This Thread Will End All Debate On The Sabbath Once And For All

[Hentenza]

the problem your failing to see is the vast majority of statements made in the GoT are either exactly the same as hsi statements in other gospels or there extremely similar in a belief statement.. using a perverse method of interperation its easy to say they're not however a person who has truly come to the holy spirit can easily discern truth from fiction, I know your going to rally against me and say I the 1 man cannot have more or less "connection with the holy spirit" then you the plethora, to that however I saw I have been given 6 prophecys by the Holy Spirit 5 of which have come to pass the last of which has an exact date attached to it that has yet to come .. to this I'm sure you'll say what were these marvelous prophecys and to you I say they pertained strictly to my life.. outside of the Holy Spirit telling me my girlfriends grandmother was going to die.. (she did so 2 months later) anyways my point is I've been guided in a certain direction through divine intervetion and "all roads lead to rome" so to speak.. everything I've come across through it has said "keep the laws of the OT, keep the sabbath and reject all those in opposition" thus I have kept them and will continue to do so.. I have been given the purpose of my life to be that of a man who is here to take other people out of blindness to reveal the lies placed in front of their face.. To sum this up I guess I need to explain the easiest way to spot a liar from a man speaking the truth.. if you look at mans statements and find he has something to gain from them he is likely lying, however if you find a man who is telling you something and stands to gain nothing that man is telling you the truth.. to apply that to this I stand to lose friends and alienate people by telling you your beliefs are corrupted.. and I stand to gain a much stricter life without things I use to enjoy such as shrimp by following this path.. What do you stand to gain by yours? The luxury of being able to do whatever you want, to not worry about consequences and to serve mammon because your availability isn't hindered at your job..

Over half of the 114 sayings in the GoT do not appear anywhere in scripture and are unique to GoT.

 

[Thekla]

The beatitudes say that only the pure in heart will see God. We can seek His face, but most of prosperity gospel worshippers seek His hand. Moses wanted to see His glory, so God put him in the cleft of the Rock, and Moses was able to look at God's back, as He passed by, putting His hand over His front. This is significant of us only seeing the Lord's back as we follow Him. Truly follow Him mind you.

It is understood by some that the Glory of God, and in general what was "seen" was not God the Father. As it was Christ Who taught that the Father could not be seen, I would tend to trust that. Paul taught that God was invisible.

 

[Hentenza]

It is understood by some that the Glory of God, and in general what was "seen" was not God the Father. As it was Christ Who taught that the Father could not be seen, I would tend to trust that.

Me too, I can't wait to see Him though.

 

[Thekla]

Me too, I can't wait to see Him though.

Lord have mercy +

 

[kenblaster5000]

the problem your failing to see is the vast majority of statements made in the GoT are either exactly the same as hisstatements in other gospels or there extremely similar in a belief statement.. using a perverse method of interperation its easy to say they're not.. however a person who has truly come to the holy spirit can easily discern truth from fiction, I know your going to rally against me and say I the 1 man cannot have more or less "connection with the holy spirit" then you the plethora, to that however I saw I have been given 6 prophecys by the Holy Spirit 5 of which have come to pass the last of which has an exact date attached to it that has yet to come .. to this I'm sure you'll say what were these marvelous prophecys and to you I say they pertained strictly to my life.. outside of the Holy Spirit telling me my girlfriends grandmother was going to die.. (she did so 2 months later) anyways my point is I've been guided in a certain direction through divine intervetion and "all roads lead to rome" so to speak.. everything I've come across through it has said "keep the laws of the OT, keep the sabbath and reject all those in opposition" thus I have kept them and will continue to do so.. I have been given the purpose of my life to be that of a man who is here to take other people out of blindness to reveal the lies placed in front of their face.. To sum this up I guess I need to explain the easiest way to spot a liar from a man speaking the truth.. if you look at mans statements and find he has something to gain from them he is likely lying, however if you find a man who is telling you something and stands to gain nothing that man is telling you the truth.. to apply that to this I stand to lose friends and alienate people by telling you your beliefs are corrupted.. and I stand to gain a much stricter life without things I use to enjoy such as shrimp by following this path.. What do you stand to gain by yours? The luxury of being able to do whatever you want, to not worry about consequences and to serve mammon because your availability isn't hindered at your job..

