Well then, what happens if one person believes that the Holy Spirit has taught them one thing, but another person believes that the Holy Spirit has taught them something different?
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Well then, what happens if one person believes that the Holy Spirit has taught them one thing, but another person believes that the Holy Spirit has taught them something different?
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Octorock,
The Holy Spirit reminds believers of what Christ taught.
"But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." - John 14:26.
This has been pointed out many times before. The Holy Spirit was poured out, read Acts, and the NT writers record according to the Holy Spirit what Jesus said and did.
So when the NT writers say test the spirits to see if they are from God we do so by the scriptures.
So homosexuality is not from the Holy Spirit as homosexual relations are condemned and excluded.
The Holy Spirit reminds believers of what Christ taught.
"But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." - John 14:26.
This has been pointed out many times before. The Holy Spirit was poured out, read Acts, and the NT writers record according to the Holy Spirit what Jesus said and did.
So when the NT writers say test the spirits to see if they are from God we do so by the scriptures.
So homosexuality is not from the Holy Spirit as homosexual relations are condemned and excluded.
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Personally, I'm tired of the circular logic used in this thread. If anyone wants to continue discussing this with me, they can send me a PM, or engage in any of the several other threads on this topic! But I'm going to have to excuse myself from this thread, because I really feel like I'm wasting my time.
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KCKID,
Why do you ask onemorequestion? Is the NT not addressing all believers?
What does the text say? They are men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, and have turned away from God’s truth.
The passage refers to men who suppress the truth with their wickedness and foolish thinking. The passage then describes what things are done as a result. .. idol worship, same sex relations, envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice, gossiping, slanderering, God-hating, insolent, arrogant and boastful.
Take homosexuality.
It is idol worship especially evident when references to ‘gay Christian’ is made as it makes a sin equal to Christ as an identity.
It is sexual immorality itself.
And the passage also describes how such men invent ways of doing evil, they invent concepts and words such as heterosexual and homosexual which cut across God’s word, and invent monogamous loving homosexual relationships as though there is some sort of exception to the truth.
Why do you ask onemorequestion? Is the NT not addressing all believers?
What does the text say? They are men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, and have turned away from God’s truth.
how come you don’t understand the scripture? They are who the passage says they are, men who suppress the truth of God.
How come you don’t understand what the scripture says? God let them continue with foolish and darkened hearts which suppress the truth of God.
Of course he does, can you not understand it?
The passage refers to men who suppress the truth with their wickedness and foolish thinking. The passage then describes what things are done as a result. .. idol worship, same sex relations, envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice, gossiping, slanderering, God-hating, insolent, arrogant and boastful.
Take homosexuality.
It is idol worship especially evident when references to ‘gay Christian’ is made as it makes a sin equal to Christ as an identity.
It is sexual immorality itself.
And the passage also describes how such men invent ways of doing evil, they invent concepts and words such as heterosexual and homosexual which cut across God’s word, and invent monogamous loving homosexual relationships as though there is some sort of exception to the truth.
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H Octorock,
Its not circular logic, its what the scripture says, according to Christ's teaching His disciples seek to obey His teaching and the Holy Spirit He promised and sent reminds disciples of what He taught.
Simple. Its easy to tell what isnt of the Holy Spirit when it completely contradicts what the Bible consistently says.
Its not circular logic, its what the scripture says, according to Christ's teaching His disciples seek to obey His teaching and the Holy Spirit He promised and sent reminds disciples of what He taught.
Simple. Its easy to tell what isnt of the Holy Spirit when it completely contradicts what the Bible consistently says.
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Jase,
Arsen and koites matches the Leviticus 18 and 20 passages. We can be sure this is the case as the rest of the Bible countenances only man and woman in union, as God’s created purpose, and condemns men abandoning the natural use of women for indecent acts with other men. And of course men wickedly wanting sex with men in the account of Sodom.
All translations I have seen translate arsenokoites as homosexuals/homosexual offenders/men absusers of themselves and sodomites. The meaning is very clear.
really? that’s amazing I had never heard that before ;-)
no, only pro-gay scholars invent that, the Bible translators over the centuries and still today along with the majority of Greek scholars would not agree with your view.
Arsen and koites matches the Leviticus 18 and 20 passages. We can be sure this is the case as the rest of the Bible countenances only man and woman in union, as God’s created purpose, and condemns men abandoning the natural use of women for indecent acts with other men. And of course men wickedly wanting sex with men in the account of Sodom.
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We do have a forum (like other forums) with two worldviews of Christianity, completely divided on the issue of homosexuality, dominating most debates on the issue and with no common ground.
