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Fullness of the faith??????????

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:confused: What does this have to do with God calling men? Who is rejecting this instruction?
Great question!!! :)

Matt 24:22 And if no was shortened the days, those, not ever was saved all flesh.
Because of yet the elect-chosen/eklektouV <1588>, shall be being shortened the days, those.

Reve 17:14 These with the lambkin shall be battling and the lambkin shall be conquering them. That Lord of Lords He is and King of Kings.
And the-ones with Him called-ones/klhtoi <2822> and chosen/eklektoi <1588> and faithful-ones
 
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I think that we should keep in mind the 'reason' it was done
at least according to wikipedia:

On 18 November 1302, Pope Boniface VIII issued the Papal bull Unam sanctam[1] which historians consider one of the most extreme statements of Papal spiritual supremacy ever made. The original document is lost but a version of the text can be found in the registers of Boniface VIII in the Vatican Archives.[2] It arose due to the Pope's conflict with Philip IV of France over attempts of each to prevent the other from receiving money from taxes.

Filthy lucre!
Isnt that always how it goes?
the Pope was trying to protect the rights of the Church, it is not a "fun" job but it has to be done
 
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NonCatholics never could understand anything anyhow. ;)



But you certainly must be able to understand why some
of it's content might incite those who are not.

The bull ends "Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

It incites me anyhow.
There is no other name under heaven by which men must be saved.
you know that is not what i ment... it is just it gets old when people from other churches keep on telling you what you believe
 
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Here's the thing about unum sanctum; people try and down play its legitimacy and reliability because of its age yet as recent as JP2 it was substantially referenced by him. I'll find the link in a little bit if anyone is interested?
That would be me.
Substantiation is always invited & welcome in my corner.:cool:
 
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you know that is not what i ment... it is just it gets old when people from other churches keep on telling you what you believe
I would say that works both ways ;)
 
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Originally Posted by chestertonrules
God has given man the power to accept or reject his grace.

Why don't you believe God is capable of this?
We DO believe that. We call it "willpower". God has the power to predestine man's will. Why don't you believe God is capable of that?
 
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you know that is not what i ment... it is just it gets old when people from other churches keep on telling you what you believe
It is written for all to see isn't it? We can read and understand what this is saying here. For there is no other name for which one can be saved. His name is Jesus but yet we read this where it contradicts the scripture and puts the Pontis of Rome where Christ is to be.. Then we hear no this is only for the Catholics.. Who believe what? That they are the only true Church..
 
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God can and does even change the hearts of Kings.. LOL
:thumbsup: How else will we be able to reign upon the Land :)

Reve 5: 10 And Thou make them to the God of us Kings and Priests and they shall be reigning upon the land.
 
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you know that is not what i ment... it is just it gets old when people from other churches keep on telling you what you believe

I'm sorry that I cant relate too well, because I dont let anyone
know what church i attend lol.

But if i were catholic, wouldnt i want to defend what
unum sanctum says?
 
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of course it was referanced by JP2, i would not be surprised to hear it referanced by Pope Benedict, no one is saying it is not still in effect, but we do not let non-Catholics tell us what it means, it is a Catholic document for Catholics
I think you need to find a better way to say what you realy mean, bro. Because it sounds like you refuse to listen to reason & that you are trying to minimize & marginalize the Two Swords doctrine in that Bull.
It does not explicitly limit Papal temporal authority to Christendom:
" Therefore, if the Greeks or others should say that they are not confided to Peter and to his successors, they must confess not being the sheep of Christ, since Our Lord says in John 'there is one sheepfold and one shepherd.' We are informed by the texts of the gospels that in this Church and in its power are two swords; namely, the spiritual and the temporal. For when the Apostles say: 'Behold, here are two swords' [Lk 22:38] that is to say, in the Church, since the Apostles were speaking, the Lord did not reply that there were too many, but sufficient. Certainly the one who denies that the temporal sword is in the power of Peter has not listened well to the word of the Lord commanding: 'Put up thy sword into thy scabbard' [Mt 26:52]. Both, therefore, are in the power of the Church, that is to say, the spiritual and the material sword, but the former is to be administered _for_ the Church but the latter by the Church; the former in the hands of the priest; the latter by the hands of kings and soldiers, but at the will and sufferance of the priest. "

So don't ever believe it when you hear the Inquisition executions weren't RCC because they were performed by secular authorities.

