busterdog
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Like how, here in Australia, it's not legal for an under-18 to buy alcohol but it's entirely legal for the kid to scull as much as he wants as long as someone overage buys it for him? Sneaky schoolies.
I don't really know. You may be interested to know that over in Malaysia, we don't actually have evolution in our high-school syllabus. I'm not sure if we have it in our state-run 18-19-year-old pre-university courses but I doubt so, either. Ronald Numbers' The Creationists classified this as a creationist education system and upon hindsight that's not too surprising.
Then again, Malaysia is two-thirds Muslim. Probably not a good model for you white folk.![]()
No doubt religious education is problematic. I dont doubt that it is a troublesome issue. That is not a reason to avoid it.
And when the kid is 17 1/2, I say, dont have a cow, give him a beer. (But not a six pack or the car.) And, when called upon to participate in public school, I would say, "If you dont like it, sue me."
"Consider the possibility that indeed God did it"? I know God did it.![]()
I find I am starting to forget what we agree on and what we dont. Its all starting to sound the same.
As long as this is the way that the issue is posed - "Okay, we can teach kids that science did it or we can teach kids that God did it" - then Christian theism has lost, pure and simple. It may be obvious to the atheist that God is not an option. What is not obvious is that, to the theist, God cannot be an option either.* God is not an option; God is essential.
But, isnt God always an option? Even the words says
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
I dont think God is shy about stacking His life against the other option. And, being post-fall, its a bit late to quibble anyway.
But, even an atheist would respond to sincerity, humility and pedagogical zeal to seek the truth and impart it honestly.
The bigger danger is that religion would be taught badly. But, kids arent all morons. They can do a lot with a little truth. They ought to have the chance.
In practical terms, I think Newtonian mechanics are a good example. There are plenty of gaps in Newtonian mechanics. There's lots of nature that it can't explain. Do we see high-school textbooks mentioning that? When I was learning about Newtonian mechanics in school there was no mention at all of regimes in which it didn't work. Why doesn't anybody want to teach the Newtonian controversy?
Good example.
Every scientific theory has its limitations, its regime outside which it breaks down. I wonder if there is any point teaching children about where a scientific theory breaks down unless they can be shown what picks it up after that. Of course, that probably reflects my bias as a scientist.
Apart from any religious content, I think your example is an area where great humility is dictated, or at least, very, very helpful. I can understand why many would want to avoid didactic Sister Mary Elephant administering the ruler to students who dont understand creationist principles. Such things appeal to the pride of religious understanding. By contrast, the limitations you mention speak for one of the most naturally rewarding and reliable qualities -- humility. Brain power is all well and good, but humility has such enormous power in finding answers. "Goddidit" is compatible with the humility one needs to examine difficult subjects. There are other ways to encourage humility, but none are inherently any better than saying, Here is God, with a whole heaping pile of the most mysterious answers, compared to you, with relatively few answers.
Humility also allows religion to be taught as other things are taught, rather than imparted by manipulation.
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