sabbath for Jews and Gentiles

[mrasell]

I believe both Jews and Gentiles need to observe the Sabbath because it was given at Creation to Adam and Eve. I've written a book called "Nehemiah the Sabbath Reformer" which has a deep spiritual lesson about how God's people need to reform the Sabbath.

God Bless

Marc Rasell

 

[visionary]

reform the sabbath?

 

[mrasell]

In Nehemiah's day people were trading on the Sabbath.

 

[ChavaK]

I believe both Jews and Gentiles need to observe the Sabbath because it was given at Creation to Adam and Eve. I've written a book called "Nehemiah the Sabbath Reformer" which has a deep spiritual lesson about how God's people need to reform the Sabbath.

God Bless

Marc Rasell

Where does it say shabbas was given to Adam and Eve, and where does it say we are to observe it?

Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 2

1. Now the heavens and the earth were completed and all their host. 2. And God completed on the seventh day His work that He did, and He abstained on the seventh day from all His work that He did.
3. And God blessed the seventh day and He hallowed it, for thereon He abstained from all His work that God created to do.

This says nothing about giving shabbas or commanding it's observance-
it says G-d abstained from His work and hallowed it, but it says nothing
about Adam and Eve (or anyone else for that matter) observing shabbas.
What does "He hallowed it" mean? For Himself, for mankind even though that is not what the text states?

Just curious about your interpretation.

 

[Lulav]

Chavak, I am confused on this question of yours

What does "He hallowed it" mean? For Himself, for mankind even though that is not what the text states?

could you reword it so I understand what you are asking? I understand the first sentence but when taken with the second it is unclear.

thanks and Shabbat Shalom!

 

[visionary]

of those here.. all shabbat keepers... why is there any question as to Adam and Eve also keeping it... It was given to mankind even if it is directly written by Moses stating so. Should we all believe that to be true.. at least amongst the shabbat keepers... aka in this case, Jewish, Messianic, and SDA

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/carlebach-shabbos/

 

[mrasell]

Where does it say shabbas was given to Adam and Eve, and where does it say we are to observe it?



This says nothing about giving shabbas or commanding it's observance-
it says G-d abstained from His work and hallowed it, but it says nothing
about Adam and Eve (or anyone else for that matter) observing shabbas.
What does "He hallowed it" mean? For Himself, for mankind even though that is not what the text states?

Just curious about your interpretation.

To hallow means to set apart as holy. Just as Aaron was set apart for the priesthood, or the articles of the sanctuary were set apart for holy use, so the seventh day was set apart.
The fact that the Partiarchs had a seven day week (Jacob's marriage lasted a week), shows they observed the Sabbath.
Not all ordinances were recorded, we know Abraham paid tithe, and kept God's commandments (Gen. 26:5).

God Bless

Marc

 

[Lulav]

To hallow means to set apart as holy. Just as Aaron was set apart for the priesthood, or the articles of the sanctuary were set apart for holy use, so the seventh day was set apart.
The fact that the Partiarchs had a seven day week (Jacob's marriage lasted a week), shows they observed the Sabbath.
Not all ordinances were recorded, we know Abraham paid tithe, and kept God's commandments (Gen. 26:5).

God Bless

Marc

Shalom Marc. I don't think Chavak was asking what it meant, I was asking her what she meant by her question. I am sure that Chavak knows what Hallowed means as well as the other members of this forum.

I am not understanding where you believe that the wedding week means they were keeping the Sabbath set apart?

I'm sure Adam and Eve would have been aware of the Sabbath as they would have been present. But what do you do about after the flood? There are no Sabbath references there, although many cultures that came from Noah did also have a seven day week. The Moon cycle is also based on sevens, so is s woman's cycle.

 

[visionary]

Shalom Marc. I don't think Chavak was asking what it meant, I was asking her what she meant by her question. I am sure that Chavak knows what Hallowed means as well as the other members of this forum.

I am not understanding where you believe that the wedding week means they were keeping the Sabbath set apart?

