Taking questions on Embedded Age Creation

[Split Rock]

That's right --- appeal to authority.

Like Joshua failed to do and ended up having to put up with the Gibeonites for the rest of his life.

Nice dodge. Am I right or not that the real reason you refuse to even conside E.A. may be wrong is that you prayed and God told you it was.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Does your pastor have a Ph.D. in cosmology, geology, paleontology, microbiology, botany, biology, anthropology, or anything remotely related to science?

Then gibberish. Tell your pastor to stick to theology and divinity and quit filling your head with fables.

 

[Sanguis]

Ask your prophet.

Didn't he write The Preservation of Favoured Races under inspiration?

Doesn't he say that baby would be a "glorified ape"?The earth can be 6100 years old existentially, and 4.57 billion years old physically --- yes.

(I see I'm going to have to go dig up my bicycle thread that shows an object having two different ages, depending on how you look at it.)

"Prophet" implies there's some divine influence. Darwin had no divine influence, and "race" then was closer to "species" than it is now. Darwin made his conclusions based on observation, not divine intervention. Observation is the only one of the two that holds any real weight.

The baby isn't a "glorified ape", as a human baby, it's an ape, not glorified, just a species of ape. As a veloceraptor, it's a theropod dinosaur. It's quite clearly both.

Something can't be two different ages, which ever way you look at it. Maturity comes with age. Something can't mature without age.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nice dodge. Am I right or not that the real reason you refuse to even conside E.A. may be wrong is that you prayed and God told you it was.

No --- but what if I did?

Are you against prayer?

 

[Sanguis]

No --- but what if I did?

Are you against prayer?

One person acting physically can achieve more than 10,000 people praying.

 

[AV1611VET]

"Prophet" implies there's some divine influence. Darwin had no divine influence, and "race" then was closer to "species" than it is now. Darwin made his conclusions based on observation, not divine intervention. Observation is the only one of the two that holds any real weight.

If the word "divine" is confusing you, change it to "spiritual".

The baby isn't a "glorified ape", as a human baby, it's an ape, not glorified, just a species of ape. As a veloceraptor, it's a theropod dinosaur. It's quite clearly both.

Would I be right if I said birds are dinosaurs?

Something can't be two different ages, which ever way you look at it.

I disagree: 1.

 

[AV1611VET]

One person acting physically can achieve more than 10,000 people praying.

It depends on the prayer.

 

[Sanguis]

It depends on the prayer.

No it doesn't.

You could pray to your heart's content for anything, you'd still stand a much better chance at achieving it if you actually got up off your knees and did something constructive about it.

Prayer is no different from procrastination.

 

[Sanguis]

If the word "divine" is confusing you, change it to "spiritual".

Same difference. You ignored the point of the post.

Would I be right if I said birds are dinosaurs?

Yes, you would. In the same way we're apes, and wolves are dogs.

But not the same way tractors are attack helicopters and kids are veloceraptors.

I disagree: 1.

The new bicycle would be a few seconds old, it'd just be a really rubbish bicycle. The individual parts of it would be the same age too, they'd all be 35 years old.

 

[AV1611VET]

No it doesn't.

I received the gift of salvation by praying for it.

That's something 10,000 x 10,000 people couldn't do for me --- save me.

Yes, it does depend on what you're praying for.

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

 

[Sanguis]

I received the gift of salvation by praying for it.

That's something 10,000 x 10,000 people couldn't do for me --- save me.

Yes, it does depend on the prayer.

You keep telling yourself that prayer somehow grants you salvation from death.

You keep telling yourself that prayer holds any meaning whatsoever.

You keep telling yourself all this nonsense.

We'll keep laughing at you, and advancing mankind, with action, not prayer. We'll see who ends up taking their little fail boat and sailing down a certain creek, without a paddle, on their knees praying there are no waterfalls.

 

[CoderHead]

I disagree: 1.

But if you read through this, it clearly does nothing to prove your point. The bicycle is 35 years old because the parts of which it's constructed are all 35 years old. There is no "new" bicycle, just a reconfiguration of old bicycle parts. If I were to get this bicycle for Christmas, I wouldn't tell my friends it was a new bike.

And, since you're not implying that God created the "new" Earth out of older bits floating around the universe, it's nonsense.

 

[MoonLancer]

Would I be right if I said birds are dinosaurs?I

Well some might agree with you but i would not call dinosaurs birds outright, but i would say that at the time of dinosaurs, birds did not exist and over a long time some types of dinosaurs evolved into birds, where others went extinct.

 

[AV1611VET]

You keep telling yourself that prayer somehow grants you salvation from death.

You keep telling yourself that prayer holds any meaning whatsoever.

You keep telling yourself all this nonsense.

We'll keep laughing at you, and advancing mankind, with action, not prayer. We'll see who ends up taking their little fail boat and sailing down a certain creek, without a paddle, on their knees praying there are no waterfalls.

When the ride is over though, we'll see who gets off where.

 

[sandwiches]

I received the gift of salvation by praying for it.

That's something 10,000 x 10,000 people couldn't do for me --- save me.

Yes, it does depend on what you're praying for.

How did you know you received salvation?

 

[Sanguis]

When the ride is over though, we'll see who gets off where.

We both get off at the same place.

The difference is, you took that certain creek without a paddle, whereas I used logic and observation work out how lift works, built myself a helicopter (Or a tractor, they're both the same thing, apparently.) and flew there.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

How did you know you received salvation?

"Because god said it, I believe it, and that settles it."

 

[AV1611VET]

But if you read through this, it clearly does nothing to prove your point. The bicycle is 35 years old because the parts of which it's constructed are all 35 years old. There is no "new" bicycle, just a reconfiguration of old bicycle parts. If I were to get this bicycle for Christmas, I wouldn't tell my friends it was a new bike.

Like I said, it depends on how you look at it.

Either way would be correct.

And, since you're not implying that God created the "new" Earth out of older bits floating around the universe, it's nonsense.

My goal with that is to show that an object can have two different ages: one physical and one existential.

 

[CoderHead]

When the ride is over though, we'll see who gets off where.

Classic.

 

[AV1611VET]

How did you know you received salvation?

Did you read the verse I quoted?