Abortion

[allhart]

So disagreement is like oppresion now?
I am being oppressed all the time then. As is the rest of the world by the rest of the world.
Honestly though repent or outraged? Does "whatever works for you" fall in either of those?

Tell me of those cases where a christian was murdered for telling people about god in the usa. I highly doubt they exist. Unless it was for believing in the wrong christian god.

But I think we have derailed this thread enough.

If you want to say i used a bad expression o.k. I will give you that, but that doesn't change any of what I have been discussing with you! The moral of the story, you might say lol! This isn't about me....It's about God!

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

John 1

Prologue: Christ, the Eternal Word


1 In the beginning the Word already existed.
The Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
2 He existed in the beginning with God.
3 God created everything through him,
and nothing was created except through him.
4 The Word gave life to everything that was created,
and his life brought light to everyone.
5 The light shines in the darkness,
and the darkness can never extinguish it.

So you agree with me.
all-powerfull God said it. He's therefor his word is law.
Might makes right.

 

[allhart]

So you agree with me.
all-powerfull God said it. He's therefor his word is law.
Might makes right.

God works all thing out for the good, but He doesn't make bad things happen. He allows us to do evil. For the ability to have our love freely! If that is what you are saying, yes i concur! God however is the sustain-er of all life, so in essence takes it!

 

[allhart]

Lets me ask you this, in the laws of nature, Can and does one law super succeeds another? can you take one before the other..... in-like context and be wromg?

 

[allhart]

You where taught Humanity......Meaning if your mother bore you in time square, was that all you need? I don't think so! You needed to be nurtured, warmed, feed, educated, loved and housed. So then does a Christian in the house of God!

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

I think you are confused what laws of nature are.
You say god is good because god says he is good. Interesting position.
the rest of your post I do not understand.
I see no connection between raising a child as a mother and a christian in church. Unless you want to relate it to santaclaus. Then I could see it.

 

[allhart]

I think you are confused what laws of nature are.
You say god is good because god says he is good. Interesting position.
the rest of your post I do not understand.
I see no connection between raising a child as a mother and a christian in church. Unless you want to relate it to santaclaus. Then I could see it.

Rationalization can be a fickle thing! When it comes to people and what they believe and the authority in which it is perceived and given! Like I said earlier intent is prior to content and it takes more faith to believe in what atheist believe in than God. We Christians rationally think about God and the world we live in. Not irrationally as you would like to have it!!! Lator-Gator

 

[Jay217]

I would like to see where it says you can beat your wife in the name of God.

As for The Flood - Everyone has the freedom to make their choice but every choice has a consequence, You have the freedoms of speech and religion however what ever you speak or preech there mayy be those who use their right against you.
Think of it as - Let's say you call a co-worker an inappropiate name at work, you made the choice and the consequence could be anywhere from people agreeing to getting trouble with your boss. you had the free will and now u live with the consequence.

Fit's perfectly with abortion they know what they were doing and if they were 2 consenting adults than there is no reason for them not to pay their consequences for their actions.

Please Exile and allhart please stay to topic, and if you can't encorporate religion into the idea of abortion than don't use it at all there are plenty of better places to put your posts.

 

[Skaloop]

Fit's perfectly with abortion they know what they were doing and if they were 2 consenting adults than there is no reason for them not to pay their consequences for their actions.

They (or, more likely, she) does pay the consequences; the fee for the abortion plus having to go through a medical procedure.

Besides, since when is having a child considered a "consequence" in the pejorative sense?

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

I would like to see where it says you can beat your wife in the name of God.

I would suspect it is based on a certain reading of the bible that most christians today would dismiss in the same way they dismiss the reading of other denominations of christianity.

As for The Flood - Everyone has the freedom to make their choice but every choice has a consequence, You have the freedoms of speech and religion however what ever you speak or preech there mayy be those who use their right against you.

Thats the thing though, the consequence for sin is hell. You cant just randomly change the rules just because you feel like it. Be consistant.

Think of it as - Let's say you call a co-worker an inappropiate name at work, you made the choice and the consequence could be anywhere from people agreeing to getting trouble with your boss. you had the free will and now u live with the consequence.

