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Chicxulub: Before or After the Flood?

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Chicxulub is a crater that is over 110 MILES in diameter. The size of the asteroid that produced it is estimated at 6-9 miles. A rock that size or any event that would result in a crater of that size would devastate life on this planet. So creationists, was this crater produced before or after the flood? wouldn't the same flood that supposedly carved the grand canyon cover this up? And if the flood did cover it up some, then the original crater was even bigger and the destruction that much greater.

If it happened before not much would be left to worry about a flood, if it happened after then the life that was just recovering from the flood got rocked again and all within the last few thousand years.

Whether it happened before or after the flood, how did people or much of anything survive? Why isnt it mentioned in the bible? after all, whatever caused that crater would have been much more devastating than a Flood.

Creationists: how does Chicxulub fit in with the creation account?
 

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Before the Great Deluge of All.

But there have been many floods: the flood of Ogyges in the Silver Age around 9,500 B.C., the flood of Deucalion in the Bronze Age, and the flood of Dardanus.

"O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you. ... in mind you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition nor any science which is hoary with age. And I will tell you why. There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other causes. There is a story, which even you have preserved, that once upon a time Paethon [Venus], the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his father's chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth, and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt. Now this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens around the earth, and a great conflagration of things upon the earth, which recurs after long intervals; at such times those who live upon the mountains and in dry and lofty places are more liable to destruction than those who dwell by rivers or on the seashore. And from this calamity the Nile, who is our never-failing saviour, delivers and preserves us. When, on the other hand, the gods purge the earth with a deluge of water, the survivors in your country are herdsmen and shepherds who dwell on the mountains, but those who, like you, live in cities are carried by the rivers into the sea. Whereas in this land, neither then nor at any other time, does the water come down from above on the fields, having always a tendency to come up from below; for which reason the traditions preserved here are the most ancient. The fact is, that wherever the extremity of winter frost or of summer does not prevent, mankind exist, sometimes in greater, sometimes in lesser numbers. And whatever happened either in your country or in ours, or in any other region of which we are informed - if there were any actions noble or great or in any other way remarkable, they have all been written down by us of old, and are preserved in our temples. Whereas just when you and other nations are beginning to be provided with letters and the other requisites of civilized life, after the usual interval, the stream from heaven, like a pestilence, comes pouring down, and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education; and so you have to begin all over again like children, and know nothing of what happened in ancient times, either among us or among yourselves. As for those genealogies of yours which you just now recounted to us, Solon, they are no better than the tales of children. In the first place you remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones; in the next place, you do not know that there formerly dwelt in your land the fairest and noblest race of men which ever lived, and that you and your whole city are descended from a small seed or remnant of them which survived. And this was unknown to you, because, for many generations, the survivors of that destruction died, leaving no written word." -- Sonchis of Sais, priest, 6th century B.C.

"In the lifetime of [Emperor] Yao the sun did not set for ten full days and the entire land was flooded." -- Johannes Hübner, evangelist, 1729
 
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After all, the water in the flood had to go somewhere, didn't it?
The water is called the oceans and it cools the divergent faults as the Earth grows and it's radius increases over time.
 
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The water is called the oceans and it cools the divergent faults as the Earth grows and it's radius increases over time.

Nope, it definitely went down the plug. Like a bath. You do believe in baths, don't you?
 
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Chicxulub is a crater that is over 110 MILES in diameter. The size of the asteroid that produced it is estimated at 6-9 miles. A rock that size or any event that would result in a crater of that size would devastate life on this planet. So creationists, was this crater produced before or after the flood? wouldn't the same flood that supposedly carved the grand canyon cover this up? And if the flood did cover it up some, then the original crater was even bigger and the destruction that much greater.

If it happened before not much would be left to worry about a flood, if it happened after then the life that was just recovering from the flood got rocked again and all within the last few thousand years.

Whether it happened before or after the flood, how did people or much of anything survive? Why isnt it mentioned in the bible? after all, whatever caused that crater would have been much more devastating than a Flood.

Creationists: how does Chicxulub fit in with the creation account?

Impacts with asteroids are not the only catastrophic events not mentioned in The Bible. I'd like to know why The Bible never mentions the last Ice Age, especially since it figures prominently into creationist apologetic stories. We're told it occurred very quickly after The Flood, allowed the penguins and kangaroos to get where they needed to go, and then quickly ended. Yet, the Bible makes no mention of it whatsoever.

Funny how the Bible never mentions stuff the human authors didn't know anything about...huh? Especailly since we are told over and over that God wrote it and He witnessed everything...
 
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Before the Great Deluge of All.

But there have been many floods: the flood of Ogyges in the Silver Age around 9,500 B.C., the flood of Deucalion in the Bronze Age, and the flood of Dardanus.

"O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you. ... in mind you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition nor any science which is hoary with age. And I will tell you why. There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other causes. There is a story, which even you have preserved, that once upon a time Paethon [Venus], the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his father's chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth, and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt. Now this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens around the earth, and a great conflagration of things upon the earth, which recurs after long intervals; at such times those who live upon the mountains and in dry and lofty places are more liable to destruction than those who dwell by rivers or on the seashore. And from this calamity the Nile, who is our never-failing saviour, delivers and preserves us. When, on the other hand, the gods purge the earth with a deluge of water, the survivors in your country are herdsmen and shepherds who dwell on the mountains, but those who, like you, live in cities are carried by the rivers into the sea. Whereas in this land, neither then nor at any other time, does the water come down from above on the fields, having always a tendency to come up from below; for which reason the traditions preserved here are the most ancient. The fact is, that wherever the extremity of winter frost or of summer does not prevent, mankind exist, sometimes in greater, sometimes in lesser numbers. And whatever happened either in your country or in ours, or in any other region of which we are informed - if there were any actions noble or great or in any other way remarkable, they have all been written down by us of old, and are preserved in our temples. Whereas just when you and other nations are beginning to be provided with letters and the other requisites of civilized life, after the usual interval, the stream from heaven, like a pestilence, comes pouring down, and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education; and so you have to begin all over again like children, and know nothing of what happened in ancient times, either among us or among yourselves. As for those genealogies of yours which you just now recounted to us, Solon, they are no better than the tales of children. In the first place you remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones; in the next place, you do not know that there formerly dwelt in your land the fairest and noblest race of men which ever lived, and that you and your whole city are descended from a small seed or remnant of them which survived. And this was unknown to you, because, for many generations, the survivors of that destruction died, leaving no written word." -- Sonchis of Sais, priest, 6th century B.C.

