Sir Elton John claims Jesus was gay

[max1120]

Sexual orientation doesn't matter much to me so I don't see this as being an issue. I don't think he actually was gay...but I'd laugh all the way to the bank after seeing the look on some conservative faces if he was.

I am going to have to agree. There is nothing I have ever seen written in that shows him to be gay. In fact I do not think the bible even makes any attempt to discuss Christ sexuality. So to say he was gay or not gay would be pure speculation. Sir Elton does not strike me as a biblcial scholar..lol

However like the above poster, sexual orientation means little to me.

 

[fm107]

The bible is explicitly clear that homosexuality is a sin.

Jesus was without sin therefore how could he possibly be a homosexual?

 

[lux et lex]

The bible is explicitly clear that homosexuality is a sin.

Jesus was without sin therefore how could he possibly be a homosexual?

Oh but the act of homosexual sex is a sin (I don't believe this but according to conservatives, this is the case). Jesus could have been a homosexual but just never acting on the sexual urges, therefore was still without sin. Right?

 

[fm107]

No, even an evil thought is a sin, like lust, your not harming anyone but your thought is still a sin.

It is impossible for Jesus to be a homosexual (even without carrying out any sexual acts). Homosexuality comes from the sinful desires of our hearts. Jesus had no sinful desire what so ever. He is the spotless lamb of God.

Romans 1:24-27
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

 

[The Penitent Man]

The bible is explicitly clear that homosexuality is a sin.

Jesus was without sin therefore how could he possibly be a homosexual?

I agree.

But is homosexuality an identity or an action? The OT seems to be telling us that it is the physical act of buggery that offends God and not the quality of one's sexual orientation. Maybe it's not so much who you lust after as it is what you do with that lust. But I'm not one to talk. I've already had sexual relations with a woman and I am not married. I may never be married. Like everyone else, I struggle with lust. I'm not proud of it, not ashamed of it either.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Jesus was not gay. He was 100% pure.

That's a logical error of post hoc ergo propter hoc ("it does not follow").

 

[Texas Lynn]

Matthew 12:36
But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.

Hardly seems applicable for such an innocuous comment.

 

[Texas Lynn]

I am going to have to agree. There is nothing I have ever seen written in that shows him to be gay. In fact I do not think the bible even makes any attempt to discuss Christ sexuality. So to say he was gay or not gay would be pure speculation. Sir Elton does not strike me as a biblcial scholar..lol

However like the above poster, sexual orientation means little to me.

These days, people would raise eyebrows at 13 men traveling together and sharing intimate quarters. Back then, nobody batted and eye. Actually, that's in itself evidence the gotcha passages that haters of LGBTs claim refers to LGBTs actually refer to something else.

 

[Texas Lynn]

The bible is explicitly clear that homosexuality is a sin.

This is certainly false.

Jesus was without sin therefore how could he possibly be a homosexual?

Since there is no sin in being homosexual this assertion is silly.

 

[The Penitent Man]

That's a logical error of post hoc ergo propter hoc ("it does not follow").

Does it follow that Jesus was a sinner? A fornicator? A sodomite?

 

[The Penitent Man]

Since there is no sin in being homosexual this assertion is silly.

You really should crack open your Bible.

1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh

Leviticus 18:22
" 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Does it follow that Jesus was a sinner? A fornicator? A sodomite?

No.

 

[Texas Lynn]

You really should crack open your Bible.

1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh

Leviticus 18:22
" 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

None apply to the topic at hand.

 

[The Penitent Man]

None apply to the topic at hand.

Do they recognize same-sex unions in the Methodist church? I realize that some denominations do this and others don't.

 

[lux et lex]

No, even an evil thought is a sin, like lust, your not harming anyone but your thought is still a sin.

It is impossible for Jesus to be a homosexual (even without carrying out any sexual acts). Homosexuality comes from the sinful desires of our hearts. Jesus had no sinful desire what so ever. He is the spotless lamb of God.

Then you are advocating that Jesus was an asexual. Because it would still be sinful for him to be heterosexual because with heterosexuality comes lustful thoughts. Right?

 

[The Penitent Man]

That sounds about right.

 

[Robshez]

Im quite amazed at the variety of opinions in this thread and how ill-informed some of them are.

Firstly, I would be answering Sir Eltons comments under the assumption that when he said he believed Jesus to be a homosexual, he meant someone who 'committed the act' so to speak - not just a man with homosexual urges. This is blasphemy because homosexuality is a sin (If you don't agree then read your bible without bias and pray that God will open your eyes to truth). To suggest that Jesus either entertained homosexual thoughts or committed the act is to suggest he sinned - either with his heart or body - Blasphemy.

Secondly Jesus was tempted by the devil, but was not prone to sinful desires, therefore he would have not lusted either men or women.

Thirdly, sexuality is not a sin! Men are created to desire women, and women are created by God to desire men. This is good, healthy and Holy. Men are not designed to want men, and women are not designed to want women. Someone already gave references to that so I won't bother. Jesus is God and His bride is the Church. That is why He did not marry. He was not asexual. He was fully human and He was fully man. If he was tempted in that way it would have been for a woman, which is what his human body was designed to pursue.

 

[The Penitent Man]

Im quite amazed at the variety of opinions in this thread and how ill-informed some of them are.

Firstly, I would be answering Sir Eltons comments under the assumption that when he said he believed Jesus to be a homosexual, he meant someone who 'committed the act' so to speak - not just a man with homosexual urges. This is blasphemy because homosexuality is a sin (If you don't agree then read your bible without bias and pray that God will open your eyes to truth). To suggest that Jesus either entertained homosexual thoughts or committed the act is to suggest he sinned - either with his heart or body - Blasphemy.

Secondly Jesus was tempted by the devil, but was not prone to sinful desires, therefore he would have not lusted either men or women.

Thirdly, sexuality is not a sin! Men are created to desire women, and women are created by God to desire men. This is good, healthy and Holy. Men are not designed to want men, and women are not designed to want women. Someone already gave references to that so I won't bother. Jesus is God and His bride is the Church. That is why He did not marry. He was not asexual. He was fully human and He was fully man. If he was tempted in that way it would have been for a woman, which is what his human body was designed to pursue.

I think you've just said it better than I could ever hope to.

 

[ParanoidAndroid]

I think Sir Elton was being whimsical and payng Christ a compliment. Christ identified with the oppressed. He was certainly more like the LGBT folks than like the bullies who hate them.

I can't say what Elton John's reasons were, but this is possible. If he was simply saying that Jesus identified with the oppressed, then this is a plausible analogy. However, when anyone refers to Jesus as gay, I'm pretty sure that they are referring to him being actively involved with a gay lover.

It is also true that many people have used the Bible to justify homophobia against LGBT folks, at the expense of God's other commandments to Love your neighbours.

Those who heap hate on anyone will likely find themselves on the outer when they front the Judgement of God. I guess that'll be up to God then. He's the only one who can Judge

Best Regards,
~ PA

 

[ParanoidAndroid]

Oh but the act of homosexual sex is a sin (I don't believe this but according to conservatives, this is the case). Jesus could have been a homosexual but just never acting on the sexual urges, therefore was still without sin. Right?

Technically true, though the act of thinking lustful thoughts about homosexuality is also equally sinful. However, this also applies to heterosexuals who lust after others. Both acts are equally sinful.

I think it is highly unlikely that Jesus would be gay, but since the Bible doesn't really say (and since he never acted on it or lusted after it, it's pretty much a non-issue as far as I'm concerned).

~ PA