What Would YOU Do If . . .?

[CCGirl]

I'd find him a woman he could not resist. Because I believe there is a woman out there for EVERY man. Even homosexual men. THe problem is they are so far into their own lifestyle that they won't give a good modest decent woman a chance. They have become so surrounded by bold, loud, arrogant women that they haven't got the faintest idea of what a real woman is. ANd once they found one, they would leave that lifestyle in a second. The problem is they haven't truly searched for that special woman yet and haven't made the effort. Children, good wife, family, pet. No sane man would give that up for anything and no gay lifestyle can replace it.

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You must be joking??

ANd while some christian family may produce children who have homosexual urges, most homosexuals seem to come from familys that had some sort of sexual/family abuse in them, or an overbearing father or mother.

Source?

 

[OphidiaPhile]

I'd find him a woman he could not resist. Because I believe there is a woman out there for EVERY man. Even homosexual men.

I do not think you understand that heterosexuality is an inate orientation and not a lifestyle or a sex act, homosexual men are not remotely attracted to any woman just as you are not attracted to any man (AFAIK).

THe problem is they are so far into their own lifestyle that they won't give a good modest decent woman a chance.

Equating modest and decent is ridiculous, there are plenty of wonderful decent women that are not modest.


And I am curious as to what is your definition of modest.

And homosexual does not equal a different lifestyle, they are NOT attracted to women and never will be.

They have become so surrounded by bold, loud, arrogant women that they haven't got the faintest idea of what a real woman is.

Where are all of these bold, arrogant women you always speak of unless you are confusing smart, articulate and confident with bold, loud and arrogant.

ANd once they found one, they would leave that lifestyle in a second.

Again, that is not how it works.

The problem is they haven't truly searched for that special woman yet and haven't made the effort.

So if you made the effort could you find a nice attractive man that you could have that with, if not then you get the idea (I hope).

Children, good wife, family, pet. No sane man would give that up for anything and no gay lifestyle can replace it.

Replace wife with partner or husband and it is the same.

Although that does not sound that appealing to me, I would much rather be able to travel and increase the snake collection while giving more time to the job and business.

ANd while some christian family may produce children who have homosexual urges, most homosexuals seem to come from familys that had some sort of sexual/family abuse in them, or an overbearing father or mother.

There is no evidence at all that your assertion is anything more that wishful thinking on your part and has no basis in actual fact. Please post a peer reviewed study that proves your assertion or retract it.

 

[cantata]

I'd find him a woman he could not resist.

Once again, you speak as if gay women don't exist.

Or perhaps they just don't matter? Maybe if your daughter were a lesbian you'd be fine with that?

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Once again, you speak as if gay women don't exist.

Or perhaps they just don't matter? Maybe if your daughter were a lesbian you'd be fine with that?

Im talking in general reference if there was a son.

Also women who like other women usually identify themselves as lesbian, not gay or homosexual.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

I'd find him a woman he could not resist. Because I believe there is a woman out there for EVERY man. Even homosexual men. THe problem is they are so far into their own lifestyle that they won't give a good modest decent woman a chance. They have become so surrounded by bold, loud, arrogant women that they haven't got the faintest idea of what a real woman is. ANd once they found one, they would leave that lifestyle in a second. The problem is they haven't truly searched for that special woman yet and haven't made the effort. Children, good wife, family, pet. No sane man would give that up for anything and no gay lifestyle can replace it.

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You must be joking??




Source?

Do you have anything to contibute to threads other than 4 word sentence ad hominems? Or are humanists just that limited??

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Im talking in general reference if there was a son.

Also women who like other women usually identify themselves as lesbian, not gay or homosexual.

Lesbian and gay are the same as homosexual

 

[CreedIsChrist]

I do not think you understand that heterosexuality is an inate orientation and not a lifestyle or a sex act, homosexual men are not remotely attracted to any woman just as you are not attracted to any man (AFAIK).

Oh I see now. So you put sexual attraction above true happiness and true love. A god abiding person would not care about what he's attracted to, but rather obeying God.

Equating modest and decent is ridiculous, there are plenty of wonderful decent women that are not modest.

Well according to the Word decent women are modest. If anything bold women is what led to the feminization of men which has increased homosexuality probably.

And I am curious as to what is your definition of modest.

Corinthians Chapter 11 and 12. Timothy Chapter 2.

Women, for their part, should display their beauty by dressing modestly and decently in appropriate clothes, not by braiding their hair or by wearing gold, pearls, or expensive clothes. but through good works. This is proper for women who claim to revere God. A woman must learn quietly and submissively. Moreover, I do not allow a woman to teach or to usurp authority over a man. Instead, she is to be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived. It was the woman who was deceived and became a lawbreaker. However, women will be saved by having children, if they continue to have faith, love, and holiness, along with good judgment - 1 Timothy 2:10-15

And homosexual does not equal a different lifestyle, they are NOT attracted to women and never will be.

again you put sexual attraction over the true plan of God and true happiness. This is the trap of lust.

