Can a Christian be a Freemason???

[AoDoA]

“Wallace's reasons for wanting to introduce the Great Seal onto the American currency were based on his belief that America was reaching a turning point in her history and that great spiritual changes were imminent. He believed that the 1930s represented a time when a great spiritual awakening was going to take place which would precede the creation of the one-world state.”
- Michael Howard, The Occult Conspiracy, p.95

“Roosevelt as he looked at the colored reproduction of the Seal was first struck with the representation of the 'All-Seeing Eye,' a Masonic representation of Great Architect the Universe. Next he was impressed with the idea that the foundation for the new order of the ages had been laid in 1776. but would be completed only under the eye of the Great Architect. Roosevelt like myself was a 32nd degree Mason. He suggested that the Seal be put on the dollar bill rather that a coin.”

Henry Wallace VP

The great strength of our Order lies in its concealment; let it never appear in any place in its own name, but always concealed by another name, and another occupation. None is fitter than the lower degrees of Freemasonry; the public is accustomed to it, expects little from it, and therefore takes little notice of it. Next to this, the form of a learned or literary society is best suited to our purpose, and had Freemasonry not existed, this cover would have been employed; and it may be much more than a cover, it may be a powerful engine in our hands. … A Literary Society is the most proper form for the introduction of our Order into any state where we are yet strangers.

Adam Weishaupt(founder of the illuminati in 1776)



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[AoDoA]

I'm not asking you to do my work for me. However, you posted these quotations and said that you were using them in context. If you in fact found them in the original source, you can easily provide the page numbers, which is a basic citation requirement (see Chicago Manual of Style, MLA Handbook, The Bluebook, etc).



You keep saying that, but I have yet to see any proof.



That's you opinion; I have yet to see any proof.



I just looked at page 8 of the scanned copy of this irtem taht is available on Google, and what you quoted is not there.

so do a keyword search for the quote then

you really are useless(sorry, but just interacting with you is a chore)

http://www.freedom-ministries.com/downlads/Morals-And-Dogma-By-Albert-Pike.pdf

page 8

 

[AoDoA]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Gdx0oYaIk

 

[Archivist]

so do a keyword search for the quote then

When read in context, it appears that the material you are quoting is refering to the of the Temple of Solomon, which the Scottish Rite Temple is supposed to represent. Don't just pick out a sentence or two, read the whole chapter.

you really are useless

That's such a kind thing for you to say. I am not the one posting Youtube videos and claiming them as evidence, you are the one doing that.

(sorry, but just interacting with you is a chore)

When you make a claim you have to prove it. That is a basic rule of debate (see the Pittsburgh Code of Academic Debate if you doubt me). The burden of proof rests with the affirmative.

http://www.freedom-ministries.com/downlads/Morals-And-Dogma-By-Albert-Pike.pdf

page 8

You started earlier that you were citing to the original source. However you are not; you are citing to a transcription, which may or may not be accurate.

And, once again, you have yet to address the statement in the book's preface that clearly says "Everyone is entirely free to reject and dissent from whatsoever herein may seem to him to be untrue or unsound." In addition, you hjave yet to address the fact that the book only applies to a small portion of the Scottish Rite, specifically to southern lodges, not to the Masons as a whole.

 

[AoDoA]

When read in context, it appears that the material you are quoting is refering to the of the Temple of Solomon, which the Scottish Rite Temple is supposed to represent. Don't just pick out a sentence or two, read the whole chapter.



That's such a kind thing for you to say. I am not the one posting Youtube videos and claiming them as evidence, you are the one doing that.



You make a claim you have to prove it. The burden of proof rests with the affirmative.



You started earlier that you were citing to the original source. However you are not; you are citing to a transcription, which may or may not be accurate.

And, once again, you have yet to address the statement in the book's preface that clearly says "Everyone is entirely free to reject and dissent from whatsoever herein may seem to him to be untrue or unsound." In addition, you hjave yet to address the fact that the book only applies to a small portion of the Scottish Rite, specifically to southern lodges, not to the Masons as a whole.

your obsession over that quote is not helping your case

this is not just about Albert Pike(though he provides us with a glimpse into Freemasonry's true goals and beliefs)

the book was never meant for the public remember

 

[AoDoA]

heres the quote in more context:

"Every Lodge is a Temple, and as a whole, and in its details symbolic. The Universe itself
supplied man with the model for the first temples reared to the Divinity. The arrangement
of the Temple of Solomon, the symbolic ornaments which formed its chief decorations,
and the dress of the High-Priest, all had reference to the order of the Universe, as then
understood. The Temple contained many emblems of the seasons--the sun, the moon,
the planets, the constellations Ursa Major and Minor, the zodiac, the elements, and the
other parts of the world. It is the Master of this Lodge, of the Universe, Hermes, of whom
Khurum is the representative, that is one of the lights of the Lodge.

