God is GOOD...not bad.

[FrankFaith]

God is GOOD...not bad.

There is a great difference between good and bad...that some folks do not understand--or choose not to accept. If they knew the God of the Bible, they would know that He does not inflict sickness or disease upon His people to chasten or teach. There is no instance in the Word ANYWHERE of Him doing this...to His people...to chasten or teach.

Bring it...so others can see the Truth.

These folks aren't just mistaken--they actively, purposefully promote anti-faith and purposefully steal others' hope for healing for their own selfish, prideful purposes.

Amazing but true.

Let's have it--start posting all of the many, many times when God:

a. inflicted sickness or disease on His people (believers)
b. for the purpose of teaching or chastening.

We're waiting...

...and by the way, DON'T CHANGE THE SUBJECT--JUST POST ALL OF YOUR MANY, MANY REFERENCES THAT MEET THIS CRITERIA.

I have also added that this is NOT a discussion. POST YOUR REFERENCES or keep quiet--don't make me put my mod hat on!

...oh wait...I don't have a mod hat... DON'T MAKE ME REPORT YOU.

 

[pinetree]

see,lookie here,they learned through it.

45Therefore many of the Jews who had come to visit Mary, and had seen what Jesus did, put their faith in him. 46But some of them went to the Pharisees and told them what Jesus had done. 47Then the chief priests and the Pharisees called a meeting of the Sanhedrin.

The Lord afflicts,and heals!

 

[pinetree]

the demands of the op were met...

God afflicted laz,healed him,the believers learned through it!

 

[FrankFaith]

So, then, you agree with me: God uses all things for good for those who love the Lord, AND that He doesn't put sickness or disease on Him people, right?

 

[FrankFaith]

the demands of the op were met...

God afflicted laz,healed him,the believers learned through it!

GOD DID NOT AFFLICT HIM. WHERE DID YOU EVER GET THAT?

STILL NO PROOF--AMAZING.

 

[JimB]

*****

*If you can't come up with anything here, maybe you should consider NOT EVER POSTING ANTI-FAITH LIES EVER AGAIN IN ANY MANNER IN ANY THREAD HERE!!

*****

We are not posting “anti-faith” posts here, Frank. What we are resiting is your and your preferred group’s re-definition of faith, which omits “trust” when things don’t go to suit you or you don't get what you want). We may be “anti-Frank’s brand of faith” but we are definitively not anti-faith.

~Bjorn Free

A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle.​

 

[FrankFaith]

Come on, you heavy hitters--throw some reference at us.

 

[pinetree]

GOD DID NOT AFFLICT HIM. WHERE DID YOU EVER GET THAT?

STILL NO PROOF--AMAZING.

read the post by yeck..(I notice you ignored that one.).

God does all theses things,you have to have a well rounded approach to scripture bro.

 

[FrankFaith]

We are not posting “anti-faith” posts here, Frank. What we are resiting is your and your preferred group’s re-definition of faith, which omits “trust” when things don’t go to suit you or you don't get what you want). We may be “anti-Frank’s brand of faith” but we are definitively not anti-faith.

~Bjorn Free

A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle.​

Did you want to post a reference for the basis of your belief, per the OP?

 

[FrankFaith]

I am really amazed that we now have 7 pages of NOTHING!!!

REFERENCES, PLEASE!!!

 

[pinetree]

Come on, you heavy hitters--throw some reference at us.

who was sovereign in the laz incedent?

Seems like it is true,the Lord forms light,creates darkness," I the Lord do all theses things"

 

[FrankFaith]

read the post by yeck..(I notice you ignored that one.).

Ah, yes, I ignored that one.

God does all theses things,you have to have a well rounded approach to scripture bro.

SHOW US SOME REFERENCES OF HIM PUTTING SICKNESS OR DISEASE ON HIS PEOPLE FOR THE PURPOSE OF TEACHING OR CHASTENING. He does NOT do all of those things. If you think He does, PROVIDE A REFERENCE--just one will suffice.

 

[JimB]

I have also added that this is NOT a discussion. POST YOUR REFERENCES or keep quiet--don't make me put my mod hat on!

...oh wait...I don't have a mod hat... DON'T MAKE ME REPORT YOU.

