Science vs. Evolution

[AV1611VET]

Im surprised hes been on this site a long time and hasnt studied the mosaic law or even gotten an idea of it.The regulations set out regarding hygiene were far ahead of its time.

That's the kind of stuff they like to sweep under the carpet.

Such things as sterilization by fire, pest control by not planting crops every seven years, and lie detecting by ceremony are things they like to pretend they don't understand.

 

[Cabal]

That's the kind of stuff they like to sweep under the carpet.

Such things as sterilization by fire, pest control by not planting crops every seven years, and lie detecting by ceremony are things they like to pretend they don't understand.

And not suffering witches to live, "proof" of virginity, longer period of ritual uncleanliness for female offspring, etc.

Oh no, wait, they get swept under the carpet too, but not by your opponents....

 

[interested in life]

Don't worry Art, there was nothing wrong with your answer.

It just won't satisfy some because they have an obvious and fairly feeble prejudice against the notion of science and don't like it when reality fails to match up to their expectations.

Of course, if it weren't for science, these people wouldn't have such an effective means to air their views to begin with, but such is life.

Wow whats with these guys feeling that because they didnt come from monkeys,that we are a threat to scientific advancement?
I think this monkey to man movement is actually a religion.

 

[AV1611VET]

Of course, if it weren't for science, these people wouldn't have such an effective means to air their views to begin with, but such is life.

That's right, and where did science come from in the first place?

Did God give you the hardware (oxygen, etc.) and the brains, so you could build an Internet with which to mock Him?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Art, I'll ask you again.

You gave me three scenarios from your background:

1. The Catholic Church taught creationism as fact.
2. High school said it was your choice to believe it.
3. Your biology lecturer said you need not believe it.

... and in none were you told you were brain dead?

No, in no instance was I was ridiculed for holding a particular position. I should also mention that I attended a Catholic high school and discussions on Creation and evolution were based on the Catholic (in particular, Papal) response to evolutionary theory.

So where did these guys learn to mock us like they do?

The mockery comes as a response to those who wish to foist Creationism into Science classes as though it were a scientific theory equal to evolutionary theory. I don't think anyone minds if a Creationist believes in Creationism, but people become irritated when they pretend that it's co-equally scientific as evolution. That is, they pretend that Creationism is a genuine science.

 

[interested in life]

That's the kind of stuff they like to sweep under the carpet.

Such things as sterilization by fire, pest control by not planting crops every seven years, and lie detecting by ceremony are things they like to pretend they don't understand.

Not one of them addressed my last post regarding soft tissue and cranial capacity.We are just a threat to advancement.Feels like ive entered the temple of doom.Look at the hysteria!We are trying to take them back to the stone age!

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Not one of them addressed my last post regarding soft tissue and cranial capacity.We are just a threat to advancement.Feels like ive entered the temple of doom.

I did address it:

I'm not understanding the point you're trying to put forward here. You did point out that cranial capacity isn't a guarantee of increasing intelligence, but neocortical volume is. In fact, neocortical volume is what matters when it comes to most of the characteristics we regard as fundamentally 'human'. Using Dunbar's equation and data on the size of networks in early hominids we can calculate their relative neocortical volume without actually accessing their physical (now, long decayed) brains. When we combine this with data on cranial capacity we can calculate the ratio of neocortex to sub-cortical cerebrum in early hominids.​

 

[Cabal]

Wow whats with these guys feeling that because they didnt come from monkeys,that we are a threat to scientific advancement?

The question you should be asking is why is the notion of coming from monkeys such a threat to those who believe otherwise. Some of the attempts to denigrate science on this board from YECs have been truly pathetic.

I think this monkey to man movement is actually a religion.

Think what you like - you'd be wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think this monkey to man movement is actually a religion.

I think you're right.

Specifically, it's called scientism -- a form of nature worship.

Paul warned that believing in nature over the written Word would lead to atheism for some -- and that's exactly what happens.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

 

[Cabal]

That's right, and where did science come from in the first place?

