Non-RC views of election of Pope and smoke

[LittleLambofJesus]

How do non-RCs, including the EO/OO feel about the way the RCC elects their Popes using the Cardinals?
And where and when did this tradition start? Thanks


Black smoke rises from the chimney of the Sistine Chapel meaning that cardinals failed to elect a new pope in the first ballot of their secret conclave at the Vatican City.[AFP]

 

[Anglian]

Dear LLOJ,

It is a tradition of some antiquity, so I can see no problem.

The Coptic tradition is based on the way the Apostles chose Judas' successor. When the Synod has three names they are put into a bag and a choice is then made - we believe this is guided by the Holy Spirit. I told you we were a conservative lot

peace,

Anglian

 

[MrPolo]

I can't be sure, but there seems to be confusion that the smoke has something to do with the election itself. Just to be clear, the smoke is only a signal of what the clergy inside the building decided.

 

[PaladinValer]

It is a minor tradition, one that is not objected to by Holy Scripture or by Holy Tradition.

While I disagree with the concept of Papacy, I don't see any theological problem, as far as I know, in their way of going about picking their new spiritual leader.

And I find myself echoing what MrPolo is going on about: what is so possibly objectionable about smoke? Why even mention it? Honestly, if someone actually as an issue with whether smoke and flame should be used as a signal to a choice already made, I must say it is a truly strange objection over such a (pardon me) truly patheticly minute point (and I do say that with all due respect to its actual practice; I only imply the minor importance of its role in the matter of choosing a new pope).

 

[Montalban]

Is the ballot secret?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Yes, the ballot is secret. That is why the ballots are burned after they are counted, creating the smoke.

Personally, if the Catholic Church wishes to select its Pope in this manner it is not at all an issue for myself. IMO it beats a hereditary papacy or a papacy in which the Pope anoints his own successor.

 

[Albion]

Yes, the ballot is secret. That is why the ballots are burned after they are counted, creating the smoke.

Personally, if the Catholic Church wishes to select its Pope in this manner it is not at all an issue for myself. IMO it beats a hereditary papacy or a papacy in which the Pope anoints his own successor.

The way the balloting for Pope goes has changed many times over the years, so I can't get very worked up about how the ballots are burned. That's done so that the observers outside can tell what's happened, nothing more.

My own "preference," is for elections of any and every bishop to be done in the historic and ancient way, which is to have the decision be made by the people (as is still the practice in the other Apostolic churches) rather than by church leaders.

 

[Anglian]

I quite like the Coptic method of selecting - which is by lot - just as the Apostles did.

peace,

Anglian

 

[bbbbbbb]

The way the balloting for Pope goes has changed many times over the years, so I can't get very worked up about how the ballots are burned. That's done so that the observers outside can tell what's happened, nothing more.

My own "preference," is for elections of any and every bishop to be done in the historic and ancient way, which is to have the decision be made by the people (as is still the practice in the other Apostolic churches) rather than by church leaders.

I agree with your preference.

 

[Athanasias]

I always thought it was kinda neat the way the pope was selected.

 

[Anglian]

Dear Athanasias,

Indeed. I see your faith icon is back to Catholic. I hope all is well with you?

peace,

Anglian

 

[boswd]

Dear Athanasias,

Indeed. I see your faith icon is back to Catholic. I hope all is well with you?

peace,

Anglian

I noticed that too, yesterday he comes out both barrells blazing and today back to being a Catholic?

Was this a socio-experiment or do we have a male version of PaladinGirl?

 

[boswd]

The way the balloting for Pope goes has changed many times over the years, so I can't get very worked up about how the ballots are burned. That's done so that the observers outside can tell what's happened, nothing more.

My own "preference," is for elections of any and every bishop to be done in the historic and ancient way, which is to have the decision be made by the people (as is still the practice in the other Apostolic churches) rather than by church leaders.

How is the ArchBishop of Cantabury selected?

 

[Anglian]

How is the ArchBishop of Cantabury selected?

Dear boswd,

Until about a decade ago the Patronage Secretary to the Prime Minister advised the PM from a list selected by 'consultation'. Now I believe that a number of names are put before the Head of the Church - the Queen.

peace,

Anglian

 

[boswd]

Dear boswd,

Until about a decade ago the Patronage Secretary to the Prime Minister advised the PM from a list selected by 'consultation'. Now I believe that a number of names are put before the Head of the Church - the Queen.

peace,

Anglian

Oh wow that's very interesting.
Any good links for some study on this. I find the history of the Church of England to be quite fascinating.
Sorry for the off topic.

 

[Albion]

How is the ArchBishop of Cantabury selected?

That would be something for an Englishman to answer, I suppose, but I'll say this. Bishops in the Roman Church are selected by the hierarchy, not the people; it's not just the pope chosen that way. In the other Apostolic churches, it varies somewhat, but the ancient method is generally maintained of there being a vote of the people or their elected representatives in convention. The sole exception I can think of offhand would be the Archbishop of Canterbury who, as you know, does not in any way have the position that the pope of Rome does. But that is all tangled up in English law and doesn't operate in the other Anglican churches I'm familiar with--including my own.

 

[Anglian]

I noticed that too, yesterday he comes out both barrells blazing and today back to being a Catholic?

Was this a socio-experiment or do we have a male version of PaladinGirl?

I am glad to say it is not the latter. I shall let our friend speak for himself though.

On the CofE, do try the Archbishop's website
The Archbishop of Canterbury - Archbishop of Canterbury Home Page

peace,

Anglian

 

[boswd]

I am glad to say it is not the latter. I shall let our friend speak for himself though.

On the CofE, do try the Archbishop's website
The Archbishop of Canterbury - Archbishop of Canterbury Home Page

peace,

Anglian

Thanks Anglian

and God bless ya for being back, a voice of reason is always a welcome change around here

 

[Anglian]

Thanks Anglian

and God bless ya for being back, a voice of reason is always a welcome change around here

Tahnk you.

Good to be back - I was away from computers for a while,

peace,

Anglian

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I always thought it was kinda neat the way the pope was selected.

Me too