Corporal Punishment

[Zebra1552]

I support corporal punishment and will use it on my children

Go to any professional who works with kids and tell them that... watch their reaction. Good luck.

Addendum: That professionals view it as such should be a very, very large hint: there's many good reasons you don't do it. I feel this should be obvious.

 

[IAmTsalagi]

I support corporal punishment and will use it on my children

Sometimes it is necessary and other times it isn't.

 

[Zebra1552]

Here's something to stir the pot:
Spanking detrimental to children, study says - CNN.com

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Interesting article. I do agree that children under the age of 2 shouldn't be spanked. I found it very intriguing that they picked lower income families to study because "prior research suggested that spanking is more common among them, Berlin said. This may be because of the added stresses of parenting in a low-income situation, or because of a "cultural contagion" of behaviors among people. For example, in some families this study examined, a grandmother would spank a child, or neighbors would encourage physical discipline, she said."

Because of this, I view this research as contaminated. It seems as though they are showcasing parents who are spanking their children because they're fussy...which is not anywhere near a 'valid' reason for spanking.

It's also contaminated (I can't think of a better word...although I know there's a technical term for it. Someone help me, please) because they used lower-income families and they are basing part of the results on a test measuring thinking skills. There are SO many factors that can affect how a THREE year old scores on a test like that. I'm not sure you can really put together an argument that they did poorly because they were spanked.

At any rate, I still encourage spanking for the proper offensives, and at the proper age. One expert in the article maintains 2-6 to be the ideal years, and that sounds about right to me. The article didn't touch upon the reasons why these younger children were getting spankings, though, and that would've been good information to know.

 

[peacebwithu2]

In 90% of all cases spanking is useless teaches nothing ingenders anger and further rebellion ..In 90% of all cases there are better ways to discipline

However there are situations that spanking is a better choice and can provide some much needed intervention ,,A case would be that you told your 9 year old son to stop playing in the street with his friends he refuses to listen then by all means spank him .. the pain would not be what causes him to reconsider it would be the embarassment ..

If spanking is done it should never be done to a child who does not have some sense of right or wrong yet If at all possible other punishments should be used first spanking should not be a first resort nor a last resort

I believe that as a general rule spanking should stop at the age of 13 teens should not normally be spanked only in certain extraordinary situations would i advocate the spanking of a teenager and then it would be done in an appropriate manner .

 

[PreachersWife2004]

In 90% of all cases spanking is useless teaches nothing ingenders anger and further rebellion ..In 90% of all cases there are better ways to discipline

89% of statistics are made up (I just made that stat up) so could you give us citations for these stats?

However there are situations that spanking is a better choice and can provide some much needed intervention ,,A case would be that you told your 9 year old son to stop playing in the street with his friends he refuses to listen then by all means spank him .. the pain would not be what causes him to reconsider it would be the embarassment ..

I wouldn't spank a 9 year old. When my oldest was nine, he'd get grounded or privileges removed for something like that.

If spanking is done it should never be done to a child who does not have some sense of right or wrong yet If at all possible other punishments should be used first spanking should not be a first resort nor a last resort

If it works, wouldn't then that be the last resort? I guess I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Just throw spanking in there with the rest of the punishments until you find something that works?

I believe that as a general rule spanking should stop at the age of 13 teens should not normally be spanked only in certain extraordinary situations would i advocate the spanking of a teenager and then it would be done in an appropriate manner .

Most experts, like THIS one, agree that spanking much past 9 or 10 is ineffective.

 

[Zebra1552]

Interesting article. I do agree that children under the age of 2 shouldn't be spanked. I found it very intriguing that they picked lower income families to study because "prior research suggested that spanking is more common among them, Berlin said. This may be because of the added stresses of parenting in a low-income situation, or because of a "cultural contagion" of behaviors among people. For example, in some families this study examined, a grandmother would spank a child, or neighbors would encourage physical discipline, she said."

Because of this, I view this research as contaminated. It seems as though they are showcasing parents who are spanking their children because they're fussy...which is not anywhere near a 'valid' reason for spanking.

