Did benny deny the unam sanctum?

[JimfromOhio]

Disobedience to Jesus could jeopardize salvation.

If your faith is built on a sincere seeking of Christ, then this doesn't apply.

However, if you reject the Church because you want a divorce and to remarry, or, if you reject the Church from personal pride or comfort, etc., then a person could be chronically rejecting the will of God.

An ongoing act of defiance could impact your salvation.

You are talking about rejecting RCC's doctrines more than Jesus Christ through the conviction of the Holy Spirit. When a person do NOT acknowledge the Holy Spirit, that is explained in Mark 3:29 "But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." In Acts 7:51, "You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit!"

 

[chestertonrules]

You are talking about rejecting RCC's doctrines more than Jesus Christ through the conviction of the Holy Spirit. When a person do NOT acknowledge the Holy Spirit, that is explained in Mark 3:29 "But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." In Acts 7:51, "You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit!"

I don't believe there is any difference between Catholic Doctrine and the will of Jesus. My original point was directed at those who reject the Church for improper reasons. If you are ignorant of the truth, then you will not be held to the same standard as those who know but reject the truth.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I don't believe there is any difference between Catholic Doctrine and the will of Jesus. My original point was directed at those who reject the Church for improper reasons. If you are ignorant of the truth, then you will not be held to the same standard as those who know but reject the truth.

ACCCKKKKK!!!!!

 

[Hentenza]

Disobedience to Jesus could jeopardize salvation.

If your faith is built on a sincere seeking of Christ, then this doesn't apply.

However, if you reject the Church because you want a divorce and to remarry, or, if you reject the Church from personal pride or for personal comfort, etc., then a person could be chronically rejecting the will of God.

An ongoing act of defiance could impact your salvation.

Nice analogy but completely out of context since I am "married" to the universal church. I find the RC claim to supremacy arrogant and unbiblical, therefore, will continue to reject its claims.

Lets cut though the chase and get a direct answer. I willfully reject the Catholic church claims, of my own volition, while having full understanding of what it teaches. I am a devoted believer in Christ. Given that, according to the Catholic church, is my salvation directly affected?

 

[lionroar0]

Not from the Church of Rome. No.

Forgive me...

That's not the Spirit talking but arrogance and pride.

Peace

 

[JimfromOhio]

I don't believe there is any difference between Catholic Doctrine and the will of Jesus. My original point was directed at those who reject the Church for improper reasons. If you are ignorant of the truth, then you will not be held to the same standard as those who know but reject the truth.

Your Church can't save me. Only Christ can. 1 Peter 4:11 instructs me to handle biblical truth: "If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God." If the Bible is true, then it is also authoritative. As divinely revealed truth, it carries the full weight of God's own authority. A church must understand that Christ is the Head of the Church (Eph. 1:22; 4:15). I would rather disobey the teachings of leaders (of the Church) rather than disobeying God. In Acts 5, Peter responded to Sanhedrin, the high priest that "We must obey God rather than men!"

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That's not the Spirit talking but arrogance and pride.

Peace

another spokesman for Rome appears

 

[chestertonrules]

Nice analogy but completely out of context since I am "married" to the universal church. I find the RC claim to supremacy arrogant and unbiblical, therefore, will continue to reject its claims.

Lets cut though the chase and get a direct answer. I willfully reject the Catholic church claims, of my own volition, while having full understanding of what it teaches. I am a devoted believer in Christ. Given that, according to the Catholic church, is my salvation directly affected?

You clearly don't have a full understanding of the Church, but leaving that aside, no it will not. You must willfully reject the truth. My original point was to LLOJ, who is a former Catholic. Many ex-Catholics leave because they reject the moral teachings of the Church. They then subsequently find other rationalizations. (this has nothing to do with LLOJ specifically) Divorce and remarriage is probably one of the largest if not the largest reason Catholics leave the Church.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You clearly don't have a full understanding of the Church, but leaving that aside, no it will not. You must willfully reject the truth. My original point was to LLOJ, who is a former Catholic. Many ex-Catholics leave because they reject the moral teachings of the Church. They then subsequently find other rationalizations. (this has nothing to do with LLOJ specifically) Divorce and remarriage is probably one of the largest if not the largest reason Catholics leave the Church.

If you address me you also address my Church.......

 

[JimfromOhio]

That's not the Spirit talking but arrogance and pride.

Peace

For here is spiritual pride, the ultimate sin, in action - the sin of believing in one's own righteousness through the Church rather than Jesus Christ, Himself. This trap is so easy for us to fall into due to unawareness of human pride and arrogant.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Unam Sanctum was written by an Idiot.

Forgive me...

That's a fun thing to call a successor of Peter.

 

[chestertonrules]

For here is spiritual pride, the ultimate sin, in action - the sin of believing in one's own righteousness through the Church rather than Jesus Christ, Himself. This trap is so easy for us to fall into due to unawareness of human pride and arrogant.