Where are all of these bold, arrogant women you always speak of unless you are confusing smart, articulate and confident with bold, loud and arrogant.

The Godly modest woman is the smartest of them all. It may not seem like it to you, but then again "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God"

Again, that is not how it works.

Actually since the begining of time that IS how it works. Otherwise we would be extinct.

So if you made the effort could you find a nice attractive man that you could have that with, if not then you get the idea (I hope).

If thats what GOd planned, then yes.

Replace wife with partner or husband and it is the same.

Although that does not sound that appealing to me, I would much rather be able to travel and increase the snake collection while giving more time to the job and business.

But it isn't the same. THat is the problem. Gay couples cannot even have their own children with the wife they love. There is no nurturer and caretaker in their lives. A man cannot replace the God given instinct of the woman that she gives to her family and children. Its called Maternal instinct, I suggest you read up on it.

There is no evidence at all that your assertion is anything more that wishful thinking on your part and has no basis in actual fact. Please post a peer reviewed study that proves your assertion or retract it

Significant numbers of victims are males: Up to one-third of all sex crimes against children are committed against boys (as opposed to girls).



The Associated Press noted in late 1998 that, according to an analysis of 166 studies covering the years 1985-97: "As many as one in five boys is sexually abused....It [also] concluded that sexual abuse of boys is underreported and undertreated....Earlier studies have shown that 25 percent to 35 percent of girls are sexually abused."3
(According to a JAMA review of literature re the sexual abuse of boys, only 10%-33% of male abuse victims ever tell anyone about that abuse.4 The review also found that: "Abused [male] adolescents, particularly those victimized by males, were up to 7 times more likely to self-identify as gay or bisexual than peers who had not been abused."5 And regarding female abuse victims, one study found that 38% of adult women ages 18-31 who were sexually abused when young [between ages 10 months to 12 years] did not remember that they were sexually abused when young.6) Whatever the true percentages are of male and female sex abuse victims, considering how high the suggested/reported numbers are compared to the percentage of the population that is homosexual (only 1%-2%), we can see that sexual abuse can theoretically account for every case of homosexuality.



1. H. MacMillan, "Prevalence of Child Physical and Sexual Abuse in the Community," JAMA, July 9, 1997, p. 131.
2. James E. Soukup, Understanding and Living With People Who Are Mentally Ill (Springfield, IL: Charles C. Thomas Publishers, 1995), p. 104.
3. Associated Press, "Study: As many as 1 in 5 boys sexually abused," Chicago Tribune, Dec. 2, 1998, section 1, p. 22.
4. W.C. Holmes and G.B. Slap, "Sexual Abuse of Boys," JAMA, Dec. 2, 1998, p. 1859.
5. Ibid.
6. Jennifer A. Hurley (editor), Child Abuse: Opposing Viewpoints (San Diego: Greenhaven Press, 1999), pp. 113-14.
7. John Leland and Mark Miller, "Can Gays Convert?", Newsweek, Aug. 17, 1998, p. 49.
8. Robert Kunzig, "Finding the Switch," Psychology Today, May/June 2008, pp. 90 and 93.
9. Louis Diamant (editor), Male and Female Homosexuality: Psychological Approaches (Washington, DC: Hemisphere Publishing Corp., 1987), pp. 84-6.
10. Support for the position that homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to sexually abuse children can be found in the following sources:
Ray Blanchard, et al., "Fraternal Birth Order and Sexual Orientation in Pedophiles," Archives of Sexual Behavior 29 (2000), p. 464. John M.W. Bradford, et al., "The Heterogeneity/Homogeneity of Pedophilia," Psychiatric Journal of the University of Ottawa 13 (1988), p. 218. Michelle Elliott, "Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What Offenders Tell Us," Child Abuse and Neglect 19 (1995), p. 581. Kurt Freund, et al., "Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference, " Journal of Sex Research 26 (1989), pp. 107-17. This is an odd article in that it actually states (in a bow to political correctness?) that there is no correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia but provides clear statistics that indicate there is such a correlation. Zebulon A. Silverthorne and Vernon L. Quinsey, "Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women," Archives of Sexual Behavior 29 (2000), pp. 67-76.