For further instruction as to the symbolism of the heavenly bodies, and of the sacred
numbers, and of the temple and its details, you must wait patiently until you advance in
Masonry, in the mean time exercising your intellect in studying them for yourself. To
study and seek to interpret correctly the symbols of the Universe, is the work of the sage
and philosopher. It is to decipher the writing of God, and penetrate into His thoughts."

its obvious that the temple of Solomon is being used as an example as to what a Masonic TEMPLE should be

the brief mention of Solomon's temple does not even change the context of the quote I provided from below

you remaining willfully ignorant and playing these little games of misdirection are also not helping your case

 

[Archivist]

your obsession over that quote is not helping your case

Then why do you refuse to provide an answer?

this is not just about Albert Pike(though he provides us with a glimpse into Freemasonry's true goals and beliefs)

No, he provides his own views on the southern division of the Scottish Rite, a very small part of Masonry. You don't seem to be getting this.

the book was never meant for the public remember

It wasn't even meant for all Masons, just those in the southern division of the Scottish Rite.

 

[AoDoA]

Then why do you refuse to provide an answer?



No, he provides his own views on the southern division of the Scottish Rite, a very small part of Masonry. You don't seem to be getting this.



It wasn't even meant for all Masons, just those in the southern division of the Scottish Rite.

Albert Pike is one of the most respected figures in Masonry and has even been called "the Pope" of Freemasonry

His views are held in high esteem today(you can see that just by reading literature which is in agreement with everything he says from modern Masons) and his book is still given out to Masons

I've heard former Masons speak about Pike and his book and they warn you not to believe anything you are told from Masons about Pike being a nobody

he is highly esteemed and regarded by the brotherhood to this day

 

[AoDoA]

YouTube - FREEMASONRY / ILLUMINATI - (SYMBOLISM/RITUALS) - Intresting...

 

[Archivist]

its obvious that the temple of Solomon is being used as an example as to what a Masonic TEMPLE should be

That's no secret--I don't think that any Mason would disagree.

the brief mention of Solomon's temple does not even change the context of the quote I provided from below

Sure it does; if you read the entire chapter you see that the discussion at that point is regarding the mysteries and symbolism of the Temple. And the author specifically states that "Masonry neither usurps the place of, nor apes religion." (page 6 in the original text)

you remaining willfully ignorant and playing these little games of misdirection are also not helping your case

When you start throwing insults, as you have now done twice, it is usually a sign that you lack facts to support your position.

 

[AoDoA]

That's no secret--I don't think that any Mason would disagree.



Sure it does; if you read the entire chapter you see that the discussion at that point is regarding the mysteries and symbolism of the Temple. And the author specifically states that "Masonry neither usurps the place of, nor apes religion." (page 6 in the original text)



When you start throwing insults, as you have now done twice, it is usually a sign that you lack facts to support your position.

yes I know Masonry trys to be everything to everyone, the broad path to God, accepting all faiths

but to deny the fact that the description of the Temple of Solomon is meant as an ideal for the Masonic TEMPLE is just willful ignorance and I never made any claims of Masonry being a religion(though it obviously is)

 

[Archivist]

Albert Pike is one of the most respected figures in Masonry and has even been called "the Pope" of Freemasonry

I have never said that he isn't an important figure. In fact, I think I said that he was of historical importance in my earlier posts. However, there si no Pope in Freemasonry.

His views are held in high esteem today(you can see that just by reading literature which is in agreement with everything he says from modern Masons) and his book is still given out to Masons

Wikipedia says "Pike is still sometimes regarded in America as an eminent and influential Freemason. They stopped distributing his book in 1974, and it was never given to all Masons, just to members of the southern division of the Scottish Rite. That is a tiny minority of all Masons.

I've heard former Masons speak about Pike and his book and they warn you not to believe anything you are told from Masons about Pike being a nobody

he is highly esteemed and regarded by the brotherhood to this day

Again, I never said Pike was a "nobody."