It's also contaminated (I can't think of a better word...although I know there's a technical term for it. Someone help me, please) because they used lower-income families and they are basing part of the results on a test measuring thinking skills. There are SO many factors that can affect how a THREE year old scores on a test like that. I'm not sure you can really put together an argument that they did poorly because they were spanked.

At any rate, I still encourage spanking for the proper offensives, and at the proper age. One expert in the article maintains 2-6 to be the ideal years, and that sounds about right to me. The article didn't touch upon the reasons why these younger children were getting spankings, though, and that would've been good information to know.

Um... you're not going to study the effects of spanking in a group of people who rarely spank (upper-middle class), because you're not going to get good results. So no, the research is not biased or framed.

 

[peacebwithu2]

89% of statistics are made up (I just made that stat up) so could you give us citations for these stats?



I wouldn't spank a 9 year old. When my oldest was nine, he'd get grounded or privileges removed for something like that.



If it works, wouldn't then that be the last resort? I guess I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Just throw spanking in there with the rest of the punishments until you find something that works?



Most experts, like THIS one, agree that spanking much past 9 or 10 is ineffective.

Well Preachers Wife i am expressing my views based on experience and personal observation perhaps you overlooked the subject heading which says ''my views ''?. I am not asking you or anyone to accept them i believe that people should think for themselves do their own research pray and then trust God and themselves to do what is right ..

Please do not take me unkind but i am extremely ill i am suffering from migraine and i am not really in the mood to answer questions but when i feel better ill be happy to ...

Nikolas
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[peacebwithu2]

now that i feel a wee bit better i will now answer your questions


89% of statistics are made up (I just made that stat up) so could you give us citations for these stats?

I was not offering statistics, i was saying that in my view 90% are useless that is based on my experience and personal observation i have no citations and i did make that figure up which i have a perfect right to do seeing that i am expressing an opinion and not an objectively verifiable fact ..

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I wouldn't spank a 9 year old.

I would without reservation .
When my oldest was nine, he'd get grounded or privileges removed for something like that.
Then i think you would be acting irresponsibly but again that is my opinion ,, And this a hypothetical situation so please refrain from taking offense when none is intended .
If it works, wouldn't then that be the last resort?
I dont see it that way Becky I dont think that any form of punishment is a solution .. That means tyranny not loving correction .
I guess I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

What i have said is rather plain I cannot help you further .

Just throw spanking in there with the rest of the punishments until you find something that works?

I did not say that Becky you are trying to bait me for an argument here and it isnt going to work .



Most experts, like THIS one, agree that spanking much past 9 or 10 is ineffective. I disagree with the experts then .. I dont think will loose sleep over it and neither will i .

I think i have answered your questions

 

[BlackSabb]

Um... you're not going to study the effects of spanking in a group of people who rarely spank (upper-middle class), because you're not going to get good results. So no, the research is not biased or framed.

That is an excellent point! And so true. It's mostly the poor and working class that "spank". Less and less so the further up the socioeconomic scale you go.

Why do you think that is?

 

[quatona]

I have already said it early in this thread:
Before we can meaningfully discuss whether "spanking" "works", "is effective", "productive" or is "necessary" we would have to mention the goals we have.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Um... you're not going to study the effects of spanking in a group of people who rarely spank (upper-middle class), because you're not going to get good results. So no, the research is not biased or framed.

Re-read your paragraph and tell me the research isn't biased again. What if I asked the question "what's your approval rating for Obama" but I only asked republicans? The stats would be skewed.

Well Preachers Wife i am expressing my views based on experience and personal observation perhaps you overlooked the subject heading which says ''my views ''?. I am not asking you or anyone to accept them i believe that people should think for themselves do their own research pray and then trust God and themselves to do what is right ..

Please do not take me unkind but i am extremely ill i am suffering from migraine and i am not really in the mood to answer questions but when i feel better ill be happy to ...

Nikolas
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when you use numbers like 90%, it usually indicates there's empirical evidence to follow. How can you know that 90% it fails? Maybe with you and your system of punishment it might fail, but doesn't necessarily mean it's that way for the rest of us...

