Did benny deny the unam sanctum?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Hentenza I find the Catholic church claim of supremacy arrogant and prideful

Some people find other Christians who appoint themselves above that which we believe to be Christ's Church arrogant and prideful too. So love your neighbor anyway even if you think their doctrines are "false." This thread should be close anyway. The OP was long since answered.

And you are welcome to believe that

 

[Ame4]

Joey Ratzinger has a better sound, doesn't it?

Simon, Simon, Simmy

Since he changed his name, I guess not. I haven't a clue though.
My husband's name is Joseph, he likes that and Joe, but hates Joey.
But that is neither here nor there

 

[simonthezealot]

It appears to me that in july of 07 when ratz put out the official 5 question/answer document meant to clarify vat 2 and his paper "dominus jesus" He did in fact CONFIRM unam sanctum in the section under unity, they reference it as reference #51, point #16 take a look.

HERE

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It appears to me that in july of 07 when ratz put out the official 5 question/answer document meant to clarify vat 2 and his paper "dominus jesus" He did in fact CONFIRM unam sanctum in the section under unity, they reference it as reference #51, point #16 take a look.

HERE

That is a very loooong read there bro. I snipped this from about half way down at the 64 mark:

............In fact, “the elements of this already-given Church exist, joined together in their fullness in the Catholic Church and, without this fullness, in the other communities”.
65 “Therefore, these separated Churches and communities as such, though we believe they suffer from defects, have by no means been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation.

For the spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church”.66...................

 

[simonthezealot]

That is a very loooong read there bro. I snipped this from about half way down at the 64 mark:

............In fact, “the elements of this already-given Church exist, joined together in their fullness in the Catholic Church and, without this fullness, in the other communities”.
65 “Therefore, these separated Churches and communities as such, though we believe they suffer from defects, have by no means been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation.

For the spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church”.66...................

What i linked was b4 becoming pope what you actually need to view is the 5 question clarifying statement he made in jusly 07, which i'm looking for the official statement on but in it he clarifies dominus jesus and vat 2 and he leans pretty hard on the bull.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That is a very loooong read there bro. I snipped this from about half way down at the 64 mark:

............In fact, “the elements of this already-given Church exist, joined together in their fullness in the Catholic Churchand, without this fullness, in the other communities”.
65 “Therefore, these separated Churches and communities as such, though we believe they suffer from defects, have by no means been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation.

For the spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church”.66...................

Is that the same paper the Orthodox Church got upset about?
I had always wondered about the "defective" part.

Orthodox Heritage

The Papacy and Its Unholy State: A Worldwide W a k e - u p C a l l to Orthodox Leaders

On July 10, 2007, Pope Benedict XVI reasserted the "universal primacy" of his Roman Catholic church, approving a document released on Tuesday, July 10, 2007, proclaiming that Orthodox Churches are "defective." This was the Pontiff’s latest manner of insulting Jesus Christ and His True Church...............

http://www.christianforums.com/t5805969/http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=5805969&page=82
What would it take for Orthodoxs to come under Pope

 

[Zoness]

-1000 on Unam Sanctum

 

[Ame4]

-1000 on Unam Sanctum

Is that what you think about it or are you keeping some kind of score


And don't be

doesn't do any good.

 

[simonthezealot]

COPTIC ASSEMBLY OF AMERICA - Pope Benedict XVI: Please do not Judge

"Other Christian communities are either defective or not true churches and Catholicism provides the only true path to salvation,"
B16

 

[Zoness]

Is that what you think about it or are you keeping some kind of score


And don't be

doesn't do any good.

That's what I think of it and I live 90% of my life paranoid heh

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

COPTIC ASSEMBLY OF AMERICA - Pope Benedict XVI: Please do not Judge

"Other Christian communities are either defective or not true churches and Catholicism provides the only true path to salvation,"
B16

That link you gave earlier seems to be from 2000. Was there anything different or changed from the one from 2007 the Orthodox Church referred to in my earlier post? Thanks

Rome, from the Offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, August 6, 2000, the Feast of the Transfiguration of the Lord.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I am having a hard time finding this 2007 document, just a little news on it.

FOXNews.com - Pope: Other Christian Denominations Not True Churches - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy — For the second time in a week, Pope Benedict XVI has corrected what he says are erroneous interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, reasserting the primacy of the Roman Catholic Church and saying other Christian communities were either defective or not true churches.

