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Why Should I Go To Church?

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Do you deny the HS to all believers? Or that the Spirit of Christ is also the Holy Spirit? I have my facts straight. Going to church or not is not a prerequisite of the Holy Spirit. Neither is the laying on of hands as your suggesting or a facsimily of it.

The Churches express a difference in being 'led by' The Holy Spirit from the outside.

Psa 118:22 The stone [which] the builders refused is become the head [stone] of the corner.


According to the liturgy in all the Apostolic churches, the cornerstone is Christ God the man.

Do you disagree with The Holy Spirit that is found in ALL of the Apostolic Churches? Have they all fallen away, and are now devoid of The Holy Spirit?

Really?

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The Churches express a difference in being 'led by' The Holy Spirit from the outside.

Psa 118:22 The stone [which] the builders refused is become the head [stone] of the corner.


According to the liturgy in all the Apostolic churches, the cornerstone is Christ God the man.

Do you disagree with The Holy Spirit that is found in ALL of the Apostolic Churches? Have they all fallen away, and are now devoid of The Holy Spirit?

Really?

Forgive me...
I have no idea what your getting at....you think that God can't function w/o the church. So did the Pharisees think that about God's temple. But He proved them wrong. And they had the law and the prophets backing them...well, the law anyway.
 
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We are all individual cells in the body of Christ. A cell can't function as designed unless it is part of the greater organism.
Universally we are all a part of the greater body of God. It's a shame that the world is cancerous and that certain parts need to be cut off every once in awhile.
 
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I have no idea what your getting at....you think that God can't function w/o the church. So did the Pharisees think that about God's temple. But He proved them wrong. And they had the law and the prophets backing them...well, the law anyway.
And proved to His Disciples He was right :wave:

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus coming-out, He went from the Temple, and toward-came the Disciples of Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple

Luke 21:5 And certain saying about the Temple that to stones ideal and devoted-things/ana-qhmasin <334> it hath been adorned/kekosmhtai <2885> (5769) He said.......

Reve 19:3 And a second-time they have declared "allelouia and the Smoke of Her is ascending into the Ages of the Ages".
 
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LOL...thats the truth! I"m finding this thread actually quite amusing........everyone thinking that they are the only real christians and everyone else is swine. It's funny and sad at the same time. And people wonder why I just keep to myself. ;)

Yep . And then , you have the people quoting the Law of not forsaking the assembling together of christians when they themselves violate their vey command for obtaining righteousness . By only meeting with their own club , they forsake the meetings of other christians - sometimes those closer than the their own club . They say that you can;'t be an island when they are on their own islands deliberately seperating themselves from others and not meeting with them .

And , if you happen to attempt to meet with one club one time and another another time to meet with a variety of fellow christians , they call you a "church hopper" because it is a sin to meet with as many christians as you can .
 
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I have no idea what your getting at....you think that God can't function w/o the church. So did the Pharisees think that about God's temple. But He proved them wrong. And they had the law and the prophets backing them...well, the law anyway.


You said....

You trip over the building blocks because you can't find the cornerstone of the church, which is the Holy Spirit

I said that's not what the liturgy and the psalms teach about the cornerstone... that the cornerstone is Christ Jesus not the Holy Spirit which is an altogether different person of the trinity.

See... you missed something by not being at Church.

Forgive me...
 
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You said....



I said that's not what the liturgy and the psalms teach about the cornerstone... that the cornerstone is Christ Jesus not the Holy Spirit which is an altogether different person of the trinity.

See... you missed something by not being at Church.

Forgive me...
I missed your smug face, that's about it. :doh:
 
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I could talk about the Divine Liturgy all day long.... but to a person who has never cared to attend... they wouldn't have the first clue as to what I was talking about.

Forgive me...
 
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I could talk about the Divine Liturgy all day long.... but to a person who has never cared to attend... they wouldn't have the first clue as to what I was talking about.

Forgive me...
Just because a person uses a different lingo to say the same thing is no reason to think they aren't as familiar with or moreso than you are.
 
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Hmm. Interesting post, New Wineskin.

I used to think a lot like that myself. I wasn't too concerned with where I went to church as long as they were preaching from the bible and the music was good.

Then I was led to discover how corporate worship was not about me and my preferences at all, but about God coming to me and serving me with his Word and Sacraments. I learned the importance of sharing a common confession of faith with those with whom you commune, and how right doctrine is so much more important than emotions or feelings.

If there were an important event such as a wedding or a funeral I would gladly attend another church, but for worship I only want to go where I have no doubt that the Word of Truth is being properly divided and the Sacraments are being properly administered.
 
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Just because a person uses a different lingo to say the same thing is no reason to think they aren't as familiar with or moreso than you are.

Who do the 'thieves' represent in the parable of the Good Samaritan?

We would miss that by not being in Church too...

How about the name of the women at the well or the name of the good thief crucified with Christ? Well... maybe that's not important...

But how about the important stuff? Stuff that you would never know unless you attend the Liturgy.

Forgive me...
 
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Hmm. Interesting post, New Wineskin.