You are a liar, and you are deceived. If anyone comes to prophesy to lead you away from your God, that man must be stoned. Should we stone you according to the law?

 

[VictorC]

Perhaps he doesn't know how to quote?

That doesn't concern me nearly as the inability to respond to simple direct questions. Methinks a pattern of obfuscation is necessary to make the point required from comic book theological sources.

 

[kenblaster5000]

It is understood by some that the Glory of God, and in general what was "seen" was not God the Father. As it was Christ Who taught that the Father could not be seen, I would tend to trust that. Paul taught that God was invisible.

Jesus said that if you have seen Him, you have seen the Father. But, blessed are those who have not seen me, yet believe.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You are a liar, and you are deceived. If anyone comes to prophesy to lead you away from your God, that man must be stoned. Should we stone you according to the law?

John 10:33 Answered Him, the Judeans saying "about a good work not We are Stoning Thee; but about blasphemy; and that Thou, being a man, are making thyself a God/Elohiym/qeon <2316> ".

Reve 16:21 And Hail great as talent-weight/talantiaia <5006> is descending out of the Heaven upon the Men.
And blaspheme the God the Men out of the blow of the Hail, that great is the blow of it/her, tremendous.

Reve 16 and Great Hail question - Christian Forums
Reve 16 and Great Hail question

 

[help_the_lord]

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[kenblaster5000]

I have to be honest with you I don't care if you perceive me as a liar nor will I ever care what you think, I do not come to lead you away but to become closer.. I want you to obey his laws not reject them, and I want you to understand that grace isn't what your perceive it and is not obtained just through believing.. its something obtained through works and is gained when due not just because you want it.. I know your going to reject my statements and thats cool to it's not in my power to make everyone understand nor should I assume such to be the case.. I do say though that you should consider the reason I made this thread, It was not to promote this Gospel it was to promote the sabbath.. you really need to think before you speak and not let your emotions guide your words.. have a blessed day and please refrain from vile comments for Jesus said "it is not what goes in ones mouth that defiles him its what comes out"

Well, according to the law, eating shrimp would defile the body, but all food is good if taken in thansgiving. If what comes out of the mouth defiles the body, then the lies you are deceived by though they do not come out of your mouth on this forum are defiling yours.

For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 1 Timothy 4:4

 

[VictorC]

I do say though that you should consider the reason I made this thread, It was not to promote this Gospel it was to promote the sabbath..

At least there is a modicum of honesty remaining.

You do realize that Sinai isn't compatible with the new covenant in Christ's adoption as His children, don't you? That's the reason we are commanded to cast it off according to Galatians 4:30, because "the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman", meaning those who remain unredeemed from the covenant law that ordained the sabbath will not inherit eternal life.

 

[kenblaster5000]

If I draw nigh to Him, He will draw nigh to me. That is my decision. You cannot drive the sheep. You must lead them.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

At least there is a modicum of honesty remaining.

You do realize that Sinai isn't compatible with the new covenant in Christ's adoption as His children, don't you? That's the reason we are commanded to cast it off according to Galatians 4:30, because "the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman", meaning those who remain unredeemed from the covenant law that ordained the sabbath will not inherit eternal life.

Gala 4:30 but what saith the Writing? Be Casting Out!/ekbale <1544> (5628) the maid-servant and her son, for the son of the maid-servant may not be heir with the son of the free-one;'

Reve 11:2 and the Court/Fold, the one with out of the Sanctuary, be you Casting Out/ekbale <1544> (5628) out-side/exw <1854> and not her you should be measuring, that she was given to the nations.

The Court in Revelation 11:2 - Christian Forums
The Court in Revelation 11:2

 

[kenblaster5000]

Great earthquake around October or November of this year. Mark it. Sorry if it does not come to pass.

 

[help_the_lord]

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Great earthquake around October or November of this year. Mark it. Sorry if it does not come to pass.

Where at?

Ezekiel 38:19 "And in My jealously in fire of rage of Me I speak if not in that day, shall become a great quake on ground of Israel"?

