Good reason to be an atheist?(moved from Christian Appologetics)

[WingsOfEagles07]

Ah got it;
When things turn out pretty its due to a "loving creator", but when things turn out nasty and ugly, its suddenly due to "sin".

Might want to take a stab at this then?
YouTube - God and DNA

Note Isambard, If you have read your bible and knew from a Creationist or Christian point of view you would know that the devil has control over this world. The reason for evil is sin. Imagine if everyone obeyed the 10 commandments, this world would be such a better place. You only talk about tornado's, and whatever that God and DNA video is, but what about the man made evil of perverseness?

The USA and other countries have legalized "abortions" and we wonder why were in a crisis. The USA and other countries are trying to legalize "homosexual marriage" and we wonder why were in a crisis. The USA and ALL the countries of the world, has guns that people use to kill people and we wonder why were in a crisis. People are growing obese from the fast food chains, and we wonder why were in a crisis. People are greedy for MORE AND MORE money! This is the killer, do you know how many people will do anything for "money" ?? And we wonder why we are in a crisis. Millions upon millions of people are using drugs and addicted to them and are being killed by them and we wonder why there is evil and why were in a crisis. People smoke cigarettes and are addicted and some die from lung cancer, and millions die just from the smoker who emits 2nd hand smoke and people drink alcohol to a sense where they are drunk and they kill people while driving, We wonder why we are in a crisis and why there is evil in the world. GOD does not do this, HUMANKIND DOES THIS TO THEMSELVES. THE WORLD HAS MADE THE WORLD THE WAY IT IS. NOT JESUS CHRIST! I will show you later not just to you, but to everyone on here, a prophecy being fulfilled right now as we speak. God Bless the world.

 

[PT Calvinist]

A theory is something with the highest certainty in science.

Sadly...that dosen't make it a.........Fact.

 

[JGG]

Hey JGG, Let me ask you one question. Who said I was talking to you when I made that post? I wasn't talking to anyone, I was just posting something of how stupid evolution is because those clouds and mountains are just products of chance. Just like we are.

JGG, If you read my previous posts I have already argued against evolution, and the basis that evolution is based on. You say the "big bang" and the "soup" is not of evolution, Then what came up with the big bang? soup? If soup is apart of evolution by the "first-single celled" organism, It had to get there. How? The big bang, and If you disprove the big bang there was no earth that had chemicals that "RANDOMLY" bumped together. You say that mountains did not evolve. Well, If the earth came about the big bang, The whole earth is a product of chance because the probability of that happening is very unlikely. I mean, 'BANG' and just randomly out of all the galaxies it created a planet able to sustain life. Therefore the mountains are products of random processes. If the bang occured and the earth was and there was no mountains they had to evolve because they are here now. But I do not see how anyone can know this is true because this is based on the assumptions (beliefs) of words of a scientist who thinks this is how it started backed with beliefs by persuasion based on someone who wasn't there. We cannot know the past before the humans. We have evidence in the present from the past but this evidence does not appear and tell us the past automatically. A scientist interprets the evidence the way he perceives it to be, which cannot be trusted, but obviously like many people on this forum believe in evolution which is only the beliefs of other scientists, they say it or post it on a site, tv, mag., or book, and you believe it. Creationism is different than evolution, and You all look at creationism through evolutionary glasses therefore you cannot see the true sense of creation, just like "SuperPhil" has stated about CHRIST's Wisdom. You call think that nothing can be smarter than humans, well when you die you'll wish you believed that JESUS was the Creator. You also cannot account for a change in christian lives. Before I received GOD' salvation, I cussed, I didn't care about church or the bible, I hated it actually, and many more. I then accepted His Salvation. I stopped cussing through JESUS because I didn't just try to stop, I did stop. Now I love going to church and I love the Bible, How do you explain this change? You will probably say it is a figment of my imagination, well where is the evidence for that? You do not know this 100%. But see I have full 100% of that change happening. (2 Corinthians 5:17 here it is).

Nope. No interest. Cannot be bothered. You won't listen to anything I say anyway. Go away. Find someone else to talk at. I'm having a nice discussion with Mr. Brick Wall, and it is far more of an actual discussion than I've had here.

Yay, let's hear it for the creationist victory tactic of putting your fingers in your ears and screaming "I can't hear you!"

 

[Isambard]

Nope...

Only Pantheists believe that..

Things like this happen because of "sin" ...Because of our sin, we deserved that tornado and to wake us up is why he sent that. GOD is a righteous judge. When a nation, like America puts its foundation upon makinds own thinking because they think they can run it the way they want, they're wrong. The result of the picture of the guy is from "sin" of some sort. You guys will say tons of things against this but it is truth. "Believe it or Not." Heaven or Hell, Your choice.

So WingsOfEagle07 isn't a real christian then, but a pantheist eh?

 

[Isambard]

Sadly...that dosen't make it a.........Fact.

No, as they incorporate and explain facts. This is why facts are lower in science than a theory.