I was not offering statistics, i was saying that in my view 90% are useless that is based on my experience and personal observation i have no citations and i did make that figure up which i have a perfect right to do seeing that i am expressing an opinion and not an objectively verifiable fact ..

Then you need to qualify and say that 90% in your experience. That makes a huge difference.

I would without reservation .

That's great and good for you.

Then i think you would be acting irresponsibly but again that is my opinion ,, And this a hypothetical situation so please refrain from taking offense when none is intended .

If removing a privilege stops the offending behavior, then I wouldn't call it acting irresponsibly. Spanking should be reserved for offenses that deserve it, not just the everyday nuances of a kid being a kid. Understand that me saying I don't spank =/= I don't punish.

I dont see it that way Becky I dont think that any form of punishment is a solution .. That means tyranny not loving correction .
What i have said is rather plain I cannot help you further .

Yeah, I'm still confused. You said spanking shouldn't be used as a first resort or a last resort. So it should be used as a middle resort? Let me ask you this, what would you consider to be spankable offenses? And who said anything about tyranny?

I did not say that Becky you are trying to bait me for an argument here and it isnt going to work .

No, I'm not trying to bait you into an argument. Asking questions to try to clarify what you are saying is not baiting. I was trying to make sense of what you said. I still haven't been able to. You said spanking shouldn't be used as a first resort or a last resort, but yet in the same post you said you would spank a 9 year old without reservation. That's a bit confusing.

I disagree with the experts then .. I dont think will loose sleep over it and neither will i .

This I can understand because there are time that I disagree with the experts.

I think i have answered your questions

Well, except for the "first resort/last resort" part. That's still throwing me for a loop. Maybe someone else can explain what you meant.

That is an excellent point! And so true. It's mostly the poor and working class that "spank". Less and less so the further up the socioeconomic scale you go.

Why do you think that is?

Well, when you think about kids like the Kardashians, the Richies, the Hiltons, it's fairly obvious to see that their kids aren't punished at all.

 

[Zebra1552]

That is an excellent point! And so true. It's mostly the poor and working class that "spank". Less and less so the further up the socioeconomic scale you go.

Why do you think that is?

Possibly because they are misinformed about how effective behavioral approaches to parenting are.

 

[peacebwithu2]

Re-read your paragraph and tell me the research isn't biased again. What if I asked the question "what's your approval rating for Obama" but I only asked republicans? The stats would be skewed.



when you use numbers like 90%, it usually indicates there's empirical evidence to follow. How can you know that 90% it fails? Maybe with you and your system of punishment it might fail, but doesn't necessarily mean it's that way for the rest of us...

Then you need to qualify and say that 90% in your experience. That makes a huge difference.

That's great and good for you.

If removing a privilege stops the offending behavior, then I wouldn't call it acting irresponsibly. Spanking should be reserved for offenses that deserve it, not just the everyday nuances of a kid being a kid. Understand that me saying I don't spank =/= I don't punish.

Yeah, I'm still confused. You said spanking shouldn't be used as a first resort or a last resort. So it should be used as a middle resort? Let me ask you this, what would you consider to be spankable offenses? And who said anything about tyranny?

No, I'm not trying to bait you into an argument. Asking questions to try to clarify what you are saying is not baiting. I was trying to make sense of what you said. I still haven't been able to. You said spanking shouldn't be used as a first resort or a last resort, but yet in the same post you said you would spank a 9 year old without reservation. That's a bit confusing.

This I can understand because there are time that I disagree with the experts.

Well, except for the "first resort/last resort" part. That's still throwing me for a loop. Maybe someone else can explain what you meant.



Well, when you think about kids like the Kardashians, the Richies, the Hiltons, it's fairly obvious to see that their kids aren't punished at all.

I believe that spanking is stupid uncalled for and often barbaric in 90% of all cases ..

I believe there are almost always better ways to correct or punish a child

I believe spanking in most cases is lazy parenting

I believe that spanking is not right for every child

I believe you should never spank when in a rage

i believe in not using spanking as a first resort or as a last resort it should never be your first reaction nor your last there are no last resorts in parenting not if you are a good parent to me in my view spanking is a midway punishment there are more effective things that could follow but look at this in the context of what i have already said 90 percent of cases are unwarranted to begin with so i would be a conservative spanker .