I'm sure Adam and Eve would have been aware of the Sabbath as they would have been present. But what do you do about after the flood? There are no Sabbath references there, although many cultures that came from Noah did also have a seven day week. The Moon cycle is also based on sevens, so is s woman's cycle.

Even the languages of the world.. all take offs from Babel... have "shabbat" or some variation close to it defining the sabbath.. seventh day of the week...

 

[ContraMundum]

Even the languages of the world.. all take offs from Babel... have "shabbat" or some variation close to it defining the sabbath.. seventh day of the week...

Where did you hear that?

 

[visionary]

What Day Is The Sabbath - Is The Sabbath Saturday Or Sunday

 

[ContraMundum]

What Day Is The Sabbath - Is The Sabbath Saturday Or Sunday

Ummm....ok then.

It stands to reason that ancient near-Eastern languages are similar, being all based on an earlier language heritage (eg. Hebrew is one language of many ancient near-eastern languages that have similar root words- to use a similar root word for "rest" doesn't prove much. After all, "Sabbath" and its derivatives simply mean "rest". In and of itself it has absolutely no religious meaning and was used in common language in many ways and settings) but the post-Latin languages adopted the Hebraic term with the spread of Christianity, they did not receive it from Noah or whatever this guy is trying to prove. I don't find that argument very convincing or academically sound. I'm sorry Vis, I know it means a lot to you so take my words with a grain of salt.

 

[visionary]

even in isolated languages...

Isolated Languages—

Wolof (Sengambia, W Africa) Alere-asser or Last Day - Sabbath

Fulah (W Africa) Essibt or The Sabbath

Mandingo (South of Senegal, W Africa) Sibiti or Sabbath

Teda (Central Africa) Essebdu or The Sabbath

Bornu or Kanuri (Central Africa) Sibda or Sabbath

Fulfulde (Central Africa) Assebdu or Sabbath

Sonyal (Central Africa) Assebdu or Sabbath

Logone (Central Africa) Se-sibde or Sabbath

Wandals (Central Africa) Sidba or Sabbath

Bagrimma (Central Africa) Sibbedi or Sabbath

Maba (Central Africa) Sab. or Sabbath

 

[Lulav]

Even the languages of the world.. all take offs from Babel... have "shabbat" or some variation close to it defining the sabbath.. seventh day of the week...

Yes, linguistically it's very hard to deny. Yet some still try.

 

[Lulav]

Ummm....ok then.

It stands to reason that ancient near-Eastern languages are similar, being all based on an earlier language heritage (eg. Hebrew is one language of many ancient near-eastern languages that have similar root words- to use a similar root word for "rest" doesn't prove much. After all, "Sabbath" and its derivatives simply mean "rest". In and of itself it has absolutely no religious meaning and was used in common language in many ways and settings) but the post-Latin languages adopted the Hebraic term with the spread of Christianity, they did not receive it from Noah or whatever this guy is trying to prove. I don't find that argument very convincing or academically sound. I'm sorry Vis, I know it means a lot to you so take my words with a grain of salt.

Didn't read the link or see your post until now. But one must pose the question, why would a group of separated people have one day in the week that means rest?

 

[mrasell]

Shalom Marc. I don't think Chavak was asking what it meant, I was asking her what she meant by her question. I am sure that Chavak knows what Hallowed means as well as the other members of this forum.

I am not understanding where you believe that the wedding week means they were keeping the Sabbath set apart?

I'm sure Adam and Eve would have been aware of the Sabbath as they would have been present. But what do you do about after the flood? There are no Sabbath references there, although many cultures that came from Noah did also have a seven day week. The Moon cycle is also based on sevens, so is s woman's cycle.

The weekly cycle implies they must have been keeping the Sabbath, otherwise why have a 7 day week? Some commandments were given which were not recorded, Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek, and kept God's commandments (Gen. 26:5).

Noah sent out the dove every seven days, implying a weekly cycle.

The weekly cycle does not fit into the lunar cycle, as astronomers can confirm.