 

[Isambard]

Note Isambard, If you have read your bible and knew from a Creationist or Christian point of view you would know that the devil has control over this world. The reason for evil is sin. Imagine if everyone obeyed the 10 commandments, this world would be such a better place. You only talk about tornado's, and whatever that God and DNA video is, but what about the man made evil of perverseness?

The USA and other countries have legalized "abortions" and we wonder why were in a crisis. The USA and other countries are trying to legalize "homosexual marriage" and we wonder why were in a crisis. The USA and ALL the countries of the world, has guns that people use to kill people and we wonder why were in a crisis. People are growing obese from the fast food chains, and we wonder why were in a crisis. People are greedy for MORE AND MORE money! This is the killer, do you know how many people will do anything for "money" ?? And we wonder why we are in a crisis. Millions upon millions of people are using drugs and addicted to them and are being killed by them and we wonder why there is evil and why were in a crisis. People smoke cigarettes and are addicted and some die from lung cancer, and millions die just from the smoker who emits 2nd hand smoke and people drink alcohol to a sense where they are drunk and they kill people while driving, We wonder why we are in a crisis and why there is evil in the world. GOD does not do this, HUMANKIND DOES THIS TO THEMSELVES. THE WORLD HAS MADE THE WORLD THE WAY IT IS. NOT JESUS CHRIST! I will show you later not just to you, but to everyone on here, a prophecy being fulfilled right now as we speak. God Bless the world.

I see you failed to watch the video. How do I know this? What you wrote is addressed to great extent in the video!

 

[PT Calvinist]

So WingsOfEagle07 isn't a real christian then, but a pantheist eh?

No. I believe he just didn't know what he was saying....

 

[PT Calvinist]

No, as they incorporate and explain facts. This is why facts are lower in science than a theory.

Ok....
What if... I said...it's just a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact?
agreed?

 

[Isambard]

Ok....
What if... I said...it's just a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact?
agreed?

If its still conjectural in scientific circles, then it would be a hypothesis (or do you believe that atoms and gravity are conjectural given they are are based on atomic theory and the thoery of gravity respectively?). As it stands, the only people who claim evolution to be wrong, are the scientifically illiterate.

 

[durangodawood]

...The whole earth is a product of chance because the probability of that happening is very unlikely....

Why does low probability imply chance?
.
I always thought creationists would argue the opposite: that low probability implied design.
.

 

[JGG]

Ok....
What if... I said...it's just a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact?
agreed?

How about: A more or less verified or established explanation.

 

[PT Calvinist]

If its still conjectural in scientific circles, then it would be a hypothesis (or do you believe that atoms and gravity are conjectural given they are are based on atomic theory and the thoery of gravity respectively?).

Interesting...it appears that you are attempting to pull a namely approach here....
I believe that Gravity and atomic theory have been done to death...in a sense of "who can deny these things?"
Just because of two thories being world renowned as 99.99% dosen't mean that all theories are that verifiable....

As it stands, the only people who claim evolution to be wrong, are the scientifically illiterate.

Or the Creationist literate....

 

[Isambard]

Interesting...it appears that you are attempting to pull a namely approach here....
I believe that Gravity and atomic theory have been done to death...in a sense of "who can deny these things?"
Just because of two thories being world renowned as 99.99% dosen't mean that all theories are that verifiable....

Yes they are. Falsifiability is one of the criteria necessary for a hypothesis to eventually become a theory. Do you even know what the criteria are for something to become a theory?

Or the Creationist literate....

Which is synonymous with scientific illiterate.

 

[PT Calvinist]

Yes they are. Falsifiability is one of the criteria necessary for a hypothesis to eventually become a theory. Do you even know what the criteria are for something to become a theory?

So then you go by the following? :a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena
I already know that a theory is more verifiable than a hypothesis...

Which is synonymous with scientific illiterate.

Which is opinion...

 

[Isambard]

So then you go by the following? :a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena
I already know that a theory is more verifiable than a hypothesis...

I asked you to cite the critera for something to become a scientific theory

Which is opinion...

Name a single creationist who has ever argued against what the theory of evolution actually talks about.

 

[PT Calvinist]

I asked you to cite the critera for something to become a scientific theory

Facts used to make a fact.
Facticious

Name a single creationist who has ever argued against what the theory of evolution actually talks about.

I don't know of any...makes your job easy to say something smart...

Regardless...unless of course you are subject to majority rule

 

[Isambard]

Facts used to make a fact.
Facticious

Wrong.

I don't know of any...makes your job

So the statement stands (and thankyou for the confirmation). "Creationist" is synonymous with scientific illiteracy.

 

[2 King]

Wrong.



So the statement stands (and thankyou for the confirmation). "Creationist" is synonymous with scientific illiteracy.

I don't get it...you already provided an example of how scientific theory and General Theory are different. I see no reason then for you in asking for a cite.

 

[Isambard]

I don't get it...you already provided an example of how scientific theory and General Theory are different. I see no reason then for you in asking for a cite.

I asked for a citation of a creationist knowing what he/she is talking about (namely, by correctly identifying what the theory of evolution talks about).

 

[2 King]

"A Case Against Accident and Self-Organization"
By: Dean Overman