Fullness of the faith??????????

[MamaZ]

The fullness of faith comes from Christ and not tradition. For He is the originator of our faith and He is the completer of our Faith.. Even the disciples prayed Jesus increase our faith.. So then I question some tradtions and ask how this brings fullness of Faith. And faith in what I ask? Our works? Mary? The saints? How can me viewing an Icon bring a fullness of Faith in Christ? How can me doing a ritual bring my faith full in Christ?

 

[Anglian]

The fullness of faith comes from Christ and not tradition. For He is the originator of our faith and He is the completer of our Faith.. Even the disciples prayed Jesus increase our faith.. So then I question some tradtions and ask how this brings fullness of Faith. And faith in what I ask? Our works? Mary? The saints? How can me viewing an Icon bring a fullness of Faith in Christ? How can me doing a ritual bring my faith full in Christ?

If you were within that fulness, you'd know.

peace,

Anglian

 

[JimfromOhio]

Through the Word of God (along with sound Tradition), we get our fullness of faith from the Holy Spirit through Jesus Christ. The Bible clearly says that all Christians are a body of believers indwelt by the Spirit (1 Cor. 12:13). Romans 8:9 says, "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, He is none of His." In Ephesians 5:18 where the present tense of the verb in Greek means: "Keep on being filled with the Spirit". "The love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit which is given to us" (Romans 5:5).

We should understand the difference between OUR faith and Christ's faith in us. Christ is the AUTHOR of our faith. Hebrews 12:2 Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

 

[ProScribe]

868 The Church is catholic: she proclaims the fullness of the faith. She bears in herself and administers the totality of the means of salvation. She is sent out to all peoples. She speaks to all men. She encompasses all times. She is "missionary of her very nature" (AG 2).

MY QUESTIONS...............

Tell us then, what else must be known for salvation that is not in the Scriptures? Be specific please.

What is there to be known of Christ which must be known for salvation that is not contained in the Scriptures?

Sacred Scriptures is interpreted thru the Church.

 

[MamaZ]

If you were within that fulness, you'd know.

peace,

Anglian

I walk in the fulness of Christ. I do not have to have extra rituals to make me feel like my faith is fuller. For my Faith is in the One who began a Good work in me and will continue it until He calls me home or comes again. For the fullness of God is in Christ Jesus who Lives in His people.. How much fuller can one get with Christ living in them and causing us to walk His way?

 

[Anglian]

I walk in the fulness of Christ. I do not have to have extra rituals to make me feel like my faith is fuller. For my Faith is in the One who began a Good work in me and will continue it until He calls me home or comes again. For the fullness of God is in Christ Jesus who Lives in His people.. How much fuller can one get with Christ living in them and causing us to walk His way?

Why do you assume that it is in ritual that the fulness resides. I am glad you have found the Lord in your way; are you not able simply to accept that I have found Him in mine? Why the need to rehearse your prejudices about ritual?

peace,

Anglian

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I walk in the fulness of Christ. I do not have to have extra rituals to make me feel like my faith is fuller. For my Faith is in the One who began a Good work in me and will continue it until He calls me home or comes again. For the fullness of God is in Christ Jesus who Lives in His people.. How much fuller can one get with Christ living in them and causing us to walk His way?

I would say we will all be "called home" before He ever comes again although I think it would be neet to be here to hear the Trumpet calls

Matthew 24:31 and He shall be sending His Messengers with a great Trumpet sound/voice/fwnhV <5456> and they shall be together-gathering the Called-ones of Him out of the four winds, from extremities of heavens till the extremities of them. [Revelation 8:6]

Revelation 8:6 And the seven Messengers having the seven Trumpets make ready themselves, that they-should-be-Trumpeting/salpizein <4537> (5721)
;[Joshua 6:4/Matt 24:31]

 

[Anglian]

Dear LLOJ,

Indeed! It occurs to me that you may be in a perfect position to help us here. You are now Orthodox, having been 'sola scriptura'; presumably you find something in the former that was not there in the latter? I don't mean to pry, and if you'd rather keep that to yourself, I quite understand.

peace,

Anglian

 

[MamaZ]

Why do you assume that it is in ritual that the fulness resides. I am glad you have found the Lord in your way; are you not able simply to accept that I have found Him in mine? Why the need to rehearse your prejudices about ritual?

peace,

Anglian

Well I guess I could say traditions. Have I ever said that you have not found the Lord? I know not your walk with the Lord for that is between you and He in a intimate relationship.. IT is not I that said we needed any more than Christ for the fulness of faith. Is this not what the OP is about? Why make this a personal issue with just you in mind? This is an issue that is trown around here all the time. That those of us who do not follow after tradition do not have the fullness of faith. All we need is Christ to have the fullness of Faith..

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Dear LLOJ,

Indeed! It occurs to me that you may be in a perfect position to help us here. You are now Orthodox, having been 'sola scriptura'; presumably you find something in the former that was not there in the latter? I don't mean to pry, and if you'd rather keep that to yourself, I quite understand.

peace,

Anglian

I mainly focused on learning the hebrew and greek of the OT/NT to better harmonize it.
I spent 6 months just translating the Jewish/Hebrew book of Revelation and I will just say, it was a very rewarding venture for me.

 

[Anglian]

Well I guess I could say traditions. Have I ever said that you have not found the Lord? I know not your walk with the Lord for that is between you and He in a intimate relationship.. IT is not I that said we needed any more than Christ for the fulness of faith. Is this not what the OP is about? Why make this a personal issue with just you in mind? This is an issue that is trown around here all the time. That those of us who do not follow after tradition do not have the fullness of faith. All we need is Christ to have the fullness of Faith..