 

[AoDoA]

"The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahveh reversed; for Satan is not a
black god, but the negation of God. The Devil is the personification of Atheism or Idolatry.
For the Initiates, this is not a Person, but a Force, created for good, but which may serve
for evil. It is the instrument of Liberty or Free Will. They represent this Force, which
presides over the physical generation, under the mythologic and horned form of the God
PAN; thence came the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the
Light-bearer or Phosphor, of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend."

page 65 from the link I gave yo

 

[AoDoA]

I have never said that he isn't an important figure. In fact, I think I said that he was of historical importance in my earlier posts. However, there si no Pope in Freemasonry.



Wikipedia says "Pike is still sometimes regarded in America as an eminent and influential Freemason. They stopped distributing his book in 1974, and it was never given to all Masons, just to members of the southern division of the Scottish Rite. That is a tiny minority of all Masons.



Again, I never said Pike was a "nobody."

your naive if you think the book is not still given Masons

Masons are masters of deception

everything about their organization relies on lies, misinformation, misdirection and secrecy

exercising power over influential aspects of society(like the media and the schools) to convey the message they want, so the people will believe as they want them to believe

 

[AoDoA]

"The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the nineteenth Degree,
the Apothesis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone,
and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. LUCIFER, the
Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit
of Darknesss! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who
bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble,
sensual or selfish Souls ? Doubt it not! for traditions are full of
Divine Revelations and Inspirations: and Inspiration is not of
one Age nor of one Creed. Plato and Philo, also, were inspired.
The Apocalypse, indeed, is a book as obscure as the Sohar.
It is written hieroglyphically with numbers and images; and
the Apostle often appeals to the intelligence of the Initiated.
"Let him who hath knowledge, understand! let him who understands,
calculate !" he often says, after an allegory or the mention
of a number. Saint John, the favorite Apostle, and the Depositary
of all the Secrets of the Saviour, therefore did not write to be
undertood by the multitude.

page 210

I hope you'll understand what hes saying here(least I think I understand)

the first part of the quote is what is to be told to the 19 degree

he then goes on to state the truth of the matter as he sees it

 

[Archivist]

yes I know Masonry trys to be everything to everyone, the broad path to God, accepting all faiths

but to deny the fact that the description of the Temple of Solomon is meant as an ideal for the Masonic TEMPLE is just willful ignorance and I never made any claims of Masonry being a religion(though it obviously is)

But you did specifically state that "Masonry is about as Satanic an organization that exists out there."

So, George Washington was Satanic. Benjamin Franklin was Satanic.

As I have stated, I am not a Mason, but I get upset when people who know nothing about Masonry except what they hear from fringe groups start saying that the Masons are Satanic.

 

[AoDoA]

hes actually not a very good writer

hes too hung up on being wordy and sounding intelligent and I think he likes the sound of his own voice a little too much

devoid of true grace with a forced artificial elegance

 

[AoDoA]

But you did specifically state that "Masonry is about as Satanic an organization that exists out there."

So, George Washington was Satanic. Benjamin Franklin was Satanic.

As I have stated, I am not a Mason, but I get upset when people who know nothing about Masonry except what they hear from fringe groups start saying that the Masons are Satanic.

no George Washington was not Satanic

in his day Masonry had not yet been infiltrated by the order of the illuminati

in fact he wrote about that very fact after being warned of the illuminati spreading into the United States

"It is not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than I am.. The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of separation). That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a separation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned."

George Washington

 

[Archivist]

your naive if you think the book is not still given Masons

It isn't. If you have prioof that it is then offer it.

Masons are masters of deception

Proof???????

everything about their organization relies on lies, misinformation, misdirection and secrecy

Proof?????

exercising power over influential aspects of society(like the media and the schools) to convey the message they want, so the people will believe as they want them to believe

Yes, and the US government is working with aliens from outer space and with Bigfoot and with the Illuminati and they are all trying to establish a one-world government...

I really can't deal with conspiracy theories. Get back to me whern you have facts.

 

[AoDoA]

this is what Washington was replying too:

"There is sufficient evidence that a number of societies, of the Illuminati, have been established in this land of Gospel light and civil liberty, which were first organized from the grand society, in France. They are doubtless secretly striving to undermine all our ancient institutions, civil and sacred. These societies are closely leagued with those of the same Order, in Europe; they have all the same object in view. The enemies of all order are seeking our ruin. Should infidelity generally prevail, our independence would fall of course. Our republican government would be annihilated."

Joseph Willard