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The bible was the one to give the law....This nation was estalished according to these laws. why then we have "in God we trust" on our money? If we trust in God why would we "offend" God. There are double messages.... If we recognize God as the higher authority and according to the constitution we are one nation under God why should we blaspheme against Him? I seems pretty contradictory to me.
Both the "under God" and "In God we trust" were added in the 50s during the Red Scare, where we did everything possible to distance ourselves from the "godless commies." The US government certainly wasn't built upon biblical law, nor the sentiment of "In God we trust."
 
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there was a another thread about this. The closest one could show that amarica has a foundation in christianity is

Jerusalem and something about pilgrims being religious (who in the same document declared the Americas as a land of god BUT also swear fealty to the king) so that's not saying much and clearly had nothing to do with god.

America was founded as a secular nation and should stay that way.
 
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The bible was the one to give the law....This nation was estalished according to these laws. why then we have "in God we trust" on our money? If we trust in God why would we "offend" God. There are double messages.... If we recognize God as the higher authority and according to the constitution we are one nation under God why should we blaspheme against Him? I seems pretty contradictory to me.

Now if non-believers have rights to be respected that is their constitutional right and calling an atheist a bad name is punishable by law. Why would i want to change the Koran or the Bible as not to blaspheme about non-believers when there is millions of writtings out there unsnsorned about Chistians and any kind of believers? I do no think a solution like that one is possible or propable. ;)


Wow the Constitution now says we are one nations under god?

Which nations constituion are you reading? Irans? Saudi Arabia?
 
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Should blasphemy be a crime punishable by law?
I fail to see how a god who really deserves this label would be in need of being defended against criticism by societal laws.
The term "blasphemy" already puts an allegedly existing god in one of those very small boxes, that theists later complain their god is put in by non-believers.
 
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Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states:

"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. "


And yet, in March, 2009, under prompting from Pakistan, the UN Human Rights Council passed a resolution on "defamation of religion:"

"Defamation of religious is a serious affront to human dignity leading to a restriction on the freedom of their adherents and incitement to religious violence," the adopted text read, adding that "Islam is frequently and wrongly associated with human rights violations and terrorism."

It called on states to ensure that religious places, sites, shrines and symbols are protected, to reinforce laws "to deny impunity" for those exhibiting intolerance of ethnic and religious minorities, and "to take all possible measures to promote tolerance and respect for all religions and beliefs." (emphasis mine)

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Why should we or anyone else for that matter care what the U.N. says about.....well anything? It would be a better use of resources to tear the place down and set up a McDonalds.
 
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One can still wonder why would the constitution would include this (bellow site with the preamble of each state about God ) regardless if it was ONLY about the time of the red scare that it was introduced.... Hmmm I wonder why would people state that they are having their states "under God" while they believe that to blasphemy God is okay. Pretty conflicting ideas if you ask me ;)
God in the State Constitutions - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
 
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One can still wonder why would the constitution would include this (bellow site with the preamble of each state about God ) regardless if it was ONLY about the time of the red scare that it was introduced.... Hmmm I wonder why would people state that they are having their states "under God" while they believe that to blasphemy God is okay. Pretty conflicting ideas if you ask me ;)
God in the State Constitutions - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

State Constitutions do not equal the US Constitution.
 
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Why should we or anyone else for that matter care what the U.N. says about.....well anything? It would be a better use of resources to tear the place down and set up a McDonalds.


The Universal Declaration of Human Rights isn't just the UN's statement. It's our statement, too. The US was one of the nations that drafted it, and we're a signatory. So while the UDHR isn't a binding law, it does officially reflect our beliefs as a nation.
 
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Both the "under God" and "In God we trust" were added in the 50s during the Red Scare, where we did everything possible to distance ourselves from the "godless commies." The US government certainly wasn't built upon biblical law, nor the sentiment of "In God we trust."
While that may be true that those specific words were added at that time, if one goes back in the pages of history and reads what was stated by our founding fathers, there will be no mistake that “one nation under God” has always been there. The English language has changed over the years, we all know that, and the way we say things today may not have been the way it was stated then, and vice versa. Look at the terms “deist, agnostic, atheist” in the dictionary and you will find they all have very similar meanings. Some have stated that Washington of all people was a deist. But to look at what he, among others, have said, you cannot come away with no other conclusion that the meaning is clear, they believed in God Almighty.