"In the lifetime of [Emperor] Yao the sun did not set for ten full days and the entire land was flooded." -- Johannes Hübner, evangelist, 1729
so it totally makes sense to you that most life was obliterated by Chicxulub and what little was left was laid to waste once again by the great flood?
How did we ever get all the diversity we see today if nearly all of it was messed up multiple times in short succession and only given millenia to recover?
 
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so it totally makes sense to you that most life was obliterated by Chicxulub and what little was left was laid to waste once again by the great flood?
It made sense to the Egyptians and Sonchis of Sais, it made sense to Solon, it made sense to Critias, it made sense to Plato, it made sense to the Greeks during the 1000 years the Platonic Academy flourished.

How did we ever get all the diversity we see today if nearly all of it was messed up multiple times in short succession and only given millenia to recover?
Excellent question. If catastrophic events such as the Permian Extinction and the Chicxulub impact wipe out 90% of all species, how do we account for the Intelligent Design we see today?

"And the problem in geology is not only [a] problem of annihilation of species but also a problem of origin of species. In fact the very question of evolution: How could so many species that populate the Earth, and many more have populated without leaving a single descendant, how could so many species evolve just by the mere process of competition? From the original simple form, practically unicellular form, just by competition, can you understand how a crocodile and a bird and a worm and a man and an insect with many legs, all could come to be?" -- Immanuel Velikovsky, polymath, 1966
 
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I am still trying to figure out, in all seriousness, where all the water went.
Ever seen an ocean before?

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Ever seen an ocean before?

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I have indeed seen an ocean. The problem is that, if the flood was global and covered all of the land, then either (a) the water levels would have been about 30,000 feet higher during the flood than they are now or (b) the world's land masses grew substantially taller at the exact moment that the rain stopped and the floodwaters "dried up." As every fourth grader is taught in earth science, water does not simply disappear. Now, if there is evidence for proposition B, I have never seen it. Unless proposition B can be demonstrated to be true, or at least feasible, in light of the available evidence, then the flood must be explained by proposition A. If A is true, however, then there would seem to be a lot of water that simply just disappeared. This water would necessarily be additional to that which is in the world's oceans and lakes.
 
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I have indeed seen an ocean. The problem is that, if the flood was global and covered all of the land, then either (a) the water levels would have been about 30,000 feet higher during the flood than they are now
And? So?

"When God caused the deluge upon earth, and destroyed all flesh, and four hundred and nine thousand giants, and the water rose fifteen cubits above the highest mountains, then the water entered into paradise and destroyed every flower;" -- III Baruch 4:10

or (b) the world's land masses grew substantially taller at the exact moment that the rain stopped and the floodwaters "dried up."
"All marine fossils from 200 million years ago or earlier are found exclusively on continental locations -- just as expanding Earth theory predicts. That's because all large marine environments pre-Jurassic were epicontinental seas -- not oceans. Incredibly, if we deny expanding Earth theory, all the pre-Jurassic oceanic marine fossils must have vanished, along with all pre-Jurassic oceanic crust, as well as all of the fossils of all the trans-Pacific taxa that simply "walked" from one location to the other. Hmmm. Even your mainstream fixist geologist counterparts of the first half of the twentieth century didn't have to accept that many miracles." -- Dennis J. McCarthy, geoscientist, October 2003

As every fourth grader is taught in earth science, water does not simply disappear.
Um every fourth grader knows that water does indeed simply disappear and have even observed water disappear through a scientific process called EVAPORATION. Furthermore, every fourth grader knows that magic can cause water to disappear.

Now, if there is evidence for proposition B, I have never seen it.
Tassos, S.T., and Ford, D.J., An Integrated Alternative Conceptual Framework to Heat Engine Earth, Plate Tectonics, and Elastic Rebound, Journal of Scientific Exploration, Volume 19, Number 1, Pages 43-90, 2005

Unless proposition B can be demonstrated to be true, or at least feasible, in light of the available evidence, then the flood must be explained by proposition A. If A is true, however, then there would seem to be a lot of water that simply just disappeared. This water would necessarily be additional to that which is in the world's oceans and lakes.
See above.
 
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Um every fourth grader knows that water does indeed simply disappear and have even observed water disappear through a scientific process called EVAPORATION. Furthermore, every fourth grader knows that magic can cause water to disappear.

Evaporation is the process of water changing from liquid to gas. Ultimately, it eventually changes back into liquid. It's a little thing that some scientists like to call the water cycle. This is a product of the fact that the Earth's atmosphere can only hold a certain amount a water vapor. Frankly, I don't see how it is possible for the amount of water (30,000 feet, or approx. 6 miles, covering an area of just less than 200 Million square miles = about 8 billion gallons of water or 1.1 billion cubic miles) to be contained in t he atmosphere. This is about 350,000 times more water than is currently believed to be contained in the atmosphere. And, these numbers assume that the the entire Earth has 0% humidity on the last day of the rain. So, I can't accept the "it just evaporated" theory as plausible.
 
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