So why do you have such a problem with it that you feel the need to post pathetic attacks on it? Not even specified attacks, generalised attacks. Again, this doesn't fly with you saying "gift from God" one minute and unilaterally declaring us all to be dishonest or whatever the next.

Did God give you the hardware (oxygen, etc.) and the brains, so you could build an Internet with which to mock Him?

Who says I mock Him? I might take those who place an excessive stock in their flawed personal interpretations to task - but of course, that is not the same thing, now is it?

 

[interested in life]

I did address it:

I'm not understanding the point you're trying to put forward here. You did point out that cranial capacity isn't a guarantee of increasing intelligence, but neocortical volume is. In fact, neocortical volume is what matters when it comes to most of the characteristics we regard as fundamentally 'human'. Using Dunbar's equation and data on the size of networks in early hominids we can calculate their relative neocortical volume without actually accessing their physical (now, long decayed) brains. When we combine this with data on cranial capacity we can calculate the ratio of neocortex to sub-cortical cerebrum in early hominids.
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Direct contradiction of what you said about soft tissue.You simply cant measure intelligence by skull size.Simple as that.Any attempt to is more reliant on prejudices of the scientist.This is what paleontology is.

 

[AV1611VET]

The mockery comes as a response to those who wish to foist Creationism into Science classes as though it were a scientific theory equal to evolutionary theory. I don't think anyone minds if a Creationist believes in Creationism, but people become irritated when they pretend that it's co-equally scientific as evolution. That is, they pretend that Creationism is a genuine science.

I'm living proof that this isn't so.

I'm on record as saying that creationism should not be taught in science class, and I still get ridiculed.

Try again.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not one of them addressed my last post regarding soft tissue and cranial capacity.We are just a threat to advancement.Feels like ive entered the temple of doom.Look at the hysteria!We are trying to take them back to the stone age!

Ya -- I get that a lot as well.

They think that you can't be a true Christian unless you live in a cave or something; but that's because they refuse to believe that those who worshipped the LORD back then reaped the advantages of state-of-the-art technology.

 

[tanzanos]

That's the kind of stuff they like to sweep under the carpet.

Such things as sterilization by fire, pest control by not planting crops every seven years, and lie detecting by ceremony are things they like to pretend they don't understand.

Now where did I see microbes mentioned in the scriptures?

 

[interested in life]

Ya -- I get that a lot as well.

They think that you can't be a true Christian unless you live in a cave or something; but that's because they refuse to believe that those who worshipped the LORD back then reaped the advantages of state-of-the-art technology.

i admire your patience.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Direct contradiction of what you said about soft tissue.You simply cant measure intelligence by skull size.Simple as that.Any attempt to is more reliant on prejudices of the scientist.

It's not a direct contradiction. I explained it to you. We can get around the problem of not having direct access to the soft tissue of early hominids. One way is to input mean group size into Dunbar's equation and thereby calculate approximate neocortical volume (since, as I've said, neocortical volume is positively correlated with mean group size). Then, using data on cranial capacity we can work out a ratio of neocortical volume to sub-cortical volume. We don't need to observe the soft tissue directly to make inferences about it. We can make inferences about it by using the data that is available to us. Data on mean group size in early hominids, Dunbar's equation, and data on cranial capacity of the early hominids that we are studying.

 

[AV1611VET]

Now where did I see microbes mentioned in the scriptures?

That's the thing -- they didn't need to have knowledge of microbes to live [what is probably] healthier lives than we do today.

 

[interested in life]

Now where did I see microbes mentioned in the scriptures?

Hygiene.

 

[AV1611VET]

i admire your patience.

Thank you -- God bless!

Ditto to you as well, and welcome to the front lines!

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I'm living proof that this isn't so.

I'm on record as saying that creationism should not be taught in science class, and I still get ridiculed.

Try again.

I could take it guess... it might have something to do with 'Science can take a hike' line. I've never been ridiculed for believing in evolution, except by Creationists on these forums.