The Two Swords Doctrine is about as full as a faith could get, but not a faith in God, in my humble opinion.
 
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I'm sorry that I cant relate too well, because I dont let anyone
know what church i attend lol.

But if i were catholic, wouldnt i want to defend what
unum sanctum says?
:blush: I have decided to bump this thread up to find out more from the RCs about this.......

http://www.christianforums.com/t6905007/
Did benny deny the unam sanctum?
 
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That would be me.
Substantiation is always invited & welcome in my corner.:cool:
Here you go...i try to always be a man of my word.
JP2 a dozen years ago confirmed unam sanctum...
HERE
8th paragraph
Since Christ brings about salvation through his Mystical Body, which is the Church, the way of salvation is connected essentially with the Church.
The axiom extra ecclesiam nulla salus"--"outside the Church there is no salvation"--stated by St. Cyprian (Epist. 73, 21; PL 1123 AB), belongs to the Christian tradition. It was included in the Fourth Lateran Council (DS 802), in the Bull Unam Sanctam of Boniface VIII (DS 870) and the Council of Florence (Decretum pro Jacobitis, DS 1351).
 
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I'm sorry that I cant relate too well, because I dont let anyone
know what church i attend lol.

But if i were catholic, wouldnt i want to defend what
unum sanctum says?
I am defending Unum Sanctum
I think you need to find a better way to say what you realy mean, bro. Because it sounds like you refuse to listen to reason & that you are trying to minimize & marginalize the Two Swords doctrine in that Bull.
It does not explicitly limit Papal temporal authority to Christendom:
" Therefore, if the Greeks or others should say that they are not confided to Peter and to his successors, they must confess not being the sheep of Christ, since Our Lord says in John 'there is one sheepfold and one shepherd.' We are informed by the texts of the gospels that in this Church and in its power are two swords; namely, the spiritual and the temporal. For when the Apostles say: 'Behold, here are two swords' [Lk 22:38] that is to say, in the Church, since the Apostles were speaking, the Lord did not reply that there were too many, but sufficient. Certainly the one who denies that the temporal sword is in the power of Peter has not listened well to the word of the Lord commanding: 'Put up thy sword into thy scabbard' [Mt 26:52]. Both, therefore, are in the power of the Church, that is to say, the spiritual and the material sword, but the former is to be administered _for_ the Church but the latter by the Church; the former in the hands of the priest; the latter by the hands of kings and soldiers, but at the will and sufferance of the priest. "

So don't ever believe it when you hear the Inquisition executions weren't RCC because they were performed by secular authorities.

The Two Swords Doctrine is about as full as a faith could get, but not a faith in God, in my humble opinion.
I have no problem with the Doctrine of the Two Swords
 
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Here you go...i try to always be a man of my word.
JP2 a dozen years ago confirmed unam sanctum...

All Salvation Comes through Christ
Since Christ brings about salvation through his Mystical Body, which is the Church, the way of salvation is connected essentially with the Church.
The axiom extra ecclesiam nulla salus"--"outside the Church there is no salvation"--stated by St. Cyprian (Epist. 73, 21; PL 1123 AB), belongs to the Christian tradition. It was included in the Fourth Lateran Council (DS 802), in the Bull Unam Sanctam of Boniface VIII (DS 870) and the Council of Florence (Decretum pro Jacobitis, DS 1351).
Ahhh. I hope you don't mind but I copied your post to the Unam Sanctum thread I bumped up :angel:

http://www.christianforums.com/t6905007/#post51479012
 
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