"for I am having 5 brothers...." Luke 16:28

[LittleLambofJesus]

I read thru a commentary some years back when I started translating this parable in Luke 16 and came across the 5 brothers mentioned.

How do others view these or who they are symbolizing?

According to the MJ commentary below, it was symbolizing the House/Nation of Judah.

Luke 16:28" For I am having Five Brothers that he may be testifying to them, that no also they may be coming into the place, this, of the torment".

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

*snip*

Yielding himself to his destiny, the rich man asks one more thing of his forefather Abraham. He pleads with him to send someone to warn his brothers, so that they may escape "this place of torment" (basanou), the testing and punishment that he was undergoing.

The fact that the rich man has five brothers is a vital clue to his true symbolic identity. Judah, the progenitor of the Jews, was the son of Jacob through Leah (Gen. 29:35). He had five full-blooded brothers: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, and Zebulun (Gen. 35:23).

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Christ was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who He was referring to with this parable. This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the house of Judah, the Jews!

 

[1whirlwind]

I read thru a commentary some years back when I started translating this parable in Luke 16 and came across the 5 brothers mentioned.

How do others view these or who they are symbolizing?

According to the MJ commentary below, it was symbolizing the House/Nation of Judah.

Luke 16:28" For I am having Five Brothers that he may be testifying to them, that no also they may be coming into the place, this, of the torment".

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

*snip*

Yielding himself to his destiny, the rich man asks one more thing of his forefather Abraham. He pleads with him to send someone to warn his brothers, so that they may escape "this place of torment" (basanou), the testing and punishment that he was undergoing.

The fact that the rich man has five brothers is a vital clue to his true symbolic identity. Judah, the progenitor of the Jews, was the son of Jacob through Leah (Gen. 29:35). He had five full-blooded brothers: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, and Zebulun (Gen. 35:23).

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Christ was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who He was referring to with this parable. This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the house of Judah, the Jews!

Matthew 25:1-3 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Matthew 25:1-3 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

Ahhh thanks for that!

I can relate that to the Passover in Exodus 12.........

Matt 25:10 Of coming away yet of them to purchase, came the Bridegroom and the prepared ones entered with Him into the marriage-festivities, and is locked the door.
11 Subsequently yet are coming also the rest of the virgins saying "Lord! Lord! open Thou! to us"
[Exodus 12:29/Reve 15:8]

Reve 15:8 And is being-replete the Sanctuary of smoke out of the Glory of the God, and out of the power of Him.
And no one was able to be entering into the Sanctuary until should be being finished the seven blows/stripes of the seven Messengers.
[Genesis 7:16/Matt 7:21/Matt 25:10]

 

[brinny]

I read thru a commentary some years back when I started translating this parable in Luke 16 and came across the 5 brothers mentioned.

How do others view these or who they are symbolizing?

According to the MJ commentary below, it was symbolizing the House/Nation of Judah.

Luke 16:28" For I am having Five Brothers that he may be testifying to them, that no also they may be coming into the place, this, of the torment".

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

*snip*

Yielding himself to his destiny, the rich man asks one more thing of his forefather Abraham. He pleads with him to send someone to warn his brothers, so that they may escape "this place of torment" (basanou), the testing and punishment that he was undergoing.

The fact that the rich man has five brothers is a vital clue to his true symbolic identity. Judah, the progenitor of the Jews, was the son of Jacob through Leah (Gen. 29:35). He had five full-blooded brothers: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, and Zebulun (Gen. 35:23).

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Christ was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who He was referring to with this parable. This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the house of Judah, the Jews!

I believe it refers, just as with the rich man, who was wicked and cared not for God, for he was his own god, to his brothers and anyone else who prefers to be their own God, and cast God aside.

It reminds me of another.....soooo long ago, who wanted to be his own god, and rise above the Almighty.

It's not a new thing. It has always been so and will continue till God sets it straight on that Great Day when all that are not covered in His Son's righteousness, will face the full wrath of the One Whose face even the rocks will attempt to hide from.

There is nothing new under the sun.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I believe it refers, just as with the rich man, who was wicked and cared not for God, for he was his own god, to his brothers and anyone else who prefers to be their own God, and cast God aside.

It reminds me of another.....soooo long ago, who wanted to be his own god, and rise above the Almighty.

It's not a new thing. It has always been so and will continue till God sets it straight on that Great Day when all that are not covered in His Son's righteousness, will face the full wrath of the One Whose face even the rocks will attempt to hide from.

There is nothing new under the sun.

