Good reason to be an atheist?(moved from Christian Appologetics)

[2 King]

Yeah right, Christianity invented fundimentalism.

I wouldn't know. I'm not sure I could say that as true statement.
Where is the evidence that God does not exist? (honest question)

 

[2 King]

I said:

That was my answer.

I didn't realize your rhetoric answer. Forgive me.

 

[Rasta]

Without my Jesus glasses we are trash built upon trash.

With them on, we are pretty great. "fearfully and wonderfully made" If I may quote

Whatever floats your boat.

 

[Rasta]

I wouldn't know. I'm not sure I could say that as true statement.
Where is the evidence that God does not exist? (honest question)

It's in the same place as the evidence for gnomes, fairies, goblins, and leprechauns.

 

[2 King]

Whatever floats your boat.

are you familiar with the Occam's razor approach?

 

[WingsOfEagles07]

No I want to here answers I just want to here the answers of what the questions I state, You all do not answer the questions I have to ask, and whenever you state a Reply back to mine you say I do not understand Evolution because you do not know what else to say because you know that you cannot for such things because you know you only account for what Actual Experts say and claim because they have the name "Scientist". You all also have no basis for such claims you all make, You all put your faith into something that man states is true. you all have no basis for much of all of your claims, Which is counted as a Fallacy. You all have no basis for having any kind of moral code whatsoever, In order for scientists to do science they have to assume the preconditions of intelligibility but this means evolutionsists are inconsistent with their reasoning and logic, because the preconditions of intelligibility come from the biblical creation worldview and does not make it applicable to the evolutionary worldview because it makes them Arbitrary to their own belief system. Inside the uniformity of nature they assume the Future is like the past, This they cannot state a logical explanation reason for this belief and be rational and internally consistent within their evolutionary worldview. Scientists have to assume these preconditions, They have to assume that their memory and their senses are true. We suppose that our eyes, ears and other senses reliably report the details about the universe in which we live, Without this assumption, science would be impossible. We could draw no reliable conclusions from any experiment if our observations of the experiment are unreliable. If our sensory experiences are merely illusions, then science would be impossible. We all also presume the laws of logic that givern correct reasoning.How could we prove that there are laws of logic? We would have to first assume them in order to begin in a logical proof. Therefore, laws of logic constitute a precondition of intelligibility. they must be assumed before we can even begin to reason about anything including reasoning about the laws of logic themselves. In a biblical creation worldview, these preconditions make sense; they are perfectly compatible with the Bible. We would expect our memory and senses have been designed by GOD for many different reasons including the Complexity of the Brain,Eyes and Ears. A logically correct worldview must provide these preconditions of intelligibility because without them we could not know anything about the universe. These only make sense in the biblical creation worldview and both creation and evolution must assume these preconditions in order to do any kind of science, this means the Evolutionists has to be inconsistent within their worldview in order to make an argument against creation...So I ASK ONCE AGAIN! Just As Richard Dawkins couldn't answer, "Can You give an Genetic Mutation or Evolutionary process which can be seen to increase the information in the Genome?" He is one of the people who give You all your information about Evolution and he could not even answer and the answer he did give was not even related to the question asked to Richard. Again he did or said what you all told me and 2 King, When we state something or say something, That you do not have an answer for you say, You do not understand evolution or you do not understand this or that process, Well, Richard told those creationists, "There is a popular (Misunderstanding)" Right there he is judging the people who state something that is hard to comply with therefore as a rescuing device they result to, you do not understand evolution or this or that! You all do not answer my Questions. Now Give me some answers.

 

[2 King]

Super Rational. You have a position. Unless it is based completely on blind faith, there must be some reason you hold to it. That would be your evidence. It is your position I am asking you to establish. Not mine. So tell me. What kind of an atheist are you? Strong? Weak?

 

[Rasta]

Yeah. I guess. I just don't see it as dishonest when there is nothing which suggests something is true.

The same thing could have been said of germs, before we built the microscope. I mostly agree with you, but I'm just sayin'.

I just extend what you say, so my opinion is that if something is so highly unlikely or so lacking in evidence while another explanation has the needed evidence, then I make a positive claim. Do I know for sure that god does not exist? Of course not b/c it would be impossible to prove such a thing. I'm not necessarily claiming knowledge, just that I have no reason to believe. Hope this makes sense. I can't guarantee it.

If you don't claim to possess knowledge, that would make you an agnostic atheist, IMO. I do understand, I used to be in the same place as you.

 

[Rasta]

are you familiar with the Occam's razor approach?

Yes.

 

[Rasta]

You have a position. Unless it is based completely on blind faith, there must be some reason you hold to it. That would be your evidence. It is your position I am asking you to establish. Not mine. So tell me. What kind of an atheist are you? Strong? Weak?