That's quite ironic, given that you reject the Church founded by Jesus but prefer to lean on your own understanding.

 

[JimfromOhio]

That's quite ironic, given that you reject the Church founded by Jesus but prefer to lean on your own understanding.

There has never been a time, since the Church of Jesus Christ was founded, when there has not been a vast amount of trivial and mere nominal religion among professing Christians. Faith and Grace are at the foundations of all Christian living, and because faith has to do with the character of God, not on Church. God's Grace operates without the help of our faith because grace is much more powerful than our faith. God gives us, one by one, the gifts and the graces of the Holy Spirit sufficiently. So, fruit of the spirit and grace are missing in our Christian faith today. Faith is a living, well-founded confidence in the grace of God, all of which the Holy Spirit (not Church but through Church) works in faith. God applies to us everything we need,to save us, to keep us, to enable us, to deliver us, to sanctify us, to glorify us. We were saved by grace, (Ephesians 2) through faith, but it is God's grace that just initiates there and sustains all the way, every benefit in life, every benefit in eternity is by God's grace.

 

[Hentenza]

You clearly don't have a full understanding of the Church, but leaving that aside, no it will not. You must willfully reject the truth. My original point was to LLOJ, who is a former Catholic. Many ex-Catholics leave because they reject the moral teachings of the Church. They then subsequently find other rationalizations. (this has nothing to do with LLOJ specifically) Divorce and remarriage is probably one of the largest if not the largest reason Catholics leave the Church.

Chestertonrules, I am a former Catholic and former Catholic seminarian. I am well aware of what the Catholic church teaches. Also, I have been married to my only wife for over 30 years. I am willfully rejecting the 'truth" in doctrine as taught by the Catholic church. It has nothing to do with the moral teachings of the Catholic church. Actually I am quite in agreement with its ethics. I find the Catholic church claim of supremacy arrogant and prideful.

 

[Standing Up]

To all,

So then let no one boast in men. For all things belong to you, whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things present or things to come; all things belong to you, and you belong to Christ; and Christ belongs to God. (1 Cor. 3:21-23)



Repent.




.

 

[MrPolo]

I find the Catholic church claim of supremacy arrogant and prideful.

Some people find other Christians who appoint themselves above that which we believe to be Christ's Church arrogant and prideful too. So love your neighbor anyway even if you think their doctrines are "false." This thread should be close anyway. The OP was long since answered.

 

[Hentenza]

Some people find other Christians who appoint themselves above that which we believe to be Christ's Church arrogant and prideful too. So love your neighbor anyway even if you think their doctrines are "false." This thread should be close anyway. The OP was long since answered.

I love my fellow brother and sisters in Christ. That I don't have a problem with.

 

[TraderJack]

Originally Posted by chestertonrules

You clearly don't have a full understanding of the Church, but leaving that aside, no it will not. You must willfully reject the truth. My original point was to LLOJ, who is a former Catholic. Many ex-Catholics leave because they reject the moral teachings of the Church. They then subsequently find other rationalizations. (this has nothing to do with LLOJ specifically) Divorce and remarriage is probably one of the largest if not the largest reason Catholics leave the Church.
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Chestertonrules, I am a former Catholic and former Catholic seminarian. I am well aware of what the Catholic church teaches. Also, I have been married to my only wife for over 30 years. I am willfully rejecting the 'truth" in doctrine as taught by the Catholic church. It has nothing to do with the moral teachings of the Catholic church. Actually I am quite in agreement with its ethics. I find the Catholic church claim of supremacy arrogant and prideful.

I find the Catholic church claim of supremacy arrogant and prideful.

Lets investigate that a little further, shall we.

The Roman Catholic church claims that Roman papal supremacy, that the pope of Rome is the universal bishop with supreme jurisdictional authority over the entire church, and declares that claim is Divine Truth, being Divinely revealed to the Roman Catholic magesterium as the Holy Spirit moved and directed them, indeed that it is God speaking through them, just as with the prophets.

Now, given that claim, and considering all the warnings given by Christ and the Apostles about those who would make such claims, claiming indeed to be speaking directly for God and that God is speaking through them as Rome claims, what are the admonitions given in Scripture of what false claims of speaking for God do in identifying the speaker, and what is the response of the children of God to them, according to Scripture?

 

[Ame4]

I thought by the title of the thread that this was about Benny Hinn.
I will refrain from commenting on the posts save one.
I will say I think calling the Catholic Pope, benny like that isn't right.

I love my fellow brother and sisters in Christ. That I don't have a problem with.

I love all my brothers and sisters in Christ also.

 

[simonthezealot]

I will say I think calling the Catholic Pope, benny like that isn't right.

Joey Ratzinger has a better sound, doesn't it?