Fit's perfectly with abortion they know what they were doing and if they were 2 consenting adults than there is no reason for them not to pay their consequences for their actions.

Its a bit like saying. Well you got mugged you knew the chance was there when you left the house stop crying. action and consequence.

While that may apply to "you went into that dark ally alone at night" it does not apply to "in broad daylight with a group taking a hike".
If you have taken every precaution you could reasonably make should you be made to take responsiblity anyway? Or should you have just plain not left the house.

Please Exile and allhart please stay to topic, and if you can't encorporate religion into the idea of abortion than don't use it at all there are plenty of better places to put your posts.

I agree. We should have dropped it pages ago. It is a dead end arguement that just flies off topic and does not further the discussion at all. Probably should have realized that and never started it.

 

[allhart]

I would like to see where it says you can beat your wife in the name of God.

As for The Flood - Everyone has the freedom to make their choice but every choice has a consequence, You have the freedoms of speech and religion however what ever you speak or preech there mayy be those who use their right against you.
Think of it as - Let's say you call a co-worker an inappropiate name at work, you made the choice and the consequence could be anywhere from people agreeing to getting trouble with your boss. you had the free will and now u live with the consequence.

Fit's perfectly with abortion they know what they were doing and if they were 2 consenting adults than there is no reason for them not to pay their consequences for their actions.

Please Exile and allhart please stay to topic, and if you can't encorporate religion into the idea of abortion than don't use it at all there are plenty of better places to put your posts.

The moral of the story and topics that are in debate are "morality and ethics", no? So most of the narrative is based on God, because He is the moral giver in their quest to try to disprove Him in differentiating between right and wrong! Is it going to be laws of men or of God with you people? And as far as the Abortion is concerned.....The womb was set up by God as a sanctuary of human development in the sanctity of marriage and the problem again lies within us, therefore; no one see themselves as evil! And yes Ideas and actions have consequences!

 

[Jay217]

The moral of the story and topics that are in debate are "morality and ethics", no? So most of the narrative is based on God, because He is the moral giver in their quest to try to disprove Him in differentiating between right and wrong! Is it going to be laws of men or of God with you people? And as far as the Abortion is concerned.....The womb was set up by God as a sanctuary of human development in the sanctity of marriage and the problem again lies within us, therefore; no one see themselves as evil! And yes Ideas and actions have consequences!

Now don't get me wrong i agree with what you say and i shouldn't really be defending as this is the christian forums, however - If an atheist believes there is no God than much of your argument makes not determent to them as it is equal to saying that Santa is giving them coal for Christmas.

I like what you say and it is the truth . but dealing with atheists and Christians is like apple and oranges.

I would suspect it is based on a certain reading of the bible that most christians today would dismiss in the same way they dismiss the reading of other denominations of christianity.

Some verses are quite direct - Thou shall not lie with a man as he does with a woman. while some are alot more vague in meaning. - Much of Revelation you can't make a direct time line. However i do doubt that it says anything close to "If thou wife disagrees, she shall be treated as a Gentile" It does say honor your mother and Jesus taught compassion to women and children so i think it's more of a blind finger point due to much of the culture present at the time. "If much of day women had few rights at the time of Jesus i can assume that they are against women being equal to men"

Thats the thing though, the consequence for sin is hell. You cant just randomly change the rules just because you feel like it. Be consistant.

I don't know but i have a feeling they met hell... just a tad sooner

Its a bit like saying. Well you got mugged you knew the chance was there when you left the house stop crying. action and consequence.

While that may apply to "you went into that dark ally alone at night" it does not apply to "in broad daylight with a group taking a hike".
If you have taken every precaution you could reasonably make should you be made to take responsiblity anyway? Or should you have just plain not left the house.

There's even a consequence of staying indoors, you can be come secluded and alone, you can become sick with no contact. Got to deal with the bad as well as the good.

Yes paying the abortion fee is a consequence but it is also forcing the fetus to have a lethal consequence. - You can either bear a child for 9 monthes or pay me and have me kill that child...

I agree. We should have dropped it pages ago. It is a dead end arguement that just flies off topic and does not further the discussion at all. Probably should have realized that and never started it.

Yes i'm kind of sorry for replying to your earlier half of the post... guess it is kind of compelling....