I don't remember all the details but I seem to recall that he plagiarized [Kenyon, I think] and then was confronted about it later, but denied plagiarizing.
Did I get that correct??
Did I get that correct??
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Did Kenneth Hagin plagiarize? I seem to have read about this somewhere ...
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Simon Peter
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I don't remember all the details but I seem to recall that he plagiarized [Kenyon, I think] and then was confronted about it later, but denied plagiarizing.
Did I get that correct??
Yes, you are right.
Kenneth Hagin (the father of the modern Word of Faith movement) heavily plagiarized E. W. Kenyon (1867-1948) an author who was influenced by 'New Thought' (New Age positive thinking spirituality).
When confronted by his publisher, Hagin couldn't deny the many blatant 'word for word' examples, so took he used the defense that "God" had given him the words to say, and why couldn't God have given him the same words as Kenyon!!!
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So?
Plagiarism on the scale committed by Hagin is a very easy "crime" to prove. Whenever someone "writes" entire paragraphs that are word for word exactly like someone else's previously published work without putting it in quotation marks and citing the source, it's plagiarism.
It doesn't matter whether Kenyon's family realizes or admits it's plagiarism. (And just because they don't pursue legal action to protect the copyright, doesn't mean it wasn't plagiarism.)
Lying is lying.
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Simon Peter
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hmmm...I don't think this is correct:
Kenyon's own daughter, Ruth Kenyon Houseworth, easily recognizes her father's message upon the lips of Faith leaders. She says:
"They've (Faith teachers) all copied from my dad. [E. W. Kenyon] They've changed it a little bit and added their own touch....but they couldn't change the wording...These that are coming along now that have been in the ministry for just a few years and claiming that this is something that they are just starting, it makes you laugh a little bit. It's very difficult for some people to be big enough to give credit to somebody else." [ E.W. Kenyon, The Father and His Family, Lynnwood WA.: Kenyon's Gospel Publishing Society, 1964, p.118.]
A man who, on occasion, ministered with Kenyon was one time friend John Kennington, pastor of Emmanuel Temple in Portland, Oregon. He has this to say concerning the plagiarism of Kenyon's teachings:
"Today Kenyon's teachings are in the ascendancy. Via the electronic church or in the printed page I readily recognize not only Kenyon's concepts, but at times , I recognize pure plagiarism, for I can almost tell you book, chapter and page where the material is coming from. Kenyon has become the 'father' of the so-called 'Faith' movement."
source: http://www.intotruth.org/wof/kenyon.html
source: http://www.intotruth.org/wof/kenyon.html
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Simon Peter
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E. W. Kenyon
Kenneth E. Hagin, Sr.
The twenty-second Psalm gives a
The 22nd Psalm gives a
graphic picture of the crucifixion
graphic picture of the crucifixion
of Jesus. It is more vivid than
of Jesus-more vivid than
that of John, Matthew or Mark
that of John, Matthew or Mark
who witnessed it.
witnessed it.
But He says the strangest words,
He utters the strange words
"But thou are holy."
"But thou are holy."
What does that mean?
What does that mean?
He is becoming sin.
He is becoming sin. . . .
Can you hear those parched lips cry,
His parched lips cry,
"I am a worm and no man."?
"I am a worm and no man."
He is spiritually dead. The worm.
He is spiritually dead-the worm.
Jesus had died of a ruptured heart.
Jesus died of a ruptured heart.
When that happened, blood from all
When it happened, blood from all
parts of the body poured in through
parts of His body poured through
the rent, into the sack that
the rent into the sack which
holds the heart. Then as the body
holds the heart. As the body
cooled, the red corpuscles
cooled, the red corpuscles
coagulated and rose to the
coagulated and rose to the
top. The white serum settled
top, the white serum settled
to the bottom. When that
to the bottom When that
Roman soldier's spear pierced the
Roman spear pierced the
sack, water poured out first. Then
sack, water poured out first, then
the coagulated blood oozed out,
the coagulated blood oozed out,
rolled down His side onto the
rolling down his side onto the
ground, and John bore witness of it.
ground. John bore witness of it.
(What happened from the Cross to the
Throne [Seattle: Kenyon's Gospel
Publishing Society, 1969, 44-45])
("Christ our Substitute", The Word
of Faith [March 1975]), pp. 1,4,5,7)
If this doesn't convince you, there's plenty more where this came from.
Hagin plagiarized Kenyon (word for word) in at least EIGHT of his books. It's shameful that the church seems to turn a blind eye to this sort of thing
Kenneth E. Hagin, Sr.
The twenty-second Psalm gives a
The 22nd Psalm gives a
graphic picture of the crucifixion
graphic picture of the crucifixion
of Jesus. It is more vivid than
of Jesus-more vivid than
that of John, Matthew or Mark
that of John, Matthew or Mark
who witnessed it.
witnessed it.
But He says the strangest words,
He utters the strange words
"But thou are holy."
"But thou are holy."