Shalom

Marc

 

[ContraMundum]

Didn't read the link or see your post until now. But one must pose the question, why would a group of separated people have one day in the week that means rest?

I don't think they do.

 

[ContraMundum]

even in isolated languages...

Isolated Languages—

Wolof (Sengambia, W Africa) Alere-asser or Last Day - Sabbath

Fulah (W Africa) Essibt or The Sabbath

Mandingo (South of Senegal, W Africa) Sibiti or Sabbath

Teda (Central Africa) Essebdu or The Sabbath

Bornu or Kanuri (Central Africa) Sibda or Sabbath

Fulfulde (Central Africa) Assebdu or Sabbath

Sonyal (Central Africa) Assebdu or Sabbath

Logone (Central Africa) Se-sibde or Sabbath

Wandals (Central Africa) Sidba or Sabbath

Bagrimma (Central Africa) Sibbedi or Sabbath

Maba (Central Africa) Sab. or Sabbath

Same family group, Vis. Do the research yourself- from neutral linguistic sources, not religious sources with agendas.

Interesting, none of the pre-Latin European, Asian, Australasian, Oceanic, the vast bulk of the African or American languages (the bulk of the world's population) have any such word or even concept of resting on the last day of the week- yet all of them have flood mythology similar to the Bible version. Would this fact not prove the testimony of the Jews that keeping Shabbos is a sign for Israel alone given direct from God and yet all mankind is a son of Noah?

 

[Lulav]

Same family group, Vis. Do the research yourself- from neutral linguistic sources, not religious sources with agendas.

Interesting, none of the pre-Latin European, Asian, Australasian, Oceanic, the vast bulk of the African or American languages (the bulk of the world's population) have any such word or even concept of resting on the last day of the week- yet all of them have flood mythology similar to the Bible version. Would this fact not prove the testimony of the Jews that keeping Shabbos is a sign for Israel alone given direct from God and yet all mankind is a son of Noah?

I noticed that they were all from the same continent. But many source mankind starting in the area of Africa which I believe to some extent as Africa was part of what is now Asia before the separation of the continents in Pelegs time which was after the flood.

Anyway I remember looking into this awhile back and remembered that one of the 'Romance languages' had a similar word. Took Spanish back in private school in only second grade so it was soooooooooooooooooooooo long ago I had to go look it up again, but my recollection was correct, surprise!

other language words for Saturday or the seventh day

Spanish -sábado
French - Samedi
Italian - sabado

Ukranian -subota
Greek - Savvato ( bet and vet interchanged?)
Persian or Farsi - Shaenbe

Just a few I've looked into. These all display the phonetic sound of Shabbat. I think it is more about sound than spelling. Man communicated more (in all history until today) by speaking than by writing. I am still trying to look into the most ancient character in Chinese to see what they have. There are symbols even for Noah as well as the garden and the snake in the garden.

Others may not have been keeping it but all should have been aware of it since it is part of the creation story. But I agree that HaShem gave it as a special gift to his people to designate who he was among all the false gods. I don't think that the other religions had one G-d who was all in all and created everything, that is what sets him apart. At least one thing and that one thing is reiterated every seven days.

I realize this isn't an extensive study by any means but there is some prove of knowing of it's existence, and of G-d so that is what is important to me.

 

[visionary]

If we believe the biblical account and also believe that God has not changed since the beginning... and that Israel is to be a priests among the nations of the world teaching the oracles of God... Then the Sabbath was there in the beginning, and all mankind were sabbath keepers...

By the flood, Noah was one of the few who remained faithful.... by the time of the tower of Babel the corruption had against so invaded the world of people that God's truth was getting pushed aside again..... it is a deplorable cycle of smearing, covering, deluding, desecrating all that is God's... and then God narrows it down to just one nation.. to be keepers of the oracles of God... not that they were a whole lot better... but at least the Word of God is preserved for all generations to read and know the truth..

But even that is being smeared by those who claim to believe and yet will only believe just a little to justify their interpretation.... rather than see a long line of continual faith from beginning to end... God has always had a remnant.. will always have one.. and they will always shine forth as His...