http://www.home60515.com/3.html

Male adults' homosexuality and their relationship with a father figure and sexual abuse.
Mireles-Vieyra MP, Lopez-Aguilera ML; International Conference on AIDS.
Int Conf AIDS. 2002 Jul 7-12; 14: abstract no. TuPeD4912. Profin VIH. A.C., Distrito Federal, Mexico
BACKGROUND: It is frequently taken as a fact that male homosexuality is related to a biologic alteration or by the subject's free will, in our experience none of the two options is accurate, because in most cases the male homosexual preference surges from sexual-erotic impositions occurred during infancy and intimately conditioned or favored by an inadequate father-son relationship.METHODS: longitudinal, retrospective, and analytic study of 500 HIV positive men with homosexual orientation and 500 HIV men with bisexual preference, the studied variables are related to the infancy of the subjects, its emotional characteristics in their filial relationship, as well as the existence or not of sexual abuse. RESULTS: In a strictly homosexual population, a prolonged or total father-figure absence background before their 7 years of age, resulted statistically significant, likewise the occurrence of a sexual abuse episode in early infancy. In 90% of the latter, the victim considered himself responsible, even if he had been forced by a person 10 or more years his elder, and 87% of the incidents happened with a relative; in cases were the rapist or aggressor was identified, it was found that 9 out of 10 of them were currently married and had children. In the bisexual group, the presence of a negative, emotionally inaccessible or aggressive father figure, was characteristic, the homosexual encounter in this group happened between 9 and 17 years of age with the subject's consent, who initiated early moderate or intense alcoholism in 67% of the cases. Sexual abuse also existed in 23% of the men in this group,but more significantly related to demonstrations of affection. CONCLUSIONS: The homosexual orientation is highly related to infant affective-emotional situations between the child and his father figure, providing a higher potential risk for sexual abuse or as to the search of male figures replacing an absent or negative filial affection.

http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102256512.html

 

[cantata]

Im talking in general reference if there was a son.

As you always do.

Presumably because, to you, "homosexual" automatically translates to "ew, bumsecks".

Also women who like other women usually identify themselves as lesbian, not gay or homosexual.

That is not my experience. I doubt it is yours either. How many gay women do you know? I think you are talking through your hat.

And how many men do you know who identify themselves as "homosexuals"? I've noticed it's mostly the people who hate them who call them that.

 

[JTKIRK]

As you always do.

Presumably because, to you, "homosexual" automatically translates to "ew, bumsecks".



That is not my experience. I doubt it is yours either. How many gay women do you know? I think you are talking through your hat.

And how many men do you know who identify themselves as "homosexuals"? I've noticed it's mostly the people who hate them who call them that.

Cantata, I agree with you that most here seem to see "Homosexuality" as a male thing, I think it is because of the sodomy part. What seems to be the case is those that protest about it the loudest are inclined in that direction themselves.

 

[CCGirl]

Do you have anything to contibute to threads other than 4 word sentence ad hominems? Or are humanists just that limited??

Speaking of ad hominens.........Please provide a source.

 

[JTKIRK]

Cantata, I agree with you that most here seem to see "Homosexuality" as a male thing, I think it is because of the sodomy part. What seems to be the case is those that protest about it the loudest are inclined in that direction themselves.

Cantata, I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter.

 

[keith99]

Cantata, I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter.

She has left until June or so, when her exams are over.

Looks like at least 2 people who have not commented in her au revior thread will miss her.

 

[GMRELIC]

Can I rent Prayers for Bobby?

It will be on television the evening of January 24th, I think it is going to be on Lifetime, but not sure, but do know it will be on the 24th

 

[allhart]

Speaking of ad hominens.........Please provide a source.

Jesus is meek not weak... Your phrase is very provocative and offensive to say the least. Your thoughts are weak; to the contrary try not doing what it is you can't stop from doing and It's O.K. to be a warrior of God. We stand for truth; in righteousness. Why does that bother you, anyhow? I feel I probably shouldn't be saying anything at all to you,but I will rub shoulders with you to try to understand you perception; of what is to be weak; even though as distasteful as it is. That is a thought Have you tried loving on others. When they are plainly haten you? Like I said meek not weak...

 

[SiderealExalt]

We stand for truth; in righteousness.

*shrugs* and suicide bombers think the same thing. I am no more impressed or moved to consider it a positive thing when people who are saner say it.

 

[Beanieboy]

I'd find him a woman he could not resist. Because I believe there is a woman out there for EVERY man. Even homosexual men.
ANd while some christian family may produce children who have homosexual urges, most homosexuals seem to come from familys that had some sort of sexual/family abuse in them, or an overbearing father or mother.

