TheCatholic
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The UN is a farce
It should be dismantled
It should be dismantled
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The UN is a farce
It should be dismantled
Didn't Scottland just release a convicted terrorist to a hero's welcome in Libya?
You have no credibility with me.
Didn't Scottland just release a convicted terrorist to a hero's welcome in Libya?
You have no credibility with me.
Fair enough. But let's face it: Islam is the Muslim world's worst enemy. You can't scorn science and education, treat women like dirt, declare holy wars at the drop of a hat--and expect to build a modern civilization.
I'll concede the Palestinians have suffered at the hands of Israel, but it is Islam, not Israel, that has done the most to retard Palestinian social, economic and technological progress.
I would like to see the Palestinians renounce Islam, /quote]
I love how you scorn Islam for being "anti-education" but yourself refuse to educate yourself on the topic at hand before you make such incorrect statements like this.
Islam has LITTLE to do with the Palestinian conflict. The conflict itself is mostly secular; the majority of Palestinian militant groups are left wing nationalists and not Islamic. Some of the most notorious and violent leaders in the Palestinian resistance have actually been Christian. Heck, Christian/Muslim relations in Palestine have generally been pretty good according to most reports (including those by the US Government).
Fair enough. But let's face it: Islam is the Muslim world's worst enemy. You can't scorn science and education, treat women like dirt, declare holy wars at the drop of a hat--and expect to build a modern civilization.
I'll concede the Palestinians have suffered at the hands of Israel, but it is Islam, not Israel, that has done the most to retard Palestinian social, economic and technological progress.
I would like to see the Palestinians renounce Islam, /quote]
I love how you scorn Islam for being "anti-education" but yourself refuse to educate yourself on the topic at hand before you make such incorrect statements like this.
Islam has LITTLE to do with the Palestinian conflict. The conflict itself is mostly secular; the majority of Palestinian militant groups are left wing nationalists and not Islamic. Some of the most notorious and violent leaders in the Palestinian resistance have actually been Christian. Heck, Christian/Muslim relations in Palestine have generally been pretty good according to most reports (including those by the US Government).
Exactly. Even though some organizations such as Hamas do have an Islamic agenda, other such as Fatah are based purely around Palestinian nationalism, with little in the way of religion. 90% of Palestinians are Muslim, yet you have to remember, 10% are Christian. This is not a battle of religion, but one of ethnicity- Jews vs Arabs, not Jews vs Muslims.
Didn't Scottland just release a convicted terrorist to a hero's welcome in Libya?
You have no credibility with me.
Punish, humiliate and terrorize the civilian population: this is Israel
And why can't a state be called terrorist ? your logic is flawed. An even handed approach by the USA requires a U-Turn in foreign policy and accepting Israel as what it is : a criminal apartheid regime.
What a disgusting thing to sayAnd why can't a state be called terrorist ? your logic is flawed. An even handed approach by the USA requires a U-Turn in foreign policy and accepting Israel as what it is : a criminal apartheid regime.
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I told you why people don't label Israel's action as "terrorist" - terrorism is used to describe the actions of non-state actors. That isn't "my logic" - that is how terrorism is defined.
You are displaying a remarkable lack of comprehension.
I told you why people don't label Israel's action as "terrorist" - terrorism is used to describe the actions of non-state actors. That isn't "my logic" - that is how terrorism is defined.
This argument is extremely fallacious. There is no "moral symmetry" whatsoever between israel's crimes and the palestinian resistance. There is no justification for genocide.I also told you that there is moral equivalency in the acts on both sides, I have not condoned any violent actions by either side in this dispute - Isreal killing civilians and Palestinians killing civilians are both unacceptable acts.
If you don't accept that both the Israelis and the Palestinians have done wrong and that they both have legitimate claims, then you are not helping the peace process. You are taking sides just as much as anyone that believes the Palestinians are all terrorists and Israel should wipe them out, and like someone that believes that you are not someone who has any interest in peace.
You are displaying a remarkable lack of comprehension.
I told you why people don't label Israel's action as "terrorist" - terrorism is used to describe the actions of non-state actors. That isn't "my logic" - that is how terrorism is defined. I also told you that there is moral equivalency in the acts on both sides, I have not condoned any violent actions by either side in this dispute - Isreal killing civilians and Palestinians killing civilians are both unacceptable acts.
If you don't accept that both the Israelis and the Palestinians have done wrong and that they both have legitimate claims, then you are not helping the peace process. You are taking sides just as much as anyone that believes the Palestinians are all terrorists and Israel should wipe them out, and like someone that believes that you are not someone who has any interest in peace.
It really is that simple - if you take a side, you aren't interested in real peace - you are interested in the domination of one side over the other.
I agree that policy in the region needs to change - however, it needs to change in such a way that reflects the fact that taking sides won't bring peace. Israel has been the favoured party from most western countries throughout the conflict. The correct response is to favour neither Israel nor Palestine over the other, not to shift support wholely onto Palestine.
This argument is extremely fallacious. There is no "moral symmetry" whatsoever between israel's crimes and the palestinian resistance. There is no justification for genocide.
You're not getting the point. There is the intention to kill on both sides. Just because Israel is better equipped, better trained and better at killing, and just because the Palestinian casualty rate is higher than the Israeli one, it doesn't mean the Palestinians are completely innocent.
I wonder why Israel was attacking? A dah! Maybe its called self defense. I notice that Israel doesn't go around using airliners to run into other countries buildings-maybe that is why they arn't labeled terrorist.
So what about the jews killing SS personnel in their ghettoes ? Does that mean that since there was intent to kill Germans on the jewish side, there is a moral symmetry between Nazi Germany and the genocide victims ? The answer is no, because german crimes far outweigh any crime perhaps commited by a jew defending his people in the ghetto.
In kind, israeli crimes far outweigh anything that is being done to the israelis.
This is consistent morality.