Some Evangelical Christians evangelizing in predominantly Christian countries

[lionroar0]

US History Encyclopedia: Anti-Catholicism


Bigotry against Roman Catholics, as well as the ideas that have rationalized such bigotry, have long been elements in North American politics and popular culture. Like racism and anti-Semitism, anti-Catholicism is a fluid, international phenomenon buttressed by political, cultural, and intellectual justifications; like them, anti-Catholicism has served as a means of ostracizing a social group to consolidate political and cultural power in other groups. Additionally, just as historians trace the origins of racism to the early modern period, so too anti-Catholicism dates from this period—a legacy of Reformation-era disputes and of the European religious wars prior to 1648. (With origins in the ancient world, anti-Semitism dates much farther back.) A distinguishing mark of anti-Catholicism is that it developed in tandem with the modern papacy, a religio-political institution whose activities were widely perceived as threats to non-Catholic religious and secular authorities. Significantly, since Roman Catholics were the largest U.S. religious denomination after about 1870, anti-Catholicism was thereafter aimed at a religious plurality, not a religious minority, within the national population.

 

[lionroar0]

How well did that go over and what caused it? Was it evangelism?

Obviously not the puritans who fled to the New World and had their own religious intolerant colonies.

 

[Secundulus]

How well did that go over and what caused it? Was it evangelism?

Google St. Thomas More or St. John Fisher (Bishop).

They were martyred by a Protestant King because they refused to recognize him as head of the Church.

It must have worked pretty well. England became Protestant.

 

[Gleb Yakunin]

yes, and what brought the anti-catholic feeling on. Perhaps past experience, and now we have a new and improved RCC, Vatican II.

 

[Secundulus]

yes, and what brought the anti-catholic feeling on. Perhaps past experience, and now we have a new and improved RCC, Vatican II.

So, killing people is godly when done by Protestants to force them away from the Catholic Church?

And, FWIW, the anti-Catholic feeling that caused the martyrs I mentioned above was a result of a king wanting a new wife.

Is having 6 wives (killing two of them to put them out of the way) a Protestant ideal to kill for?

 

[abigale]

Where secularism reigns supreme God is not part of the equation, so why pretend that you are having a Christian discussion?

 

[MamaZ]

Well the problem with people believing they are the head of the church is where alot of problems come in. There is only one head of the Body of Christ and that is Christ himself that Heads His body

 

[Secundulus]

Where secularism reigns supreme God is not part of the equation, so why pretend that you are having a Christian discussion?

Your own denomination traces its roots to what I posted above.

Was God not part of its equation?

 

[Thekla]

also my dear brother, was it the Byzatines and later Catholics who went and fought a 'just war' to spread the Word. Now that was some evangelism scheme?

There is no "Just War" theory or theology in the EO ...

so this is an historical mistake.

 

[Gleb Yakunin]

So, killing people is godly when done by Protestants to force them away from the Catholic Church?

And, FWIW, the anti-Catholic feeling that caused the martyrs I mentioned above was a result of a king wanting a new wife.

Is having 6 wives (killing two of them to put them out of the way) a Protestant ideal to kill for?

"So,killing people is godly......Catholic Church." This is your statement, not mine.

 

[abigale]

Your own denomination traces its roots to what I posted above.

Was God not part of its equation?

Real Christians follow Christ, it doesn't matter what church they go to. Whether it's killing emotionally, intellectually or morally, those who do those things will be judged by God. And those who are oppressed need to leave behind the things that advocate any killing. But like Jesus said,' they go to the ends of the earth to make one worse than they ever were'

 

[Thekla]

They came to the USA leaving their jurisdiction. America was founded by those seeking religous freedom and toleration. Protestants.

And did not demonstrate religious tolerance:

This is evidenced in the Mayflower Compact which seemed to show religious tolerance to those passengers who did not share the convictions of the Pilgrims. Conversely, the Puritans felt a great need to work within the political realm as much as the spiritual in order to bring both areas under the control of the guiding principles of the Bible. The religious intolerance of the Puritan political machine was well known for the persecution those who did not agree.

Are Pilgrims and Puritans the Same: Different Religious Beliefs, Philosophy, Politics, and Geography

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And since America is the melting pot that it is, the OC followed to administer to the faithful in a new country, problem is, the country was Protestant and the OC began to envangelize right in the backyard.

Who does the OC send missionaries to? Pagans? You know as well as I, the OC does not think that the Protestants are Christians and vice-versa.

Another misunderstanding ...

The OC does not think Christians who are not members of the OC are OC; it does not say they are not Christian.

The first EOrthodox in the contiguous US was in the Virginia Colony, a convert from the UK.

The Russians owned Alaska, and thus Russian citizens went there for trading, etc. The ROC followed, to supply priests to her people.

There, the Natives were ministered to by request of the Native people. Consider, during the 19th c. Smallpox epidemic, the Russians administered Smallpox vaccine to the indigenous people (not done tmk in the USA).

 

[Secundulus]

"So,killing people is godly......Catholic Church." This is your statement, not mine.

That's not my statement.

Truth in history has a way of deflating the balloons of false righteousness that abound in this forum.

 

[Gleb Yakunin]

There is no "Just War" theory or theology in the EO ...

so this is an historical mistake.

Augustine, I believe had such an idea and taught the theology of 'just war'. . He may have been of the West, but in his day there was one Church, right?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

"So,killing people is godly......Catholic Church." This is your statement, not mine.

Beware the Beast

Matt 23:34 "Because of this behold! I am Commissioning toward ye Prophets and Wise-men and Scribes. Out of them ye shall be killing/apokteneite <615> (5692) and ye shall be crucifying.
And out of them ye shall be scourging in the Synagogues of ye and ye shall be persecuting/persuing from city into city"
[Matt 24:9/Reve 11:7]

Reve 11:7 And whenever they should be finishing the testimony of them, the beast, the one ascending out of the Abyss, shall be doing with them, battle and shall be conquering them and it shall be killing/apoktenei <615> (5692) them

 

[Secundulus]

Augustine, I believe had such an idea and taught the theology of 'just war'. . He may have been of the West, but in his day there was one Church, right?

Do you believe there is no just war?

 

[Gleb Yakunin]

That's not my statement.

Truth in history has a way of deflating the balloons of false righteousness that abound in this forum.

post #532 isn't yours? Yes, you seem to be attempting to deflate a balloon or two. Especially if you say #532 is not yours

 

[Secundulus]

post #532 isn't yours? Yes, you seem to be attempting to deflate a balloon or two. Especially if you say #532 is not yours

532 is your post. http://www.christianforums.com/t7433483-54/#post54004026

 

[Gleb Yakunin]

Do you believe there is no just war?

In an attempt to stay within OP, peaceful evangelism is a good thing, war is not.

 

[Thekla]

Augustine, I believe had such an idea and taught the theology of 'just war'. . He may have been of the West, but in his day there was one Church, right?

The east does not have "Augustinian theology" ... we do not accept his teachings. He is a Saint for his deep repentance. If we do not accept or live his teachings, how can they be said to be part of us ?
It would be like saying the UCC (descended from the Congregationalists, who descended from the Pilgrims) believes that Quakers and Baptists should be persecuted - because the pilgrims persecuted them.

In the east, war is considered always evil. It is sometimes a necessary evil, where defense is called for, but it is still evil.