Does 'Goddidit' constitute an explanation? (2)

[Doveaman]

Naturally. Would you accept something as scientific if it hadn't been peer-reviewed?

I already do - Plasma Cosmology and Jesus.

Right on! Who cares what literally thousands of scientists say? So long as you can dismiss them all to maintain your pet hypothesis. God forbid you should actually concede defeat...

Actually, with God, Consensus opinion can take a hike, too.

Really? Fingers of God? You realise that's just an error introduced by galactic clusters, right?

No, it's an error introduced by a flawed interpretation of red-shift.

 

[Jnwaco]

From plasmacosmology.net, previously quoted by Doveaman. According to the Plasma guys, we live in a steady state universe with no beginning, ergo it is incompatible with Christian theology.

That's a bit simplistic. Things in the universe most definitely had a beginning, including earths, stars, etc. It might require a change in our understanding of what precisely God created in Genesis 1, but it wouldn't be strictly incompatible.

 

[Ellinas]

First it was Creationism and when that failed to convince they tried Creation science, then ID, then Electric Universe!

I wonder what they will come up with next?

Personally it is all about making money. Think about all the merchandise they sell with the relevant creationist based theories tag?

I vote for "Polka dot Universe" theory. At least it looks that way!

By the way the "Flat Earth Society" Are recruiting! Any takers?

 

[Jnwaco]

More appeal to ridicule fallacies

 

[Nostromo]

That's a bit simplistic. Things in the universe most definitely had a beginning, including earths, stars, etc. It might require a change in our understanding of what precisely God created in Genesis 1, but it wouldn't be strictly incompatible.

So in the other thread you're saying that God created the universe in a dimension outside time, whereas here you're saying that it's only the things inside the universe that were created.

Could you just clear it up for me and tell me what it is that you actually believe, and why scientists confirming Plasma Cosmology would change your mind while the Big Bang would not, despite the fact it seems to fit better with your religion?

 

[AV1611VET]

The reason this does not violate the conservation principle is because matter and anti-matter and energy and anti energy are being created in equal ammounts, and they anihilate each other instantly.

What you're proposing then is an ongoing creatio ex nihilo.

A net zero is still creation, but God ended creating on the 7th day by resting (i.e. ceasing) from all His work.

If the Casmir Effect and that other thing you mentioned are science, then they can take a hike if they violate Scripture.

That's the way I feel about it.

 

[pgp_protector]

What you're proposing then is an ongoing creatio ex nihilo.

A net zero is still creation, but God ended creating on the 7th day by resting (i.e. ceasing) from all His work.

If the Casmir Effect and that other thing you mentioned are science, then they can take a hike if they violate Scripture.

That's the way I feel about it.

IMO Your interpretation can also take a hike

 

[Nostromo]

If the Casmir Effect and that other thing you mentioned are science, then they can take a hike if they violate Scripture.

How exactly does that work?

"Hey, come look at this!"

"Ignore that son, if it ain't in the Bible, it's not really happening"

 

[Jnwaco]

So in the other thread you're saying that God created the universe in a dimension outside time, whereas here you're saying that it's only the things inside the universe that were created.

Could you just clear it up for me and tell me what it is that you actually believe, and why scientists confirming Plasma Cosmology would change your mind while the Big Bang would not, despite the fact it seems to fit better with your religion?

I've made it clear - I believe we don't know the ultimate nature of God with respect to time. Whether he is atemporal or infinitely temporal. Also, as I've said, whatever theories scientists come up with have precisely the same issues. I'm not certain that the plasma cosmology has been accepted terribly well.

 

[Ellinas]

If God created everything then who created God? What is he made of. In the Bible it clearly states that God crated us unto his image and likeness; This means that he looks human and has human traits. Thus he is made of matter. Really now! Nice story but no credibility!

Let us leave science to continue making things like weather satellites, cat scanners, MRI machines, lifesaving medicines, etc, and leave religion out of it.

After all once we pass the age of 7 we stop believing in fairy tales!

 

[Nathan Poe]

I already do - Plasma Cosmology and Jesus.

You accept Jesus as scientific? How odd. Most folks prefer that "personal relationship" thing they keep touting.

 

[AV1611VET]

If the Casmir Effect and that other thing you mentioned are science, then they can take a hike if they violate Scripture.

How exactly does that work?

"Hey, come look at this!"

"Ignore that son, if it ain't in the Bible, it's not really happening"

Is that what I said, Nostromo?

Do you know the difference between, "If it violates Scripture" and "If it ain't in the Bible"?

 

[Nathan Poe]

What you're proposing then is an ongoing creatio ex nihilo.

A net zero is still creation, but God ended creating on the 7th day by resting (i.e. ceasing) from all His work.

If the Casmir Effect and that other thing you mentioned are science, then they can take a hike if they violate Scripture.

That's the way I feel about it.

Luckily, nobody cares about how you feel, and choose only to discuss these things with you for entertainment value and amusing the lurkers.

 

[AV1611VET]

If God created everything then who created God?

No one --- God is self-existing.

What is he made of.

Unobtanium

 

[AV1611VET]

Luckily, nobody cares about how you feel, and choose only to discuss these things with you for entertainment value and amusing the lurkers.

If it wasn't for trolls, I wouldn't have anyone responding at all --- is that what you're saying?

(I have one that likes to follow me around. I get the feeling he can't make up his mind if he's a troll or a stalker. )

 

[sandwiches]

No one --- God is self-existing.Unobtanium

How do you know this and how do you know this information is accurate?

 

[SkyWriting]

If God created everything then who created God?

Science does not allow for matter from nothing, intelligence where there is none, or spontaneous complexity and order.

Science demands a first cause for all these things. That is a non-natural power and intelligence. Or Super-Natural or unscientific explanation.

It's just like quantum physics. At some point you need a different explanation for things that uses different rules.
Origins of matter and life is that point.

 

[sandwiches]

Science does not allow for matter from nothing, intelligence where there is none, or spontaneous complexity and order.

Science demands a first cause for all these things. That is a non-natural power and intelligence. Or Super-Natural or unscientific explanation.

I was mostly with you here until that emphasized, baseless assumption.

 

[Jnwaco]

So Sandwiches, what do you think happened?

 

[sandwiches]

So Sandwiches, what do you think happened?

I answered you here, since it's more or less the same answer: http://www.christianforums.com/t7436830-7/#post54061304