The new document -- formulated as five questions and answers -- restates key sections of a 2000 text the pope wrote when he was prefect of the congregation, "Dominus Iesus," which riled Protestant, Lutheran and other Christian denominations because it said they were not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the "means of salvation."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

To all,

So then let no one boast in men. For all things belong to you, whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things present or things to come; all things belong to you, and you belong to Christ; and Christ belongs to God. (1 Cor. 3:21-23)

Repent..

 

[Ame4]

I am having a hard time finding this 2007 document, just a little news on it.

FOXNews.com - Pope: Other Christian Denominations Not True Churches - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy — For the second time in a week, Pope Benedict XVI has corrected what he says are erroneous interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, reasserting the primacy of the Roman Catholic Church and saying other Christian communities were either defective or not true churches.

The new document -- formulated as five questions and answers -- restates key sections of a 2000 text the pope wrote when he was prefect of the congregation, "Dominus Iesus," which riled Protestant, Lutheran and other Christian denominations because it said they were not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the "means of salvation."

I just read the document.
Although the theme and statments are of this nature.

it side steps in a way too?

Can't have your cake and eat it too, if this is the case.

I would like to see how Catholics see this.

 

[sunlover1]

Disobedience to Jesus could jeopardize salvation.

If one's faith is built on a sincere seeking of Christ, then this doesn't apply.

However, if someone rejects the Church because they want a divorce and to remarry, or, if they reject the Church from personal pride or for personal comfort, etc., then a person could be chronically rejecting the will of God.

An ongoing act of defiance could impact one's salvation.

I have to be honest with you... I have considered how nice
it would be to be Catholic because that way, you can just
get an annulment. No joke.
Obviously you dont see this irony or you wouldnt have posted
what you did above.

And I realise that you honestly believe that the
rejection of your church is an act of defiance.
What I dont understand is why you feel that way.

Blessings,
sunlover

 

[Ame4]

And I realise that you honestly believe that the
rejection of your church is an act of defiance.
What I dont understand is why you feel that way.

Blessings,
sunlover

I don't know if this is the norm, but I have seen some say they leave the catholic church because of this or other "moral issues"

 

[Ame4]

Jesus was clear about divorce, let us heed that.

 

[sunlover1]

I thought by the title of the thread that this was about Benny Hinn.

Dont' feel bad, that makes two of us lol.

I will say I think calling the Catholic Pope, benny like that isn't right.

Ahh, he doesnt have time to read here anyhow... wait a second.
Maybe he does!

Jesus was clear about divorce, let us heed that.

You'd think that He was, but you'll find out after a while here that
things are never what you originally thought they were.

 

[sunlover1]

Those dogmas, are declared by Rome to be "Divine Truth", as you well know, given by God the Holy Spirit through the Roman Catholic magesterium or solely through the pope.

In that declaration, Rome claims to be the sole, exclusive voice of God on earth, and that it is God speaking through them, and as such are operating as a prophet or consortium of prophets.

Therefore, if those dogmas are not true, and are not from God, then Romanism is a false prophet, and is indeed opposed to God as a false prophet.

God is crystal clear in the Scriptures that false prophets are to be rejected.

Deuteronomy 18:20


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Jesus and the Apostles warned of false prophets who would come claiming to be speaking in His Name, but are inwardly ravenous wolves.

Matthew 7

Matthew 24:23-25


2 Peter 2:1
[ Destructive Doctrines ]

1 John 4:1[/color]

There is no middle ground.

If the claims of Rome are not true, are not Divine truth spoken by God through the Roman Catholic church, then it is a false prophet and wolf in sheep's clothing.

If those dogmas of Roman Catholicism are not Divine Truth, then Roman Catholicism is a false prophet, and opposed to Christ and His Church as wolves in sheep's clothing, and it is imperative that separation take place. It is not optional.

2 Corinthians 6:16-18 (New King James Version)



One cannot be a follower of Christ and joined to false prophets at the same time.

Matthew 6:24

Therefore, you must leave the Roman Catholic religion and join in fellowship with a true church, a true community of faith that worships God in Spirit AND Truth.

John 4:23-24 (New King James Version)


And any individual or organization that seeks compromising the Truth for the sake of religious political correctness or personal gain in a business enterprise claiming to be "Christian", like some forums and websites do, is aiding and abetting false prophets and prove that they are trying to serve two masters.

I've seen some accusations of this being
directed at our commander in chief.

 

[TraderJack]

I have to be honest with you... I have considered how nice
it would be to be Catholic because that way, you can just
get an annulment. No joke.
Obviously you dont see this irony or you wouldnt have posted
what you did above.

Paul Simon must have been of the church of the Romans:

Just slip out the back, Jack

Make a new plan, Stan

Don't try to be coy, Roy

Just get yourself free---by annulment