As a gay man, I kind of have a little of the girl side, and a little of the boy. I can watch the preOscars with my partner and be catty about the dresses. With a heterosexual couple, the girl says, "Do you like that dress," and the guy is only thinking how good it would look on the floor of his bedroom. We were friends with girls in kindergarten, and friends with boys, but they weren't friends with each other, and hated each other. So, you would look at the girls, saying, "I like kitties. And dolls." and look at boys, "I like to flush frogs down the toilet." Girls: My Little Pony, My Little Pony Boys: The 4 Horses of the Apocalpse, too late GI Joe! Girls: I like to smell pretty. I'm wearing Love's Baby Soft. Boys: faaaaaaaaaaaaart oh dude! that was nasty!

And somehow, that was God's idea? It's kind of like watching Hell Date, where you match two people that are completely different and watch for the train wreck.

Guys are like a PC - logical.
Girls are like the user, intuitive, and can't figure how to make the PC do what they need.
The Guy is thinking, ALT CONTROL F7. Why can't you understand that.

And then God sends gay people. We are like the guy in the Macintosh commercial. We say, "Hi PC." He says, "I'm not gay." The girl says, "I want to know what he's feeling." I say, "If he shows anything beside anger, a soft side, he won't be what he thinks many is, so anger is about all he is allowed to show." Then I tell PC that she want you to express how you feel. He doesn't know what he feels, and so I try and pull out an emotion of expressing love, and still convince him that showing emotion doesn't make him gay.

So, there is always a Will for a Grace, who uses him to try and get into the minds of men. There is rarely a Will for a guy, because they are so paranoid about being thought of as gay, so they just live, not understanding women.

And it seems like kind of a sick joke, thinking "sugar and spice" a great combination with "snails and puppy dog tails", of girls smelling like flowers, and boys laughing about their farts.

Frankly, I don't understand it.

And then, everyone meets for Thanksgiving, and then the men go to one room to watch the game, the women go to the kitchen, just like kindergarten when the boys and girls separated. The women say, "you'll never guess who's pregnant?" "Lisa?" "No, her little sister!!" ""SHUT UP! woah!!!"and telling secrets while the men are watching sports, grunting DEFENSE, and high fiving each other like they did something sitting on the couch.

With my partner and I, we can watch Project Runway, and critique the design, or we can talk about how hot some guy is on the show. We share the same thought bubble, both the girl side, and the guy side.

I'm convinced that gay people are here just so that God had someone in on the joke.

Even when people say, "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve", you think, that was God's plan? So, let's say you and your spouse are the first man and woman. You have the lovely kids that you have now. And....wow...well....your kids are going to have to have sex with each other for the 3rd generation, so God's plan was some kind of incestuous hillbillies?

Straight people are equally confusing to us.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

As you always do.

Presumably because, to you, "homosexual" automatically translates to "ew, bumsecks".



That is not my experience. I doubt it is yours either. How many gay women do you know? I think you are talking through your hat.

And how many men do you know who identify themselves as "homosexuals"? I've noticed it's mostly the people who hate them who call them that.

Well in general men tend to refer to themselves as gay or homosexual while women refer to themselves as lesbian. All the lesbian women around my life have referred to themselves as lesbian.

 

[FlamingFemme]

Well in general men tend to refer to themselves as gay or homosexual while women refer to themselves as lesbian. All the lesbian women around my life have referred to themselves as lesbian.

Well, all the gay women I've known in my life refer to themselves as 'gay', 'queer', OR 'lesbian'. And I identify as queer. Or gay. But never 'lesbian'.

*brushes off hands*

There. I have debunked your 'in general' assumption.

The words 'gay', 'homosexual', and 'queer' can all refer to someone either male or female. The only descriptor that is gender-specific is 'lesbian'.
And yet, I've heard some straight men use it.

 

[JTKIRK]

Even when people say, "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve", you think, that was God's plan? So, let's say you and your spouse are the first man and woman. You have the lovely kids that you have now. And....wow...well....your kids are going to have to have sex with each other for the 3rd generation, so God's plan was some kind of incestuous hillbillies?

Ok dosn't sound great to you I know, and you sound happy and comfortable with your choice of sexual orientation. But as KC said about himself and of course it apply s to us all, we are here because 2 people of different genders had sex and thus multiplied, producing a child. This is something two same sex humans cannot do. For whatever reason this is how God made us.

I know a young Docter guy who is gay and he is Comfortable with it as well and seems to be happy. Those of us who lnow him accepet him as he is, not for what he does in his love life.
I say that those who judge you or anyone else, just on your choices should pehaps look a bit closer at themselves. No-one is pefect.

 

[PhilosophicalBluster]

Jesus is meek not weak... Your phrase is very provocative and offensive to say the least. Your thoughts are weak; to the contrary try not doing what it is you can't stop from doing and It's O.K. to be a warrior of God. We stand for truth; in righteousness. Why does that bother you, anyhow?

What, people trying to act like they're on the moral high ground even though they discriminate openly against a minority doesn't bother you?