I used to think a lot like that myself. I wasn't too concerned with where I went to church as long as they were preaching from the bible and the music was good.

Then I was led to discover how corporate worship was not about me and my preferences at all, but about God coming to me and serving me with his Word and Sacraments. I learned the importance of sharing a common confession of faith with those with whom you commune, and how right doctrine is so much more important than emotions or feelings.

If there were an important event such as a wedding or a funeral I would gladly attend another church, but for worship I only want to go where I have no doubt that the Word of Truth is being properly divided and the Sacraments are being properly administered.

Having been with a liturgical group , I understand from where you are coming .

I now see worship as being between myself and the Lord - others near me are not necessary and even distracting - not to mention that most have people who pick what to worship and how long .

With respect to doctrine , I have come to see that there is very little doctrine of any importance . And , with respect to the "word of truth" ( ie the gospel ) , I am already a Christian and know the gospel - no need to divide , multiply , add , or subtract the Gospel . It is good the way it is .

But , like I wrote , I know from where you are coming .
 
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Who do the 'thieves' represent in the parable of the Good Samaritan?

We would miss that by not being in Church too...

How about the name of the women at the well or the name of the good thief crucified with Christ? Well... maybe that's not important...

But how about the important stuff? Stuff that you would never know unless you attend the Liturgy.

Forgive me...
Beware also the robbers :thumbsup:

Matthew 21:13 And He is saying unto them "It has been written 'My House a House of prayer shall be being called, ye yet it are making a den/cave of robbers/lhstwn <3027> .'"
[Jeremiah 7:11/Daniel 11:14]

Luke 10:30 Taking up yet the Jesus said, "A certain Man descended from Jerusalem/ierou-salhm <2419> unto Jericho/iericw <2410>, and to robbers falling about who also stripping him and blows/plhgaV <4127> placing upon came away leaving half dead .

Revelation 14:11 And the Smoke of the tormenting of them is ascending into Ages to-Ages..........
[Luke 16:24,26]
 
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Yep . And then , you have the people quoting the Law of not forsaking the assembling together of christians when they themselves violate their vey command for obtaining righteousness . By only meeting with their own club , they forsake the meetings of other christians - sometimes those closer than the their own club . They say that you can;'t be an island when they are on their own islands deliberately seperating themselves from others and not meeting with them .

And , if you happen to attempt to meet with one club one time and another another time to meet with a variety of fellow christians , they call you a "church hopper" because it is a sin to meet with as many christians as you can .

Scriptures provides an excellent example of the body of Christ fellowshipping together as one unit. It shows that those who were in a certain region worshipped together. We see that in Corinth, Thessaloniaca, Philippi, Athens, etc. 1 and 2 Corinthians gives us a glimpse of a group of people who were having many difficulties in their worship. Apostle Paul addressed many of the issues, one of which was division

1 Corinthians 1:10-16 (only quoting 2 verses)
I appeal to you brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree and that there be no division among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there has been quarreling among you, my brothers...​

These verses are showing that this is a body that is worshiping (or dividing). They must be the same people.

Look at the way Paul is addressing other congregations. Praising many churches then have to correct others, why would he waste his time correcting other churches if they are not having the same consistent people worshiping together?

The church function in such a way that you need a tight knit group of Christians for it to work. Paul asked Timothy to go back to his congregation and appoint Elders and Deacons, those guys had to meet certain qualifications before they were appointed. Again, you would need to know the characters of these men to appoint them, it takes time to get to know someone. We are to teach each other, that takes time. There are so many more things that Christ ask us to do that we need to spend time together to get that accomplished.

And for people saying that one is a "church hopper" I don't hear that being said, but I don't understand how one can be effective in the Lord's church, if they go from church to church but not contributing to the work that is going on with the church at the congregation. Yes, we can go visit each other, but how often do we stay and fellowship with that group and go and help out where they need it, if all we are doing is meeting them one time? Don't get me wrong, scripture also show that the apostles and those who were with them were going from place to place strengthening the church. Macedonia sent gifts to other churches who were in need. Yes, we should go out and visit with each other, but we do have a responsibility to a "home" congregation. :)
 
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Hmm. Interesting post, New Wineskin.

I used to think a lot like that myself. I wasn't too concerned with where I went to church as long as they were preaching from the bible and the music was good.

Then I was led to discover how corporate worship was not about me and my preferences at all, but about God coming to me and serving me with his Word and Sacraments. I learned the importance of sharing a common confession of faith with those with whom you commune, and how right doctrine is so much more important than emotions or feelings.

If there were an important event such as a wedding or a funeral I would gladly attend another church, but for worship I only want to go where I have no doubt that the Word of Truth is being properly divided and the Sacraments are being properly administered.
:thumbsup: :)
 
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I believe that going to an assembly comes from a deep love of wanting to hear the Word preached. To fellowship with other believers and pray for one another. I don't get into the politics of a church but I sure do love to hear the word Preached and to gather with other believers and fellowship. Knowing where ministry is needed so that I may serve in the body.
 
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