I believe that certain offenses which might result in a spanking should be explained to the child in advance ... so spanking should never be a surprise
If you steal from the candy shop then you can expect to get a spanking the fear might keep them from stealing ..

If you cant make sense of this now then the problem lies with you no offense intended ,,,,

 

[Zebra1552]

Re-read your paragraph and tell me the research isn't biased again. What if I asked the question "what's your approval rating for Obama" but I only asked republicans? The stats would be skewed.

Excuse me, if you're going to benefit from the terms I provide I would prefer it if you put them in their context. As in, the results of the study aren't skewed because of the strong correlation between lower-middle class and spanking. Haven't you ever taken stats? Using other samples would skew the results and make the study unreliable.

 

[peacebwithu2]

If removing a privilege stops the offending behavior, then I wouldn't call it acting irresponsibly. Spanking should be reserved for offenses that deserve it, not just the everyday nuances of a kid being a kid. Understand that me saying I don't spank =/= I don't punish.

Becky seriously if playing in a street after being warmed not to do it itsnt warrant for the spanking of a nine year old then what is ..i am talking about saving the kids life to me that is sufficient warrant for a spanking ..
I dont believe in locking a child up in their room and somehow i dont think a grounding is going to get the message across however we are talking about an extraordinary case .

 

[PreachersWife2004]

peace, when I was nine, I was playing tee-ball and kickball in the streets. There wasn't a "don't play in the street" rule when I was at the age, there wasn't one for my oldest when he was 9.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Excuse me, if you're going to benefit from the terms I provide I would prefer it if you put them in their context. As in, the results of the study aren't skewed because of the strong correlation between lower-middle class and spanking. Haven't you ever taken stats? Using other samples would skew the results and make the study unreliable.

But they're trying to prove that spanking is bad, not that lower class spanks more. So if they're trying to prove that spanking is bad, it would make more sense to question different societal classes to see the results. What if they asked middle class people about spanking and did a study on the kids and found that spanking hadn't affected their test results?

Yes, I've taken stats. I used to work for a political consulting firm where we were constantly reviewing stats. That's why I don't think this is a fair survey.

 

[peacebwithu2]

peace, when I was nine, I was playing tee-ball and kickball in the streets. There wasn't a "don't play in the street" rule when I was at the age, there wasn't one for my oldest when he was 9.

we might be talking about two different things when i say street i mean streets that are used by automobiles i mean playing in the line of danger now i live in a rural area and our roads are not as populated but at least every hour or so a car or truck zooms down it like there is no tomorrow You cant expect a driver to stop on a dime even if they were driving at the speed limit for a child to get out of the way its not going to happen

even if you live in a suburban area where the traffic is slow the real likelihood of death by motor vehicle is there.. if you are careless ..it would take little for a child to end up under a car or large truck ...

my question for you is when you speak of streets at your house do you mean those that are closed to all traffic ?

I dont want to misunderstand you but are you saying that you would allow your children to run free in a street used by automobiles ?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I'm thinking in terms of neighborhood areas. Where we live the street gets used by cars, but infrequently and while some tend to speed through, most of the locals go slow because they know the kids are often playing some sort of ball in the street.

If I told my nine year old not to play in the street and he chose to anyway, he would get grounded and couldn't go outside.

we might be talking about two different things when i say street i mean streets that are used by automobiles i mean playing in the line of danger now i live in a rural area and our roads are not as populated but at least every hour or so a car or truck zooms down it like there is no tomorrow You cant expect a driver to stop on a dime even if they were driving at the speed limit for a child to get out of the way its not going to happen

even if you live in a suburban area where the traffic is slow the real likelihood of death by motor vehicle is there.. if you are careless ..it would take little for a child to end up under a car or large truck ...

my question for you is when you speak of streets at your house do you mean those that are closed to all traffic ?

I dont want to misunderstand you but are you saying that you would allow your children to run free in a street used by automobiles ?