I reject the conventional conventions for a convention of my own. I call myself an agnostic atheist. I don't believe in god, because there is no impirical evidence to suggest that the concept of supernatural exists.

 

[Rasta]

You all put your faith into something that man states is true.

Oh, the irony.

 

[Rasta]

"Can You give an Genetic Mutation or Evolutionary process which can be seen to increase the information in the Genome?"

Hey wings,

I'll answer this, if you PROMISE to answer my next question. Remember Jesus doesn't like liars.

 

[Super_Rational]

The human is too unique. It's just so un heard of. Yet scientists are able to comprehend their own origin? But if you don't want to touch that subject fine.

There are many people who spend there lives doing this. Yes, they are able to comprehend it.

We are unique in the sense that we have many advantages compared to most other land mammals out there, two being our reasoning & communicating abilities. And these are very powerful abilities that others lack. In other words, this has allowed us to reproduce more & pass on our genes.

Regardless, why be Atheist then? Do you know there is no God? or believe there is no God? Atheism is a position that you hold. But, you have no evidence for it so you are contradicting yourself.

If you truly believe this, then why are you a christian? Do you not make a positive assertion that god exists? Every christian I know does. I am an atheist b/c of lack of evidence for a god, souls, the stories in the bible, etc. Why is this contradicting myself, again?

My cat has no belief in a god or gods. Why are you different than he? Is my cat also an atheist?

Maybe your cat also realizes that there is no evidence for any of them? If your cat is like any other, he probably thinks he is god, anyway. But seriously, if your cat doesn't even know that it doesn't believe in any gods, then no it's not an atheist. Just like I don't believe that newborns are atheists. They haven't formed any beliefs yet at all.

 

[WingsOfEagles07]

Okay sure. And I will Honestly not lie. Because the Bible says so.

 

[Super_Rational]

More than theists no. Possibly more than Christians. But I'm sure Atheism is smaller than christianity, unless statistics show me otherwise.

Most atheists I've met in person seem quite apathetic, actually. I was too for a while. Now just about every christian I've met was absolutely positive that god exists & that god loves them, wants a personal relationship, performs miracles, etc. And in my hometown I was surrounded by christianity. Maybe drowning is a better word.

 

[2 King]

If you truly believe this, then why are you a christian? Do you not make a positive assertion that god exists? Every christian I know does. I am an atheist b/c of lack of evidence for a god, souls, the stories in the bible, etc. Why is this contradicting myself, again?

1.) Because I believe in God and I believe in the bible and all that it contains.
2.) Positive? In the sense that you are providing it as, no. In a sense of experiences yes. Have you forgotten Christians run on faith? Defenition: "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen" It is synonymous with trust. It is a divine gift and comes by hearing the Word of God It is the means by which the grace of God is accounted to the believer who trusts in the work of Jesus on the cross. Without faith it is impossible to please God. It is by faith that we live our lives, "The righteous shall live by faith,".

Where is the evidence that God does not exist?

Maybe your cat also realizes that there is no evidence for any of them? If your cat is like any other, he probably thinks he is god, anyway. But seriously, if your cat doesn't even know that it doesn't believe in any gods, then no it's not an atheist. Just like I don't believe that newborns are atheists. They haven't formed any beliefs yet at all.

Blanket statement. So, how do you support your position of atheism? On what basis do you do that? You have a position. Tell me the position.

 

[Rasta]

Okay sure. And I will Honestly not lie. Because the Bible says so.

Ok. The answer is, yes we can. See refrences: CB102: Mutations adding information

Ok, now for my question: "Why do humans have tail bones?"

 

[Super_Rational]

No I want to here answers I just want to here the answers....

You get the longest paragraph award. No way I'm fishing through that.

 

[Super_Rational]

Super Rational. You have a position. Unless it is based completely on blind faith, there must be some reason you hold to it. That would be your evidence. It is your position I am asking you to establish. Not mine. So tell me. What kind of an atheist are you? Strong? Weak?

I made a long post way back in the middle of this thread somewhere. Prob around pg 25 on a quick list of why I am an atheist. Is that what mean?

Btw, I don't believe in the supernatural at all. I would consider myself a strong atheist.

 

[Super_Rational]

The same thing could have been said of germs, before we built the microscope. I mostly agree with you, but I'm just sayin'.

If you don't claim to possess knowledge, that would make you an agnostic atheist, IMO. I do understand, I used to be in the same place as you.

I guess in some sense it's a game of semantics. I mean, I believe everyone is technically an agnostic b/c no one can possibly know, but I call myself an atheist b/c I have no reason to...well you've heard me say it. I don't believe in anything supernatural, & that it's simply all the product of the imagination, but I'd change my mind if somehow proven otherwise. That's about as atheist as I can imagine, I guess.