The Dodwell Data now out!!!!!

[dad]

OK, here is some info that I have been waiting for! This guy came up with a date where a great change on earth happened. That date is precisely the date of the split. Better sit down, folks. Here we go....

Dodwell Manuscript

 

[Nostromo]

Breaking news, Chuchill declares war on Germany!

 

[dad]

Breaking news, Chuchill declares war on Germany!

Breaking news, you better address the data. It leads right to the scene of the universe state change crime. And I do mean right to it, literally.

 

[Nostromo]

Could you please explain how?

 

[dad]

Could you please explain how?

Yes. 66 data points were used, (you can argue about the dates for a few but that won't change the plot)...to plot a curve of the axis of the earth, that changed. The start of the change leads us to a certain date. That date is the same as the date I deduce for the universe change.

 

[Tielec]

I'm used to reading boring research papers, but this one killed me.
Couldn't get past halfway through chapter 2 sorry...
Curiously when I went to the reference section there is a grand total of 26 references or two references per chapter, which seems on the low side for a research paper.

 

[dad]

I'm used to reading boring research papers, but this one killed me.
Couldn't get past halfway through chapter 2 sorry...
Curiously when I went to the reference section there is a grand total of 26 references or two references per chapter, which seems on the low side for a research paper.

Well, it was decades ago. But if we have 26 references for the 66 data points, that is not bad.

 

[Nostromo]

The start of the change leads us to a certain date. That date is the same as the date I deduce for the universe change.

How do we know that the date of the first observation is the date of the start of the change?

 

[Friendly.Atheist]

....Please don't say this somehow proves your insane idea about the laws of physics being different in the past...

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Here's your conclusion folks.

" His conclusion, and the conclusion we find we also must draw, is that there was a sudden change in the tilt of the axis of the earth in or about 2345 B.C."

As an aside, I wonder why the Bible didn't mention this earth altering event?

 

[thatbusfromspeed]

I am confused about what this has to do with evolution.

About the laws of physics being different in the past, there is actually some legitimate scientific discussion taking place about the possibility on changing constants such as the speed of light or the mass of an electron, however there is no real data to suggest this. Even so, if these constants were changing it would happen on the order of billions of years (not 6,000) and still then only slightly.

 

[dad]

How do we know that the date of the first observation is the date of the start of the change?

"As he pondered the data, a decision was made to graph the measurements recorded by the ancients and compare them to what modern astronomers suppose they should have been, based upon reverse projections from present-day planetary alignments and motions. When Dodwell did so, he found that the ancient measurements formed a distinct pattern of increasing discrepancy with modern projections as one went further back in time. The data also fit a curve with which Dodwell was quite familiar. It was the curve of recovery for a spinning top that is struck by an outside force.

..
When George Dodwell sought to solve the mysterious discrepancy between historical records and modern astronomy, he reached some startling conclusions. Earlier it was pointed out that he made a graph of the solstice shadow-length observations recorded by the ancients. When he constructed a mathematical curve to fit the observations, he made some important discoveries.
First, the curve had a point of origin dating at about 2345 B.C. He concluded that something dramatic must have occurred at that time."


It's A Young World After All

 

[dad]

I am confused about what this has to do with evolution.

About the laws of physics being different in the past, there is actually some legitimate scientific discussion taking place about the possibility on changing constants such as the speed of light or the mass of an electron, however there is no real data to suggest this. Even so, if these constants were changing it would happen on the order of billions of years (not 6,000) and still then only slightly.

No, this is nnot about our constants changing. If a different universe, and laws will come to exist in the future, it is not from a change in our laws. It would be more to do with adding the spiritual with our physical only, resulting in new laws. If the far past had such different laws, then our laws came to exist from a change, NOT in our laws, but in the merged laws!

 

[dad]

....Please don't say this somehow proves your insane idea about the laws of physics being different in the past...

The big change at the date of the split, is evidence that that was when a big change happened. Combing other evidences, and records, it converges on that precise time.

 

[dad]

Here's your conclusion folks.

" His conclusion, and the conclusion we find we also must draw, is that there was a sudden change in the tilt of the axis of the earth in or about 2345 B.C."

As an aside, I wonder why the Bible didn't mention this earth altering event?

It did. That was over a century after the flood. The facts mentioned in the bible saw many changes occur after this time. It also mentions that this was when the earth was split, or divided. After that, we can draw a curve for lifespans as well.

 

[Spacewyrm]

This is no good dad! Your so-called science doesn't know anything about the distant past. How could it! It's all assumptions. You put the Universe in a tiny box and dream about the different-past and future times, but you can't reach it. I'll trust the observations of man. Eons ago, Eru Illuvitar created the Ainur who sang the song which formed the world! Then the Valar descended upon the Earth and shaped it into its present state. Your Illlivitar-less fantasies are made-up nonsense meant to scare children with a hellish future-state apocalypse! How do you explain the records of the high-elves!? How do you explain Mordor and Sauron existing the records of ancient man!? Relax. You've got nothing. Whoopee do.

 

[MoonLancer]

funny how this guy in the paper seems to have a very different conclusion the original poster.

How does the tilt of the earth effect the speed of light and the distance of the stars?

 

[Friendly.Atheist]

His conclusion that something dramatic must have happened ~4300 years ago was based off the assumption that prior to this happening the tilt of the earth's axis was 0, unless I read it incorrectly (which I might have).

You love pointing out assumptions and how they ruin a theory, Dad. I'm surprised you didn't catch that. Or are you not so great at catching real assumptions?
I think taking already established theories based on established theories based on real observations and calling that an assumption is more your thing, no?

 

[dad]

This is no good dad! ... I'll trust the observations of man....

Long as it is not the observations of science, trust whatever you like! They look out of the box, applying box rules to all they think they see.

 

[dad]

funny how this guy in the paper seems to have a very different conclusion the original poster.

How does the tilt of the earth effect the speed of light and the distance of the stars?

The data concerned the tilt of the earth axis. He was not trying to address the things you mention. But since the data points right to the year of the universe state change, I think that affects our state. Is that not obvious?