What does that mean?
What does that mean?
He is becoming sin.
He is becoming sin. . . .
Can you hear those parched lips cry,
His parched lips cry,
"I am a worm and no man."?
"I am a worm and no man."
He is spiritually dead. The worm.
He is spiritually dead-the worm.
Jesus had died of a ruptured heart.
Jesus died of a ruptured heart.
When that happened, blood from all
When it happened, blood from all
parts of the body poured in through
parts of His body poured through
the rent, into the sack that
the rent into the sack which
holds the heart. Then as the body
holds the heart. As the body
cooled, the red corpuscles
cooled, the red corpuscles
coagulated and rose to the
coagulated and rose to the
top. The white serum settled
top, the white serum settled
to the bottom. When that
to the bottom When that
Roman soldier's spear pierced the
Roman spear pierced the
sack, water poured out first. Then
sack, water poured out first, then
the coagulated blood oozed out,
the coagulated blood oozed out,
rolled down His side onto the
rolling down his side onto the
ground, and John bore witness of it.
ground. John bore witness of it.
(What happened from the Cross to the
Throne [Seattle: Kenyon's Gospel
Publishing Society, 1969, 44-45])
("Christ our Substitute", The Word
of Faith [March 1975]), pp. 1,4,5,7)
If this doesn't convince you, there's plenty more where this came from.
Hagin plagiarized Kenyon (word for word) in at least EIGHT of his books. It's shameful that the church seems to turn a blind eye to this sort of thing
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Elijah2
No weapons formed against me will prosper.
Is this palagirising?
The twenty-second Psalm gives a
The 22nd Psalm gives a
graphic picture of the crucifixion
graphic picture of the crucifixion
of Jesus. It is more vivid than
of Jesus-more vivid than
that of John, Matthew or Mark
that of John, Matthew or Mark
who witnessed it.
witnessed it.
Psalm 22 describes the crucifixion of our Lord Jesus Christ graphically, and is more crystal-clear than John, Matthew, or Mark.
But He says the strangest words,
He utters the strange words
"But thou are holy."
"But thou are holy."
What does that mean?
What does that mean?
He is becoming sin.
He is becoming sin. . . .
Our Lord Jesus Christ uttered strange words: “But thou are holy!” What does those word means to us? Is HE becoming our sin?
Can you hear those parched lips cry,
His parched lips cry,
"I am a worm and no man."?
"I am a worm and no man."
He is spiritually dead. The worm.
He is spiritually dead-the worm.
Can you imagine and hear His parched lips cry out: “I am a worm and no man”?
Jesus had died of a ruptured heart.
Jesus died of a ruptured heart.
When our Lord Jesus Christ died, he died of a ruptured heart.
When that happened, blood from all
When it happened, blood from all
parts of the body poured in through
parts of His body poured through
the rent, into the sack that
the rent into the sack which
holds the heart.
When this happened, the blood throughout His body poured into His heart and filled the area of His heart.
Then as the body
holds the heart. As the body
cooled, the red corpuscles
cooled, the red corpuscles
coagulated and rose to the
coagulated and rose to the
top.
Then as His body cooled,the red corpuscles coagulated and rose to the top of His heart.
The white serum settled
top, the white serum settled
to the bottom. When that
to the bottom When that
And the white serum settled to the bottom of His heart.
Roman soldier's spear pierced the
Roman spear pierced the
sack, water poured out first. Then
sack, water poured out first, then
the coagulated blood oozed out,
the coagulated blood oozed out,
rolled down His side onto the
rolling down his side onto the
ground, and John bore witness of it.
ground. John bore witness of it.
The Roman’s soldier’s spear pierced our Lord Jesus Christ’s heart sack, and water poured out from it. Then the coagulated blood oozed out, rolling down His side and onto the ground.
John witnessed the whole event.
The twenty-second Psalm gives a
The 22nd Psalm gives a
graphic picture of the crucifixion
graphic picture of the crucifixion
of Jesus. It is more vivid than
of Jesus-more vivid than
that of John, Matthew or Mark
that of John, Matthew or Mark
who witnessed it.
witnessed it.
Psalm 22 describes the crucifixion of our Lord Jesus Christ graphically, and is more crystal-clear than John, Matthew, or Mark.
But He says the strangest words,
He utters the strange words
"But thou are holy."
"But thou are holy."
What does that mean?
What does that mean?
He is becoming sin.
He is becoming sin. . . .
Our Lord Jesus Christ uttered strange words: “But thou are holy!” What does those word means to us? Is HE becoming our sin?
Can you hear those parched lips cry,
His parched lips cry,
"I am a worm and no man."?
"I am a worm and no man."
He is spiritually dead. The worm.
He is spiritually dead-the worm.
Can you imagine and hear His parched lips cry out: “I am a worm and no man”?
Jesus had died of a ruptured heart.
Jesus died of a ruptured heart.
When our Lord Jesus Christ died, he died of a ruptured heart.
