6 point proof for the post trib rapture

[A Brother In Christ]

Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter

this verse is a very general statement of an outline

rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door [was] opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard [was] as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

revelations 1-3 is dealing with the church

rev 4-5 is the church promises fulfilled and activity while waiting for the marriage supper

Rev 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

The church is still here during the wrath which God will pour out on the earth. IN fact, they are responsible for the coming of some of the plagues.

Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

The other witnesses are angels who preach the everlasting Gospel for the first time.

Look at Rev 14

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed [are] the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
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It goes on to give the order of how the endtime judgement will be ministered out. First the vine of the earth is gathered and pressed into the winepress of the wrath of God. At this time will the church be separated from the wicked and this is where the rapture is done. During the wrath of God, not before for God will keep His people. Many will be killed for their testimony ala the two witnesses.

But the bottom line is, the church is here during the wrath poured out on sinful man. They are the last chance for many who will here them before they are taken by God. They are that which restrains and until they are taken out of the way, mankind still has a chance for salvation. What is the meaning of salvation? To be saved from the wrath of God which will befall all who do not heed the call.

hismessenger

God has already place us up in the heavens ... eph 2:4-7 ... rev 4 is when it happens

 

[Hismessenger]

A Brother in Christ,

What you are doing is denying The word of God as given In Revelation 11. The two candlesticks are the church. The two witnesses are defined as two olive trees and two candlesticks of which the word has told you that the candlesticks are the church.

The church brings the plagues on fallen man while they are witnessing for those who would be saved. This is part of the wrath of God Which we the church will sit in judgment on right here on the earth before any rapture takes place.

The false doctrine has been exposed and for anyone to hold to the lie is herescy. Believe what you want but God has revealed the truth to you and now it becomes your choice to believe it or not. I thank God for my part in His truth. To Him belongs all the honor and glory.

hismessenger

 

[Hismessenger]

Rev 4 speaks nothing of the church we are talking about ,but rather the elders of the church who came out of the old and new testament before the wrath of God begins.

Show us where it speaks of the church being taken.

hismessenger

 

[A Brother In Christ]

A Brother in Christ,

What you are doing is denying The word of God as given In Revelation 11. The two candlesticks are the church. The two witnesses are defined as two olive trees and two candlesticks of which the word has told you that the candlesticks are the church.

zech 4:1-14, Mal 4:5, romans 11:16-25.. Mystery

The church brings the plagues on fallen man while they are witnessing for those who would be saved. This is part of the wrath of God Which we the church will sit in judgment on right here on the earth before any rapture takes place.

rev 20:11.. 2 peter 3:10-12 no more earth at the Great White throne judgement

The false doctrine has been exposed and for anyone to hold to the lie is herescy. Believe what you want but God has revealed the truth to you and now it becomes your choice to believe it or not. I thank God for my part in His truth. To Him belongs all the honor and glory.

hismessenger

Rev 4 speaks nothing of the church we are talking about ,but rather the elders of the church who came out of the old and new testament before the wrath of God begins.

Show us where it speaks of the church being taken.

hismessenger

Rev 4:4 And round about the throne.... promised rev 3:21 [were] four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders ... Rev 5:9-11 sitting.... promised heb 4:9-10 , clothed in white raiment... promised rev 3:5 ; and they had on their heads crowns .... 1 thes 2:19, 2 tim 4:8, james 1:12, 1 peter 5:4, 1 cor 9:25 of gold

How was promised all these things and who gets them ... US!

 

[Hismessenger]

A Brother in Christ. Did you read what the word says and still you want to hang on to this false doctrine of a pre-trib rapture. If you want to see the real rapture look at verses 3-14 in Rev 11. The rapture comes after the witnesses have been killed for their testimony verse 12. The simple fact of the matter is that the church is still here during the wrath upon fallen mankind. It is the church which restrains and until they have finished their testimony, The full wrath of God will not fall. But they are here during the second woe of which they are responsible for instigateting some parts of it.

Come to the light brother and live for believeing lies will only lead to sin and death.

hismessenger

 

[A Brother In Christ]

The person yelling Heresy usually is spreading heresy

 

[ezek33]

1st i will say Onwingsaseagles is dead on, he has given an irrefutable argument for the truth of the posttrib rapture.

 

[ezek33]

A Brother in Christ. Did you read what the word says and still you want to hang on to this false doctrine of a pre-trib rapture. If you want to see the real rapture look at verses 3-14 in Rev 11. The rapture comes after the witnesses have been killed for their testimony verse 12. The simple fact of the matter is that the church is still here during the wrath upon fallen mankind. It is the church which restrains and until they have finished their testimony, The full wrath of God will not fall. But they are here during the second woe of which they are responsible for instigateting some parts of it.

Come to the light brother and live for believeing lies will only lead to sin and death.

hismessenger

Hismessenger are you promoting a midtrib rapture?

 

[ezek33]

The person yelling Heresy usually is spreading heresy

BIC, If your statement is true I would suggest you stop yelling and teaching heresies.

 

[Hismessenger]

ezek33

Hismessenger are you promoting a midtrib rapture?

The answer is no. If you look at the timeline you will see that when the witnesses are taken, it brings about the end of the tribulation for during the thousand year reign, Satan is locked down. When He is released for the last time, it will bring His end and the judgment upon fallen mankind.

When the witnesses have finished their testimony. What did Christ say on the cross, It is finished. The world as we know it will be at an end and Christ will rule with a rod of iron during the millineum reign.

So It depends upon your understanding of what the end is.

hismessenger

 

[ezek33]

ezek33

The answer is no. If you look at the timeline you will see that when the witnesses are taken, it brings about the end of the tribulation for during the thousand year reign, Satan is locked down. When He is released for the last time, it will bring His end and the judgment upon fallen mankind.

When the witnesses have finished their testimony. What did Christ say on the cross, It is finished. The world as we know it will be at an end and Christ will rule with a rod of iron during the millineum reign.

So It depends upon your understanding of what the end is.

hismessenger

I agree totally, the witnesses are killed at the end of the trib not the middle and the rapture is post trib

 

[A Brother In Christ]

BIC, If your statement is true I would suggest you stop yelling and teaching heresies.

when did I yell? .....

 

[ezek33]

BIC, If your statement is true I would suggest you stop yelling and teaching heresies.

when did I yell? .....

So what your saying is you are not yelling just teaching heresies?

 

[A Brother In Christ]

neither just going to scripture and point to differences out in scripture.... if anyone cares

 

[Hismessenger]

Brother in Christ,

That is what we have also done with more scripture saying what it is we have brought forth without supposition and theology. They word says what it says plainly. If you don't understand it them ask for understanding and He will give it to you. Not doctrines of man, but truth of God through the Holy Spirit.


hismessenger

 

[A Brother In Christ]

I have and I have seen scripture and it is alive ... by looking at difference of scripture


By the way what food law do you hold too?

 

[Hismessenger]

Christ's liberty in Him.

hismessenger

 

[A Brother In Christ]

so you do notice some differences.. wow

 

[Hismessenger]

Let me make it totally clear. Our liberty in Him.

hismessenger

 

[A Brother In Christ]

so if different food laws

why not different resurrections