Homosexuality

[addo]

Those that agree with homosexual erotic acts, can they please provide biblical evidence for it?

 

[TheUnwanted]

Those that agree with homosexual erotic acts, can they please provide biblical evidence for it?

Being completely honest... when I see such awkwardly phrased questions, I wonder if the questioner has a really firm idea of what it is they are trying to ask. I understand that in cases where English is a second language, people might get a little cross wired, but honestly... what does "agree with homosexual erotic acts" actually mean?

 

[TheUnwanted]

Fail troll is fail.

 

[Skipton]

TheUnwanted
They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. - Genesis 19.

Same sex relations are wicked

 

[Skipton]

TheUnWanted,
22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
23 " 'Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present - Leviticus 18:22

 

[kiwimac]

TheUnwanted
They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. - Genesis 19.

Same sex relations are wicked

This passage has nothing to do with homosexuality at all. Firstly the strangers weren't human so no 'same sex' relations could occur and secondly this passage has much more to do with gang rape.

 

[kiwimac]

TheUnWanted,
22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
23 " 'Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present - Leviticus 18:22

These verses are a part of the Levitical holiness code and have nothing to do with Christians who are not under the law but under Grace.

 

[TheUnwanted]

This passage has nothing to do with homosexuality at all. Firstly the strangers weren't human so no 'same sex' relations could occur and secondly this passage has much more to do with gang rape.

Thirdly, Christians are released from observance of OT laws under the new covenant... but methinks someone is less interested in actually attempting to understand any other point of view, and more interested in calling people liars.

 

[oi_antz]

Argue against your particular understanding of that one verse, you mean.

Well if there's a few forum junkies waging a war of words, it's hardly an issue I think is worth a war over. As I've said The Holy Spirit does the work of conviction, it is not meant for anyone but Jesus to judge or make up rules for salvation, but you sure are finding it difficult to accept what God says even when it is elaborated by your human friends.

 

[TheUnwanted]

Well if there's a few forum junkies waging a war of words, it's hardly an issue I think is worth a war over. As I've said The Holy Spirit does the work of conviction, it is not meant for anyone but Jesus to judge or make up rules for salvation, but you sure are finding it difficult to accept what God says even when it is elaborated by your human friends.

I have no difficulty accepting what God says.

However, I happily acknowledge that what you THINK he says and what I think he says may be quite dissimilar.

 

[oi_antz]

I have no difficulty accepting what God says.

Huh?

However, I happily acknowledge that what you THINK he says and what I think he says may be quite dissimilar.

That does not reflect the spirit of unity which is The Holy Spirit, every person who has The Holy Spirit accepts everything The Bible says without argument.

You are arguing against passages stating that homosexuality is offensive to His Holiness, are you trying to say that homosexuality pleases our Holy God (which I don't agree with), or that we ought not condemn gay's because that is their current means to have inner peace (which I agree with).

 

[David Brider]

Huh?

That does not reflect the spirit of unity which is The Holy Spirit, every person who has The Holy Spirit accepts everything The Bible says without argument.

And yet Christians disagree about all manner of things (not just this one).

You are arguing against passages stating that homosexuality is offensive to His Holiness...

What do you mean when you use the word "homosexuality"? I suspect that what you mean by it may be somewhat different to what TheUnwanted and/or I would mean by it. It might help if we could all come to a common understanding of what homosexuality is - then we could see for certain whether or not the Bible actually has anything at all to say about it (for example, whether it actually is offensive to God's holiness).

David.

 

[TheUnwanted]

Huh?

That does not reflect the spirit of unity which is The Holy Spirit, every person who has The Holy Spirit accepts everything The Bible says without argument.

Riiiiight.... so... there are so many thousands of denominations of Christianity because...?

You are arguing against passages stating that homosexuality is offensive to His Holiness,

The Pope? I don't think I said anything of the sort, actually. I just commented that not all Christians agree on the meanings of various passages and the thread exploded into people calling me a liar and so on.

are you trying to say that homosexuality pleases our Holy God (which I don't agree with), or that we ought not condemn gay's because that is their current means to have inner peace (which I agree with).

Well since you are now asking me... I don't think homosexuality is either pleasing or displeasing to God. Any more than being black, white, male or female is either pleasing or displeasing to God. Its not the shape of the vessel, its whats inside that counts.

 

[oi_antz]

And yet Christians disagree about all manner of things (not kist this one).



What do you mean when you use the word "homosexuality"? I suspect that what you mean by it may be somewhat different to what TheUnwanted and/or I would mean by it. It might help if we could all come to a common understanding of what homosexuality is - then we could see for certain whether or not the Bible actually has anything at all to say about it (for example, whether it actually is offensive to God's holiness).

David.

Great idea! Didn't we already try this before? I think it is the physical manifestation of physical attraction, that when we see someone lustfully attractive and begin to fantasise, our worship (primary mind) is directed to carnality (ie the creation rather than creator). As stated before I think this applies jointly to heterosexual worship of lust. I've even had Jesus present Himself to correct me after masturbating to a homosexual fantasy, and I am instantly corrected when my eyes lust, so these experiences give me a good understanding of what is expected behaviour of me. Of course not everyone is compelled to nurture the same crop of righteousness as it were, but my current relationship with God does distinctly rebuke homosexual lust and that conviction is the clear revelation of truth direct from The Holy Spirit when I read these verses.

 

[Skipton]

TheUnwanted,

Thirdly, Christians are released from observance of OT laws under the new covenant... but methinks someone is less interested in actually attempting to understand any other point of view, and more interested in calling people liars.

Your opinions are just opinions.
1 John 2 3We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him
1 John 1:10 “If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.”

 

[Skipton]

TheUnwanted,

13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. – Leviticus 20

 

[Skipton]

TheUnwanted,
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. - 1 Corinthians 6

 

[oi_antz]

Riiiiight.... so... there are so many thousands of denominations of Christianity because...?

Some people are not honest about what God says to them and they lie. These are the ones who enter by the wide gate and put little effort into their relationship with God, are often found to be fast to judge others and share their opinion, yet very reluctant to accept God's opinion, and always you will find they argue against something in The Bible.

Its not the shape of the vessel, its whats inside that counts.

That is correct, from within a man comes all things good and evil, we as humans always get to choose which one we bring into the physical realm.

 

[addo]

Being completely honest... when I see such awkwardly phrased questions, I wonder if the questioner has a really firm idea of what it is they are trying to ask. I understand that in cases where English is a second language, people might get a little cross wired, but honestly... what does "agree with homosexual erotic acts" actually mean?

I mean homosexuals that practice homosexual sex, plainly stated. Being homosexual is not a sin. Practicing erotic acts between two persons of the same sex is sin.

Do you have any biblical evidence that two people of the same sex practicing sex (an erotic act) is good, therefore not bad (in the eyes of God)?

 

[Stephen Kendall]

Homosexuality is wrong because God said it is. If you believe in Jesus and the Father, then you can be a real Christian by believing also what they have told you. Living in your cloud of sin isn't faith or belief. You have to step out of it. Will not a living Christ be there for you when you abandon that which the Father said is wrong? If you want to be perfect, which should be the goal of every Christian, then stop sinning and start obeying Jesus Christ.

Have a wonderful day in the Lord.