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On the Bizarro world WoF maybe.Making money isn't WoF. "God needs me rich" is WoF.
But here in reality land planet earth, WoF teaches the Biblical position on prosperity.
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On the Bizarro world WoF maybe.Making money isn't WoF. "God needs me rich" is WoF.
I was in a church with a WOF pastor, a big shot from Rhema South Africa for seven years. Unfortunately that was how WOF was presented: formulas, pyramid schemes, striving, double-speak aka positive confession, name-it-and-claim-it.
Nothing about stewardship, wisdom, saving, budgeting etc.
You'll have to face up to the fact that for many people, that is how WOF has been presented to them.
I'm perfectly willing to listen to alternative WOFs, but I'm telling you, that was how WOF was presented to me.
From my experience I don't look on Stewardship or 'God wants to bless you' teachings as WOF. I look on people selling anointed prosperity daffodils or figurines as WOF, 100 fold returns, telecons etc.
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so the Lord's pray is Jesus talking to himself? and I said it's a miss quote of Christ.One of the above DID say it; Wesley. That's why he's included in the poll.
Jesus didn't say anything like that, so Wesley can't have misquoted him.
Jesus didn't say it was wrong to have money, obviously, as he needed it sometimes. He taught that it was wrong to put money, or love of money, before God. He said that we can't serve both God and money, (and it was clear that we should put God and his kingdom first), and
urged us not to store up earthly riches at the expense of heavenly treasure, (Wesley preached a sermon on that also.)
The widow was an example of someone who DID put God first; she gave all she had, and was commended by Jesus for her committment.
On the Bizarro world WoF maybe.
But here in reality land planet earth, WoF teaches the Biblical position on prosperity.
so what the Lord's pray Jesus talking to himself?
and I said it's a miss quote of Christ.
This is the problem with man. A man let say John Wesley is a pastor speaking on behalf of God. And yet say's something that is not part of the nature of the one He say's he is speaking for is a belief of his. I was being nice when I said miss quote, It's a doctrine or teaching of demons and not God. For Jesus the example made it plan in His teaching that "All things are from God and to His glory." there by it is a miss quote of or understanding of the nature of God and brings condemnation upon anybody that doesn't practice or believe thats it's right nature of God.What?
I know you did.
A MISquote, is when you quote someone, but quote them incorrectly.
Jesus didn't say, earn all you can, save all you can, give all you can - so he has not been quoted at all, never mind incorrectly.
If Jesus HAD said that, and Wesley had said, 'Jesus said, "earn all you can and save most of it for yourself",' THAT would be a misquote.
This is the problem with man. A man let say John Wesley is a pastor speaking on behalf of God. And yet say's something that is not part of the nature of the one He say's he is speaking for is a belief of his.
I was being nice when I said miss quote, It's a doctrine or teaching of demons and not God. For Jesus the example made it plan in His teaching that "All things are from God and to His glory." there by it is a miss quote of or understanding of the nature of God and brings condemnation upon anybody that doesn't practice or believe thats it's right nature of God.
Yep the usual anti-wof wolves.Can't believe I've just wasted five minutes of my life Reading this thread! The same old people making the same old arguments! Hope the main wof forum is up and running soon and I can steer clear of this drivel!
(not directing that to you Balance, was a good op but has been taken over by the usual arguments!)
Why did we get into WOF anyway?
The OP said he just wanted to know who had said something. Maybe he had another agenda, or maybe I missed something?
I'd far rather talk about John Wesley.
The OP was an attempt to paint Wesley as WOF. The follow up post by the original poster made this clear.
Was John Wesley a preacher or pastor or not?
I have only said God is in control of the money and the man and not the man. Which is something Wesley left out.
Lord thy ask "was it his sin or his mother and father sin that made him blind" "Neither it was for the glory of God." I wonder what price the man had on his blindness. Or what price did he have on his sight. I wonder how long he saved up for that event.
He gained his wealth from the hymns he wrote
He was up every morning for hours studying in the Greek text.
1. That all things come from God is not in the OP of this thread.
2. And as for my understanding of John Wesley you error greatly on what I know and have read on the man.
3. But the OP is the subject of this thread.
1. that's the point God was left out of the list.1. No, but you were the one who brought it up
2. I am not assuming you know, or don't know, anything about Wesley. I've tried to answer the questions you asked about him. But it is a fact that if you had read his sermons, you wouldn't have needed to ask if he was a preacher.
3. I know. But it was you who said that none or the people listed in the poll said the word, earn all you can, save all you can, give all you can. That is incorrect. John Wesley said them.
Actually, the OP was very simple - the question was, who said those words, and we've given the answer. I don't quite see how it's lead to all this discussion about WOF and Wesley's theology.