Can a Sociopath Become a Christian?

[oneofchrists]

I have Been thinking about this lately, as to whether or not a sociopath( or aggressively anti social individual can become a Christian?

I feel that a sociopathic personality lacks the ability to care for his or her fellow man so I wonder if it is possible for folks like these can actually enter the Kingdom of Heaven. What do You think? God Bless You all ....Dave

 

[trentlogain2]

Yes.


If God can reach down and save a devil worshipping, maniacal killer like "the son of sam", David Berkwitz. ----> http://thesonofhope.com/

And if God can save someone such as myself, then He can redeem anyone.

 

[Hentenza]

I don't see why not. Salvation is God's work so He can save who He wills and change their hearts.

 

[oneofchrists]

I don't see why not. Salvation is God's work so He can save who He wills and change their hearts.

I do agree with You in the promise and the principal of the Gospel, But...

I put that out there as there is an underlying factor to their state of mind. That is They are without feeling or compassion, and in order for them to get along in society they must mimic and emulate behavior, So if they are only emulating or aping what others do that is not coming from their own heart it is just a mechanism to allow them not to stand out.

I believe sociopaths, the ones that are not institutionalized, at any rate, must try and gain favor from others in order for them to acquire what they deem essential in their lives.

I feel that they, must deceive in order to gain it is the badge of a sociopath....The only more severe and even more heinous, are the psychopaths of which We could also get into...God Bless You Brother ...Dave

 

[dies-l]

God can save anyone. It is worth noting, however, that such a person who is saved will not remain a sociopath. One cannot genuinely experience the love and Grace of God and yet remain violently anti-social. That is the beautiful thing about Grace: He changes us because He loves us, rather than expecting us to change to earn His love.

 

[oneofchrists]

Yes and Praise God! God can heal Us from all of our diseases Amen!?

Isn't amazing How al of the Doctors and psychologists and psychiatrists, social workers, judges, law enforcement and what have You cant seem to get a handle on these very severely troubled individuals and God can.

This is Utopian thinking ,but what if all of these Doctors and psychologists and psychiatrists, social workers, judges, law enforcement all referred these individuals to Jesus. Perhaps with good mentors and Christian counseling from born again believers, all these souls that are institutionalized could be stricken from their books.

What do You think?? God Bless You! dies-1 ...Your brother in Christ....Dave

 

[spr]

All this talk of psychopaths and sociopaths is nonsense. Christianity rises above all that jargon. Paul himself was a murderer, he himself admitted that he didn't deserve to be shown the abundant grace of God. If you judge those who have social problems, or those who are unfortunate enough to have to live with the fact that they took another's life, you will be judged by that judgement.

 

[oneofchrists]

spr! I don't lack compassion for any man or woman and I am also convicted to do what I can for those who I cross paths with or those who come My way.

This thread was Put forward to get a feeling from all who wish to contribute, but I don't like the tone that You consider all this nonsense, it is a topic for discussion, and that is the extent of it Brother. There is no out ward or inward malice in any way toward these individuals from Me...and You can believe that ! that's for sure, it's just conversation.....God Bless You Brother SPR and any who read these threads....Dave

 

[spr]

I can't say that I see what you're getting at wanting to discuss it. What is there to discuss exactly? Think of how this would go over with people in the mental health forum(s). How could it be any less troublesome here?

 

[Hentenza]

I can't say that I see what you're getting at wanting to discuss it. What is there to discuss exactly? Think of how this would go over with people in the mental health forum(s). How could it be any less troublesome here?

Intellectual exercises can be fun and educational. The OP has the right to ask the question.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

I have Been thinking about this lately, as to whether or not a sociopath( or aggressively anti social individual can become a Christian?

I feel that a sociopathic personality lacks the ability to care for his or her fellow man so I wonder if it is possible for folks like these can actually enter the Kingdom of Heaven. What do You think? God Bless You all ....Dave

Dave,

Saul persecuted the early Christians, dragging them to prison to die for their beliefs, until Jesus met him on the road, and Saul became Paul! No - I am not saying Paul was a sociopath, but hearts are changed on a dime by our Lord Jesus Christ!

God bless,
Jeff

 

[oneofchrists]

I would like to thank You folks for expressing Your views and it is true a mighty God that We have is indeed fully able to save even the most vial and evil individual . He can turn them on their heal and they can Change but they have to want to.

I would like to know as it is in these folks that I have brought up as to the subject of our conversation , What kind of atmosphere would be most fertile in order that the Lord could indeed bring someone like this to Himself??

You would most likely agree with Me, that there would have to be an environment that would be conducive, in order for such a person to ask Jesus into His or Her heart. Be it emulating other Christians, That is not a stretch at all, because I feel that Churches are Full of them, We might Not know it, but God does...They could Be Your best friend.

So is there a point where it is only an act, on their behalf but they in turn go through all the Motions even expressing and showing emotions while only really just acting...What do You think....God Bless ...Dave

 

[spr]

Where are the good individuals?

Matthew 19:16-17 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

 

[oneofchrists]

I've got Ya SPR I know what You are saying...no problem with that...Just trying to get varying points of view.

You seem to have a problem With this question that I have presented, and You have expressed so much a few posts earlier. If I didn't Know better I would say that You are taking all this quite personally?...Am I wrong or???God Bless you and Get back to Me Please either directly or personal a message

 

[nobdysfool]

I am saddened to see that at least some here still cling to the idea that man can change himself. Only God can change a man's nature. If God changes the sociopath's nature, saving him by that change (and the man's response as a result of that changed nature), then he is a former sociopath who has been saved by God's Grace, not by any action of his own doing. No man can clean himself up to make himself acceptable to God. NO MAN!

With man, this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

 

[oneofchrists]

With God all things are indeed possible , but does the emulator of a Christlike attitude have the right heart , does his heart not have to be breaking ,pure and contrite? does this happen before God saves him ? I say yes.

But does God save Him even though there is no inward change in this person??

I only ask these questions, as many can be deceiving them selves with Satan's help. They think that entrance into heaven requires nothing on their part not even a true faith in the Savior only an act, just mimicry of His true Brother or Sister in Christ.

Or perhaps We could look at it this way, He really does not believe, and We are able to understand that easier...He does not believe but He wants others to think that he does! Maybe that is the true answer to My own question?, What do You think....Dave
P.S. Don't misunderstand Me, I am only posing questions, I won't appreciate it if someone lamb bastes Me for Trying to to look at all of the angles... I don't think it is a sin to think on these things do You?

 

[ashout]

the sociopath would have to repent first.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

the sociopath would have to repent first.

I disagree - true Spiritual based repentence (which is the only real repentence) can only occur after regeneration by the Holy Spirit.

 

[oneofchrists]

So am I to Understand that No inward change in a man or a woman to cause that man or woman to come to repentance is necessary?

True repentance comes from the Heart correct? This repentance is not of the urging of the Holy Spirit?...Lets keep this dialogue going at least until I can fully understand...Thanks, God Loves You all and may We receive blessings from Learning what His Holy word tells us...Dave

 

[GrampaJeff]

This is a very interesting subject.
Question #1: Do we attribute this state as being due to man's fallen nature?
Question #2: Do we attribute this state as a type of demonic influence or possession?
Question #3: Do we attribute this state as a hereditary or medical problem.
Or all/none of the above? How do we know?
Christ can reach all areas of a persons condition regardless of the reasons.
The last I heard, Jesus is in the saving business. God Bess, Jeff