Maybe CF should have three sections,
Maybe CF should have three sections,
- all including non-believers
- Christian
- LGBT Christian
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Opposed to Untruth.
We each grow into our likeness with every moment that passes, so it is natural that every human will display dissimilarities in ethics, personality and beliefs. Once you have accepted Jesus in your life, you are filled with the holy spirit. Until that happens, it will be difficult to understand what the term "holy spirit" means.
Born again Christians have found all the truth we need to be confident that God speaks to us when we read the Bible. Since there is a lot to know if you're talking about God, Christ's spirit inspired all these people over the course of evolution to write and bind the keys to life in the Bible, which "breaths the word of God into the heart of man". You're on one of two sides with God: for and against, and you're crazy to argue with God, just pray about it and look for positive inspiration instead, there's heaps of positive in The Bible.
Christianity (a relationship with The Holy Spirit) is the greatest gift from God: a relationship with Him. If you want to know God, you must be honest what He says to you and repent, turn away from sin and toward Him. When you one day come to meet Him, you'll be able to see the world a bit more as He see's it and you'll never look back at the frightening image of God and His people. Did you read that chapter John 15?
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KCKID,
All your pro-gay argument has done is dispute it all. How about I respond that your views are just anti-Christian and disbelief?
Most of it is scripture. The homosexual views are what the scripture is talking about. Men who abandon the natural use with women and commit indecent acts with men, are men suppressing the truth of God’s word.
All your pro-gay argument has done is dispute it all. How about I respond that your views are just anti-Christian and disbelief?
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Do the SDA's have a version of the Bible that shows us some support or celebration of homosexuality between Christians or the lost?
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The reply was a validation that your views are 100% accurate and in line with the love aspect of a Christian doing what a Christian should do about the lost.
The "pro-gay" argument hinges on 100% worldliness, because it is from the world 100%. What has the liberal position offered in way of evidence for altering scripture? Zero. Everything is based on emotionalism.
And you get: Nuh Uh! As a last resort reply.
You have done well of late in keeping your answers to the subject matter and not been dragged into a personal insult bashfest. I have seen that it is incredibly difficult when prodded and insulted as a hate monger and an idiot because of taking the position that truth is immutable . . . not to respond in kind.
PM me if you ever need support.
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Casting pearls before swine was a parable for just such a reason as yours.
Notice Jesus used scripture to validate His theology time and time again?
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They do don't they? Down in ethics and morality? It is fascinating and fantastic to watch what goes on down there.
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The SDAs use the same Bible versions as you probably do. And, the SDAs are probably just as misled about what the Bible DOES NOT say about homosexuality as you are.
Okay?
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I have proven over and over again, that my positions are not misleading anyone or anything on the issue of engaging in homosexual behavior being inappropriate for a Christian.
I have shown that there is not support from ANY version of the Bible for doing homosexual acts.
For the record.
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But what if your wrong did you ever think of that? Are you so sure that you are prepared to risk eternal life?
You do understand that even if it as you stated is not clear(even though I think its clear) that doesnt mean its not true. Not clear doesnt not equal not stated it just means it wasnt clear to you. Right now you are gambling are you sure you want to gamble with your eternal life?
Also as far as sexual attraction goes how are we born with sexual attraction? Children dont show sexual interests until certain ages of life so you mean to tell me that from the birth gays are gay? When the only thing on my mind was sour patches and thunder cats homosexuals where thinking about same sex relationships?
Also God offers us life..natural life, the end result of homosexuality is death. Seed and seed can not bare off spring it takes a man and a woman.
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Not sure how much debate their can be between someone who asks what the Bible says and a reply that refers to what the Bible doesn’t say
I don’t see how what the Bible doesn’t say can help any Christian who can see what the Bible does say. Can you?
Not sure how much debate their can be between someone who asks what the Bible says and a reply that refers to what the Bible doesn’t say
I don’t see how what the Bible doesn’t say can help any Christian who can see what the Bible does say. Can you?
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What if the liberal position is risking other peoples eternal lives? Jesus DID address that and he condemned it in very direct terms.
In my humblest opinion, preaching a pro-gay position is not a salvation losing endeavor for the misguided preacher of it, unless they show other heretical views attached to it. Maybe the marriage alteration thing to include same gender couples, but even that if left to just the wierder denoms wouldn't necessarily be anti-salvation would it?
It is just one of weakening their position with a solid Church body. Any pro-gay member of my Church is eliminated from ANY leadership or teaching positions, but they are not excommunicated.
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