Reve 16:18 and became lightnings and thunders and voices and a great quake became such-as not became since the men became upon the land, such proportion a quake thus great.

 

[help_the_lord]

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[LittleLambofJesus]

sir to put it bluntly you are blind.. you dont realise what the new covenant is even pretaining to.. its casting away the law of sin and death and the ceremonial laws of pharasises.. if your not familiar with the law of sin and death.. read the punishments set forth by moses for sinning.. you will see these people who break levitical laws are suppsoed to be killed.. thus sin and death.. it also makes mention in hebrews 10 that the new covenant is doing away with sacrafice.. however nowhere does it say anything else is gone.. I don't care why you think your right.. your not.. and thats all that there is to it..

What about Ezekiel 39:12

Matthew 3:7 Being aware yet many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming upon the baptism of him he said to them "produce of vipers! who shows to ye to be fleeing from the being about/melloushV <3195> (5723) Wrath

Matt 23:33 "Serpents! produce of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging of the geennhV <1067> "

Ezekiel 39:12 And house of Israel bury them so that to purify/cleanse the Land seven months. And all of people of the Land bury them.
And He becomes to them for a Name, Day of to be glorified Me, declaration of my Lord YHWH.
[Revelation 19:17]

 

[VictorC]

sir to put it bluntly you are blind.. you dont realise what the new covenant is even pretaining to.. its casting away the law of sin and death and the ceremonial laws of pharasises.. if your not familiar with the law of sin and death.. read the punishments set forth by moses for sinning.. you will see these people who break levitical laws are suppsoed to be killed.. thus sin and death.. it also makes mention in hebrews 10 that the new covenant is doing away with sacrafice.. however nowhere does it say anything else is gone.. I don't care why you think your right.. your not.. and thats all that there is to it..

Okay, wipe the drool off your chin and pay attention for once.

Your first reference to the law of sin and death comes from Romans 7 - but that "another law" isn't introduced until rather late in the chapter. This chapter was written to those who actually know the law: "for I speak to those who know the law" (verse 1). Romans 7 then goes on to explain what we have been delivered from, by quoting the law:

6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, &#8220;You shall not covet.&#8221;

The use of "the law" is consistent in this passage, and it isn't sin and death. It quotes from the law, identifying "the law" we have been delivered from as the Sinai covenant: "You shall not covet" comes from Exodus 20:17 and Deuteronomy 5:21, found in the ten commandments, and nowhere else.

Hebrews 10:1-9 explain how God has no pleasure in the ordinances that required the burnt offerings, among which is the sabbath, according to the law itself in Numbers 28:9-10. The "first" that Jesus Christ takes away is the covenant from Sinai, the ten commandments (see Deuteronomy 4:12-13), and this passage does a double-whammy on the sabbath as the ordinance that is taken away.

It would seem that you do not know the law.
Now that I have your attention, refer to the event that initiated the new covenant, when the former covenant of Sinai was taken away, by looking at Hebrews 9:15-17:

15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.

And if you would be so kind, please return to the initial question I asked you when I first entered this thread:

I stumbled across the gospel of Thomas earlier today in what I believe to be divine intervention.. as I have been begreived over people arguing about the Sabbath lately.. The Gospel of Thomas is respected as having divine authorship however was not included into the NT cannon because they chose to only include 4 versions.. The gospel of Thomas if you are not familiar is a collection of Jesus's sayings.. this being the one that can finally put an end to this discussion once and for all.

27 "If you do not fast from the world, you will not find the (Father's) domain. If you do not observe the sabbath as a sabbath you will not see the Father."

This "gospel" message contains a number of contradictions to Scripture, that would prohibit it from inclusion to canon. But turning a blind eye to the problems that it has, there is another approach you can use to determine if your selected quote carries any weight.

Return to your quote's source, and determine when the statement concerning the sabbath was given.
Was this statement made before or after the death of the Testator, Who inaugurated the new covenant with His death?
In other words, was this statement made to the children of Israel during the tenure of the Mosaic covenant, or does the statement carry any impact to the church in the new covenant era?

Answering this question honestly will reveal that this suspect quote does not support the sabbath today.

 

[help_the_lord]

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