On June 8, 1783 George Washington made this statement: “..without a humble imitation of the Divine Author of our blessed religion we can never hope to be a happy nation”. Thomas Jefferson stated he was a real Christian, a disciple of Jesus Christ, and sent Christian missionaries to the Kaskaskia tribe. If you look at the preamble of states of the USA, you will see an acknowledgement of God as well:

Washington’s state:
Washington, 1889. Preamble: "We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution."

And I love North Carolina’s preamble:
We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for the preservation of the American Union and the existence of our civil, political and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence on Him for the continuance of those blessings to us and our prosperity, do, for the more certain security thereof and for the better government of this State, ordain and establish this Constitution.”

William Penn stated this:
Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." It almost appears he had a foreknowledge of what was to come today.
Hidden in the many of the monuments and buildings in Washington D.C. you will find historical documents. I believe it to be symbolic erecting buildings upon a Bible ;).

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Adding the words to the pledge of allegiance actually came about from Lincoln's Gettysburg address. I'll dust off my history books and put what I can find here in a bit.
 
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While that may be true that those specific words were added at that time, if one goes back in the pages of history and reads what was stated by our founding fathers, there will be no mistake that “one nation under God” has always been there. The English language has changed over the years, we all know that, and the way we say things today may not have been the way it was stated then, and vice versa. Look at the terms “deist, agnostic, atheist” in the dictionary and you will find they all have very similar meanings.


I think you have a defective dictionary.

Some have stated that Washington of all people was a deist. But to look at what he, among others, have said, you cannot come away with no other conclusion that the meaning is clear, they believed in God Almighty.


That's what deists do ... they believe in God Almighty.

Thomas Jefferson stated he was a real Christian, a disciple of Jesus Christ,

i.e., not a Paulian.

William Penn stated this:
Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." It almost appears he had a foreknowledge of what was to come today.


The most tyrannical countries in the world are the Muslim theocracies.
 
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organized religion has no place in government, the founding fathers understood this very clearly. history has shown that those who have been governed by "god"(or so they say) have been the most tyrannical. anytime you mix power with delusions of divinity you get pain, despair, and ultimately destruction(as we are seeing with current events). religion ultimately leads to a "because i said so" mind set which primes us for sheering and eventually slaughter. the final thought from my chaotic ramblings is, any laws based in religious doctrine are unethical ones.
 
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Look at the terms “deist, agnostic, atheist” in the dictionary and you will find they all have very similar meanings.


Ummm...the *only* defining feature of a deist is that they believe a god exists.

The *only* defining feature of an atheist is that they believe that no god exists.

How, in your mind, are these things very similar?
 
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Ummm...the *only* defining feature of a deist is that they believe a god exists.

The *only* defining feature of an atheist is that they believe that no god exists.

How, in your mind, are these things very similar?

The defining feature of an atheist is that they lack a belief in a god.

Not necessarily that they believe there is no god. I know plenty of atheists who would not find the following a statement of truth for them "I believe there are no gods"
 
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The defining feature of an atheist is that they lack a belief in a god.

Not necessarily that they believe there is no god. I know plenty of atheists who would not find the following a statement of truth for them "I believe there are no gods"

*nods* fair enough.

I've wondered, though, why somebody who would does not actively believe in a god, but would not agree with the above statement, would identify as atheist, rather than agnostic.
 
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*nods* fair enough.

I've wondered, though, why somebody who would does not actively believe in a god, but would not agree with the above statement, would identify as atheist, rather than agnostic.
Because agnosticism is not about beliefs or lack thereof, but about abstaining from a claim of knowledge. Thus, there can be agnostic atheists and agnostic theists.
 
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Because agnosticism is not about beliefs or lack thereof, but about abstaining from a claim of knowledge. Thus, there can be agnostic atheists and agnostic theists. (emph. added)

Oh man...now I miss seebs. :sigh:
tulc(now THERE was a good brother) ;)
 
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