Since you constantly tell us of your own inspiration, I thought it appropriate to tell you of mine; why so uncomfortable?

All we need, indeed, is Christ. Where we find His fulness, well, on that, He alone knows. If you have found it where you are, excellent. But it is not me who keeps mentioning tradition as though it is a dirty word.

peace,

Anglian

 

[MamaZ]

Since you constantly tell us of your own inspiration, I thought it appropriate to tell you of mine; why so uncomfortable?

All we need, indeed, is Christ. Where we find His fulness, well, on that, He alone knows. If you have found it where you are, excellent. But it is not me who keeps mentioning tradition as though it is a dirty word.

peace,

Anglian

Uncomfortable in what? This is the whole of the thread about fulness and tradtion is it not? Or did someone switch the OP?

 

[Anglian]

Uncomfortable in what? This is the whole of the thread about fulness and tradtion is it not? Or did someone switch the OP?

You seemed a trifle uncomfortable with the personal turn this took; if not, not. Since fulness involves all that can be known of the Faith, that includes Tradition, as though it we know Holy Scripture to be what it purports to be. Exclude anything and who knows what you miss? But seriously, why exclude anything that could help us know Him more nearly?

peace,

Anglian

 

[MamaZ]

You seemed a trifle uncomfortable with the personal turn this took; if not, not. Since fulness involves all that can be known of the Faith, that includes Tradition, as though it we know Holy Scripture to be what it purports to be. Exclude anything and who knows what you miss? But seriously, why exclude anything that could help us know Him more nearly?

peace,

Anglian

See this is where we seperate because I can know Christ fully through His written word without the traditions some hold as dear. I can open up the bible and read the scriptures which never change.. They are solid Ground I can stand on and believe in. I am not uncomfortable with personal testimony..

 

[simonthezealot]

Since you constantly tell us of your own inspiration, I thought it appropriate to tell you of mine; why so uncomfortable?

All we need, indeed, is Christ. Where we find His fulness, well, on that, He alone knows. If you have found it where you are, excellent. But it is not me who keeps mentioning tradition as though it is a dirty word.

peace,

Anglian

Well lets call things what they are, some of these traditions brought forth are at odds with scripture...A prime example in the roman church is having the assumption feast day as an obligatory service with mortal sin put upon the non-presciber.

Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands of God. Matt:15:9 also Isa 29:13

 

[Trento]

The solagogue mentality.A solagogue is someone who idolizes minimalist doctrine in the belief that nothing is pure but "Christ alone."
Since to solagogues "nothing is pure" (except "Christ alone"), they have a misguided obsession to strip off "layers of the religious onion" in a compulsive fashion, hunting frantically for the "pure" center - expecting to "know God" as Christ alone. Christians who fail to meet the standards set by a solagogue are incessently condemned or accused of legalism, false doctrines, or having "religion instead of Christ. Yet the standards set by solagogues are, hypocritically, super-legalistic or "religious" interpretations of Scripture.
I suspect solagogues may partly comprehend Christ's forgiveness, but have little or no knowledge of His love. Indeed, the solagogue objects reactively, believes almost nothing (except "Christ alone"), promotes partisan doubts, and idolizes "zero tolerance" (usually manifested as abuses of "tough love" concepts). This is in stark contrast to Scripture's picture for a healthy Christian: "Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things" (1Cor 13:7). Brent A.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The solagogue mentality.A solagogue is someone who idolizes minimalist doctrine in the belief that nothing is pure but "Christ alone."

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[Trento]

Well lets call things what they are, some of these traditions brought forth are at odds with scripture...A prime example in the roman church is having the assumption feast day as an obligatory service with mortal sin put upon the non-presciber.

Various Catholic doctrines not accepted by Protestants had a developmental history analogous to doctrines that were accepted by Protestants (such as the Trinity or the divinity and humanity of Christ. Such developments were, , the natural and beneficial consequences of reason working on the original revealed truth to draw out consequences that were not obvious at first thus become dogma.

These two verses clearly say that everything is NOT in the Bible, and that understanding and discernment by the Church will increase over time.

Matt 10:26, "Therefore, do not be afraid of them. FOR THERE IS NOTHING CONCEALED THAT WILL NOT BE DISCLOSED, AND NOTHING HIDDEN THAT WILL NOT BE REVEALED."

John 16:12-13, "Many things yet I have to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. BUT WHEN HE, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, HAS COME HE WILL TEACH YOU ALL THE TRUTH. FOR HE WILL NOT SPEAK ON HIS OWN AUTHORITY, BUT WHATEVER HE WILL HEAR HE WILL SPEAK, AND THE THINGS THAT ARE TO COME HE WILL DECLARE TO YOU."

 

[simonthezealot]

Christians who fail to meet the standards set by a solagogue are incessently condemned or accused of legalism, false doctrines, or having "religion instead of Christ.

AHHH the stench of religious relativity.

Trento the standard is set by God in His holy word and much of the bible is devoted to correcting false doctrine, MUCH of Christs teaching was corrective...All of Paul's epistles are as well. Paul consistently named those leading others astray...He even corrected Peter, Acts 17: 17 and 23 show Paul disputing doctrine on a daily basis.
In order to contend for the faith we must do the same.

Christ is the center, the pure perfect center.

He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

These two verses clearly say that everything is NOT in the Bible, and that understanding and discernment by the Church will increase over time.

That appears what my bro Daniel was told

Daniel 12:4And thou Daniye'l, stop-up! the words, and seal! the Scroll till time of end. They shall go to and fro, many ones, and The Knowledge/01847 da`ath shall abound.

Luke 11:52 "Woe to ye the Lawyers,that ye take away the Keyof the Knowledge, yeselves not enter and of the ones entering ye hinder/forbid' [Hosea 4:6]