pio had St Mary appear to him and he also had satan appear to him as St Mary and Padre Pio was able to discern the difference.

If you ever want to know of an apostle of our generation that did works like they did in the Early Church then Padre Pio is a great example. The Holy Spirit was working through him and performing miracles like one would associate with the Apostles.

 

[tadoflamb]

List of Approved Lourdes Miracles

In 1859, Professor Vergez of the Faculty of Medicine at Montpellier was appointed to examine the cures. Seven cures were recorded before 1862 promoting the argument for the recognition of the Apparitions by Bishop Laurence. Over 5,000 cures have been documented at the waters of Lourdes. The Church has vigorously investigated and validated a mere 67 of them.

Download a list of miracles authenticated by International Medical Committee of Lourdes (C.M.I.L.).

How Lourdes Cures Are Recognized as Miraculous (Zenit 2004) Link | PDF

Excerpted from OUR LADY OF LOURDES - APPROVED MIRACLES (1986)
Preface by Henri Donze, Bishop of Tarbes and Lourdes
Preface by Dr. Mangiapan (President of the Medical Bureau of Lourdes)


1. Mrs Catherine LATAPIE
2. Louis BOURIETTE
3. Mrs Blaisette CAZENAVE
4. Henri BUSQUET
5. Justin BOUHORT
6. Mrs Madelaine RIZAN
7. Marie MOREAU
8. Pierre de RUDDER
9. Joachime DEHANT
10. Elisa SEISSON
11. Sister EUGENIA
12. Sister JULIENNE
13. Sister JOSEPHINE MARIE
14. Amelie CHAGNON
15. Clementine TROUVE
16. Marie LEBRANCHU
17. Marie LEMARCHAND
18. Elisa LESAGE
19. Sister MARIE OF THE PRESENTATION
20. Father CIRETTE
21. Aurelie HUPRELLE
22. Esther BRACHMAN
23. Jeanne TULASNE
24. Clementine MALOT
25. Mrs Rose FRANCOIS
26. Reverend Father SALVATOR, capuchin
27. Sister MAXIMILIEN
28. Marie SAVOYE
29. Mrs Johanna BEZENAC
30. Sister SAINT HILAIRE
31. Sister SAINT BEATRIX
32. Marie-Therese NOBLET
33. Cecile DOUBILLE de FRANSSU
34. Antonia MOULIN
35. Marie BOREL
36. Virginie HAUDEBOURG
37. Mrs Marie BIRE
38. Aimee ALLOPE
39. Juliette ORION
40. Mrs Marie FABRE
41. Henriette BRESSOLLES
42. Lydia BROSSE
43. Sister MARIE MARGUERITE
44. Louise JAMAIN
45. Francis PASCAL
46. Gabrielle CLAUZEL
47. Yvonne FOURNIER
48. Mrs Rose MARTIN
49. Mrs Jeanne GESTAS
50. Marie-Theres CANIN
51. Maddalena CARINI
52. Jeanne FRETEL
53. Thea ANGELE
54. Evasio GANORA
55. Edeltraud FULDA
56. Paul PELLEGRIN
57. Brother Leo SCHWAGER
58. Mrs Alice COUTEAULT
59. Marie BIGOT
60. Mrs Ginette NOUVEL
61. Elisa ALOI
62. Juliette TAMBURINI
63. Vittorio MICHELI
64. Serge PERRIN
65. Miss CIROLLI Delizia
66. Jean-Pierre Bély
67. Anna Santaniello



Miracle Hunter: Lourdes - List of Approved Miracles

But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "This man drives out demons only by the power of Beelzebul, the prince of demons." (Matthew 12:24)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Padre Pio had St Mary appear to him and he also had satan appear to him as St Mary and Padre Pio was able to discern the difference.

If you ever want to know of an apostle of our generation that did works like they did in the Early Church then Padre Pio is a great example. The Holy Spirit was working through him and performing miracles like one would associate with the Apostles.

LLOJ popz bak in

http://www.christianforums.com/t7308343/
St Padre Pio

 

[Rick Otto]

What if Mary appeared to you?

Kinda depends on what she would be wearing & her attitude.

 

[Rick Otto]

performing miracles like one would associate with the Apostles.

I wouldn't make that association so easily.

 

[judechild]

Anyone who tries to communicate with the dead is 'acting' as a medium.

Where in the Bible does it say that that is the definition of a medium? In addition, as we constantly point out, those who have gone to communion with God are not dead, but still alive. Unless, of course, one were to believe that a person ceases to be a memeber of the Body of Christ after their earthly life is over.

Where does The Bible say that Mary is closer to God than we are? I am His child, bought by the blood of Jesus and Jesus told me, in the Bible, to pray to our Father. I don't need to do anything but go straight to Him! How can Mary get a prayer to Him better or faster than I can?

Well, my little brother described it like you wanting to give a friend an apple. If you really love your friend, you might give your apple to his mother, because his mother knows how your friend likes his apples prepared. It's still your gift, but you want it to be given to him in the most perfect way it can.

Also, Mary is Jesus' Mother, of course she and He have a special relationship; even a unique one.

Why would you not just go straight to God yourself?

Would you tell that to a person who asked you for prayer? An Assemblies of God pastor told me that once when I asked him...

 

[judechild]

As to what I would do if Mary appeared to me; I would consider the fruits of the encounter. After all, the devil or a demon cannot appear to a person unless God allows the demon to, so there are a few possibilities:

She may not say anything. In this case, I would be almost certain that the encounter was a true vision or visitation because what would the demon stand to gain by appearing to me and doing nothing? If the fruits of the encounter were to lead me to deeper prayer, or progress in virtue, my certainty would increase further. If these appearances became numerious, and I was of sound mind, I would have to consider why they are occuring, which may be for a variety of reasons.

She may, on the other hand, say something. In this case, I would know if the visitation were legitimate or not by comparison. Because of the Church, I would be able to measure what she says to Divine Revelation; private Revelation is subservient to public Revelation. If the visitation said something contrary to the Faith (such as 'My Son is not God, but only a manifestation of the True God.') I would know the visitation is false. If, however, what she said to me was not contrary to the faith, but merely encouraged me to do something that was good that I had neglected (like 'I want you to stop arguing online so much and devote more of your time to prayer"), I could consider that the visitation was true.

As to what I would actually do as she/it was standing/floated/swimming in front of me; I certainly wouldn't rebuke it (after all, the first words out of Mary's mouth to Gabriel were not 'I rebuke you in the Name of the God of Israel!!!). I would pray and inquire as to why she/it was here with me. Since she was Mary, I would ask also to touch her; since she has a body, I sould be able to feel her physicality.

 

[Deut 5:29]

The Transfiguration.

Not so.
That was a vision.

 

[judechild]

Not so.
That was a vision.

So you say, but you weren't there.

Peter seemed to think they had really come: "'Rabbi, it is good that we are here! Let us make three tents: one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.'"

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip*
Since she was Mary, I would ask also to touch her; since she has a body, I sould be able to feel her physicality.

Don't know if my ole ticker could handle that...I would probably go into cardiac arrest .......