Trud Dat!
Did ya notice that parable was also directed towards these shifty characters

Matthew 3:7 Seeing yet many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming upon his baptism he said to them "produce of vipers! who suggested to ye to be fleeing from the being about/melloushV <3195> (5723) Wrath?
[Reve 3:10/12:4]

Matthew 23:15 Woe to ye Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! that ye are going about the Sea and the Dry/xhran <3584> to make one proselyte and whenever he may be becoming, ye are making him a son of geennhV twofold-more of ye-selves
[Haggai 2:6/Luke 23:31/Reve 6:6]

Reve 6:16 And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks 'be falling upon us! and hide us! from Face of the One sitting upon the Throne, and from the wrath of the Lambkin 17 that came the day, the great, of the wrath of Him, and who is able to stand'.
[Hosea 10:8/Luke 23:30]

 

[brinny]

Trud Dat!
Did ya notice that parable was also directed towards these shifty characters

Matthew 3:7 Seeing yet many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming upon his baptism he said to them "produce of vipers! who suggested to ye to be fleeing from the being about/melloushV <3195> (5723) Wrath?
[Reve 3:10/12:4]

Matthew 23:15 Woe to ye Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! that ye are going about the Sea and the Dry/xhran <3584> to make one proselyte and whenever he may be becoming, ye are making him a son of geennhV twofold-more of ye-selves
[Haggai 2:6/Luke 23:31/Reve 6:6]

Reve 6:16 And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks 'be falling upon us! and hide us! from Face of the One sitting upon the Throne, and from the wrath of the Lambkin 17 that came the day, the great, of the wrath of Him, and who is able to stand'.
[Hosea 10:8/Luke 23:30]

the shifty characters represent all of mankind who prefer to be their own god. The puffing up of self is universal, and is represented by the examples you posted.

 

[Lulav]

I read thru a commentary some years back when I started translating this parable in Luke 16 and came across the 5 brothers mentioned.

How do others view these or who they are symbolizing?

According to the MJ commentary below, it was symbolizing the House/Nation of Judah.

Luke 16:28" For I am having Five Brothers that he may be testifying to them, that no also they may be coming into the place, this, of the torment".

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

*snip*

Yielding himself to his destiny, the rich man asks one more thing of his forefather Abraham. He pleads with him to send someone to warn his brothers, so that they may escape "this place of torment" (basanou), the testing and punishment that he was undergoing.

The fact that the rich man has five brothers is a vital clue to his true symbolic identity. Judah, the progenitor of the Jews, was the son of Jacob through Leah (Gen. 29:35). He had five full-blooded brothers: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, and Zebulun (Gen. 35:23).

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Christ was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who He was referring to with this parable. This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the house of Judah, the Jews!

This is the 'commentary' of one man, with this on his page

This Site is to help document our journey from being spoon-fed biblical sound-bites every week by a prominent evangelical denomination, to truly studying and reading the Bible in the context that it was written, (not just going to the beginning of the chapter).

They are also not affiliated with any Messianic organization

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Please stop trying to find anyway you can to cast dispersions against Messianics or Jews. One who does this does not follow the G-d of Israel.

Trud Dat!
Did ya notice that parable was also directed towards these shifty characters

Matthew 3:7 Seeing yet many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming upon his baptism he said to them "produce of vipers! who suggested to ye to be fleeing from the being about/melloushV <3195> (5723) Wrath?
[Reve 3:10/12:4]

Matthew 23:15 Woe to ye Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! that ye are going about the Sea and the Dry/xhran <3584> to make one proselyte and whenever he may be becoming, ye are making him a son of geennhV twofold-more of ye-selves
[Haggai 2:6/Luke 23:31/Reve 6:6]

Reve 6:16 And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks 'be falling upon us! and hide us! from Face of the One sitting upon the Throne, and from the wrath of the Lambkin 17 that came the day, the great, of the wrath of Him, and who is able to stand'.
[Hosea 10:8/Luke 23:30]

Again, slanderous words against those Yeshua called his brethren.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip*

Again, slanderous words against those Yeshua called his brethren.

Yeah, I hear that a lot

Did he consider these characters that He and John were speaking to as His "brethren"

Matthew 3:7 Seeing yet many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming upon his baptism he said to them "produce of vipers! who suggested to ye to be fleeing from the being about Wrath?
[Reve 3:10/12:4]

Reve 6:16 And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks 'be falling upon us! and hide us! from Face of the One sitting upon the Throne, and from the wrath of the Lambkin
17 that came the day, the great, of the wrath of Him, and who is able to stand'.
[Hosea 10:8/Luke 23:30]

 

[Rick Otto]

We're "The Slander Brothers". We desreve crucifixtion.
Subtext:

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

We're Slander Brothers. We desreve crucifixtion.