When that happened, blood from all
When it happened, blood from all
parts of the body poured in through
parts of His body poured through
the rent, into the sack that
the rent into the sack which
holds the heart.
When this happened, the blood throughout His body poured into His heart and filled the area of His heart.
Then as the body
holds the heart. As the body
cooled, the red corpuscles
cooled, the red corpuscles
coagulated and rose to the
coagulated and rose to the
top.
Then as His body cooled,the red corpuscles coagulated and rose to the top of His heart.
The white serum settled
top, the white serum settled
to the bottom. When that
to the bottom When that
And the white serum settled to the bottom of His heart.
Roman soldier's spear pierced the
Roman spear pierced the
sack, water poured out first. Then
sack, water poured out first, then
the coagulated blood oozed out,
the coagulated blood oozed out,
rolled down His side onto the
rolling down his side onto the
ground, and John bore witness of it.
ground. John bore witness of it.
The Roman’s soldier’s spear pierced our Lord Jesus Christ’s heart sack, and water poured out from it. Then the coagulated blood oozed out, rolling down His side and onto the ground.
John witnessed the whole event.
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Simon Peter
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Yes, because you didn't reference the source/author that influenced your writing.
Hagin's is a particularly egregious case, because he actually copies, almost word for word, many of Kenyon's writings.
Apparently, Hagin also plagiarized an author called MacMillan.
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Do you know what?.......it makes me feel so sad at times to see that CHRISTIANS...SUPPOSEDLY WITH CHRIST IN...can spend their time picking like vultures over the sins of another.
might be good to meditate on the fact that as you sow...so shall you reap....and when you next need some mercy...maybe when you do something sooo wrong and then feel too proud to say sorry cos you feel too exposed....come on now.... maybe some sweet mercy might be just what would save your life. IM NOT SAYING WHAT HE DID WAS RIGHT, IF HE DID IT, GOD KNOWS.AND ITS GODS JOB TO JUDGE.
WHAT ABOUT THE BLOOD!!
GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in thy sight.-in the psalms, i cant remember which one...maybe go and find it and give yourselves something better to do
might be good to meditate on the fact that as you sow...so shall you reap....and when you next need some mercy...maybe when you do something sooo wrong and then feel too proud to say sorry cos you feel too exposed....come on now.... maybe some sweet mercy might be just what would save your life. IM NOT SAYING WHAT HE DID WAS RIGHT, IF HE DID IT, GOD KNOWS.AND ITS GODS JOB TO JUDGE.
WHAT ABOUT THE BLOOD!!
GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in thy sight.-in the psalms, i cant remember which one...maybe go and find it and give yourselves something better to do
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Simon Peter
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The Old and New Testaments are filled with Prophets and Apostles who exposed and pointed out the sin within the people of God.
If you are one of those Christians who believe that this should not be done, why do you point out my apparent sin? Why do you judge me?
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Simon Peter
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Hi Elijah2
To be fair, in the context of this thread, you weren't really trying to pass off your writing as your own thoughts and ideas. So technically you did not commit plagiarism.
Not sure what you mean by:
To be fair, in the context of this thread, you weren't really trying to pass off your writing as your own thoughts and ideas. So technically you did not commit plagiarism.
Not sure what you mean by:
Well I guess all Christians are plagiarisers!
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I Will Not Meditate On Your Sin.....i Wont Repeat Your Sin To Others. I Will Point It Out To .....you...if I Feel The Spirit Lead Me To. Its Not Always My Mouth To Speak Truth. I Followed The Spirit. Its Over For Me.
But If You Want To Go On Poiting Out Our Brother Hagins Sin.........ask Jesus To Join In
But If You Want To Go On Poiting Out Our Brother Hagins Sin.........ask Jesus To Join In
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Simon Peter
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Neither will I meditate on Hagin's sins.
You already have pointed out my "sin" to others!
This is a public forum. I did not get a Private Message from you.
Personally, I think it's fine to publically expose the unrepentant sin of prominent leaders within the 'people of God'.
Seriously Loved33, if it's OK for you to publically point out my 'sin', if you feel the Spirit leads you to, why am I not allowed to do the same?
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55 posts and 77 million reps??? Things that make you go "hmm..."
Something about your posting tells me we butted heads in the Todd Bentley topics. You cry "mercy" for your hero, but "judgment" for your debate opponent. Either both get mercy, or neither. Screaming "mercy" in an angry and hateful way completely makes it no mercy at all.
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Elijah2
No weapons formed against me will prosper.
We Aussies talk differently.
What I was basically saying, that many Christians make notes from sermons, His Word, and from other books and as you are writing your articles and those words come to mind, so you write them down, not knowing that they came from such a sermon, or a book, and the words are exactly the same as the original author. Now this is normal, because we tell stories or share testimonies from books, etc., etc., so therefore, we are palagirising, unkowingly or knowingly, are we?
Do you get the drift?
Blessings mate!
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