TRUE DAT!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7448114-10/#post54283622
LLOJ Branded on CF

Matt 23:34 "Because of this behold! I am Commissioning toward ye Prophets and Wise-men and Scribes. Out of them ye shall be killing/apokteneite <615> (5692) and ye shall be crucifying.
And out of them ye shall be scourging in the Synagogues of ye and ye shall be persecuting/persuing from city into city" [Matt 24:9]

Matt 24:9 then they shall be delivering ye up into tribulation, and They shall be Killing/apoktenousin <615> (5692) Ye, and ye shall be being hated by all of the nations thru/because-of the Name of Me [Matt 23:34/Reve 11:7]

 

[Lulav]

Yeah, I hear that a lot

Did he consider these characters that He and John were speaking to as His "brethren"

Matthew 3:7 Seeing yet many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming upon his baptism he said to them "produce of vipers! who suggested to ye to be fleeing from the being about Wrath?
[Reve 3:10/12:4]

Reve 6:16 And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks 'be falling upon us! and hide us! from Face of the One sitting upon the Throne, and from the wrath of the Lambkin
17 that came the day, the great, of the wrath of Him, and who is able to stand'.
[Hosea 10:8/Luke 23:30]

I was talking about Yeshua, you have quoted his cousin John. He still gave them mikvah, they came to him for preparation of Yom Kippur.

So you believe all the Pharisees and Sadducees ( whom many were of the Kingly line of David) are this depicted in Rev 6:16?? You've posted this same thing numerous times, trying to rile up others against Jews.So all the other religions and those who are satanists, atheists, it couldn't be them, right, only the Jews.

pitiful

 

[Rick Otto]

No hon, Steve ain't anti-semite, he's anti-beaurocrat. Like me. The Jews were the first, but they weren't the last or the worst. He's a little more assertive about it than me, tho. I usualy wait until somebody is wavin' a badge of some sort in my face before I 'put my hand on my sword'.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I was talking about Yeshua, you have quoted his cousin John. He still gave them mikvah, they came to him for preparation of Yom Kippur.

So you believe all the Pharisees and Sadducees ( whom many were of the Kingly line of David) are this depicted in Rev 6:16?? You've posted this same thing numerous times, trying to rile up others against Jews.So all the other religions and those who are satanists, atheists, it couldn't be them, right, only the Jews.

pitiful

I was talking specifically about these murderous corrupt Judean rulers [not the common Jews/Israelites] which were also in the audience Jesus was talking to in Luke 16

Btw, who was James referring to in James 5:6

Matthew 23:15 Woe to ye Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! That ye are going about the sea and the dry/xhran <3584> to make one proselyte, and whenever he may be becoming, ye are making him a son of geennhV twofold-more of ye-selves
33 "Serpents! produce of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging of the geennhV <1067> "

James 5:6 Ye condemn, ye murder/efoneusate <5407> (5656) the Righteous-One, not He is resisting to Ye.
[Matt 27/Reve 9:21]

Ezekiel 39:12 And house of Israel bury them so that to purify/cleanse the Land seven months.
And all of people of the Land bury them. And He becomes to them for a Name, Day of to be glorified Me, declaration of my Lord YHWH. [Revelation 19:17]

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Goliath had 5 brothers and David had 5 extra stones

 

[1whirlwind]

I was talking about Yeshua, you have quoted his cousin John. He still gave them mikvah, they came to him for preparation of Yom Kippur.

So you believe all the Pharisees and Sadducees ( whom many were of the Kingly line of David) are this depicted in Rev 6:16?? You've posted this same thing numerous times, trying to rile up others against Jews.So all the other religions and those who are satanists, atheists, it couldn't be them, right, only the Jews.

pitiful

Pitiful? What about.....

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.


3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

another law/grace thread. circumcised in the flesh or circumcised in the heart? It's all about conforming so as to join the obsolete.

unsubscribe

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

another law/grace thread. circumcised in the flesh or circumcised in the heart? It's all about conforming so as to join the obsolete.

unsubscribe

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Thank you for contributions maid...This parable tends to do that sometimes if we talk about the Jews in the NT.

I think the sabbatarian MJs fail to realize the Levitical Priesthood was joined with the tribes of Judah and Benjamin in the OT. That Priesthood is now obsolete in my view

Matthew 3:9 "And no ye should be thinking to say in yeselves 'a father we are having the Abraham'.
For I am saying unto ye, that is able the God, out of the stones these, to raise-up children to the Abraham.

John 8:44 "Ye out of a father, the Devil are, and the desires of the father of ye, ye are willing to be doing".

Luke 16:24 And he sounding said "Father Abraham! be thou merciful to-me! and send Lazarus! that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water and should be cooling down the tongue of me that I am being pained in the Flame this."

 

[Rick Otto]

Ooooh,...ouch! An unsubscribe! Just when the stones are brought out!
I feel slapped on the cheek(which I kinda like) but worse, I feel cheated out of a good ol' fashioned Theology brawl.
What Happened?

 

[Standing Up]

How about those two members of the Sanhedrin who disagreed with the Council? Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimethea. Of which group were they?

 

[Standing Up]

-snip-

I think the sabbatarian MJs fail to realize the Levitical Priesthood was joined with the tribes of Judah and Benjamin in the OT. That Priesthood is now obsolete in my view

-snip-

What? Where was the Levitical priesthood joined to Judah and Benjamin?