I am really amazed that we now have 7 pages of NOTHING!!!

REFERENCES, PLEASE!!!

Um, where are your references, Frank?

BTW I did post references .

Apparently, most of us have lost interest in your thread, Frank. Sorry. http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm414YYUS

And, BTW, shouldn’t this thread be in the “debate” forum since you obviously are trying to stir up a debate?

But to call your (and Dids’) hand on this (since you are so eager to debate it in this non-debate forum): for you to say that your small, select side of these issues does not redefine English words to suit your doctrine is like catching a kid with his hand in the cookie jar saying, “Who? Me?”

Dids’ list looks at pain, suffering, et. al. from a “mere humanistic” POV. Of course (most of) those things are "bad" to us, by our definition, because they are often physically painful but in the hands of God those things (excluding hell, of course ) can be good in the sense that God can turn them for good (i.e., God can use them for our good).
But the LORD your God turned the curse into a blessing for you, because the LORD your God loves you. (Deut. 23.5)
When God does that, when He takes a curse and turns it into a blessing, is it still a “curse”? Or, does the curse become a blessing (in disguise, as they say) when God uses it to bring blessing into our lives.
But as for you, you meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, in order to bring it about as it is this day, to save many people alive. (Gen. 50.20)

Because they met not the children of Israel with bread and with water, but hired Balaam against them, that he should curse them: howbeit our God turned the curse into a blessing. (Neh. 13.2)
Likewise, God can turn what we consider a “blessing” (like wealth, influence, health, etc.) into a curse for us.
If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. (Mal. 2.2)
IOW, God sees things differently than we do. What we call a blessing (which usually means nothing much more than material comfort) may not be in God's sight and what we call a curse (like being broke or in bad health) may, in fact, be used by God as a blessing to us and/or others and, therefore, be a blessing.

~Bjorn Free

A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle.​

Are you willfully ignoring this … or did you just forget?

~Bjorn Free

A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle.​

 

[FrankFaith]

Seems like some folks are discovering that the charactor of the god they thought they knew isn't supported in scripture. THAT'S GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[pinetree]

Ah, yes, I ignored that one.



SHOW US SOME REFERENCES OF HIM PUTTING SICKNESS OR DISEASE ON HIS PEOPLE FOR THE PURPOSE OF TEACHING OR CHASTENING. He does NOT do all of those things. If you think He does, PROVIDE A REFERENCE--just one will suffice.

yup,your right,you did ignore yeks post!
Your answer shows you did not read it and learn...

 

[pinetree]

Seems like some folks are discovering that the charactor of the god they thought they knew isn't supported in scripture. THAT'S GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dude..really bro,you are just rambling now.....

 

[pinetree]

look who is behind all..suprise!

HIM!


Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.


Isaiah 54: 16
"See, it is I who created the blacksmith
who fans the coals into flame
and forges a weapon fit for its work.
And it is I who have created the destroyer to work havoc;

 

[SavedByGrace3]

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ya know what it is bro..

Any fair minded person can see what you did.

You phrased it in such a way,by adding believers...

However add the words "does Go allow" IE..Job...

IE suffering,which is what sick people are doing,sufferring,then you might get a healthy tussle!

The word "allow" is just semantics. If (as most proponents of the "sick by God theory propose) God is "in control of everything".. then God is in control of Job's health and life. If (as some most Jobian Christians suggest) God "sicked" Satan on Job (and of course God knew exactly what Satan had planned, and of course the omniscient God did), then to suggest that "allowing" Satan to do his thing on Job somehow absolves God of the actual act... is nothing but obfuscation.

If I drive a car into a crowd of people, I allow the car to crush them.

What will the judge say when I suggest to him:

"But your honor, I did not actually do the crushing... the car did, I merely 'allowed' the car to do what it did. It is not my doing."

I am sure that would absolve you of all fault?

NOT.

You would be under the jail.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Deut 32:39 “See now that I, indeed I, am he!” says the Lord,
“and there is no other god besides me.
I kill and give life,
I wound and I heal,
and none can resist my power.


1 Sam 2:6 The Lord both kills and gives life;
he brings down to the grave and raises up.
2:7 The Lord impoverishes and makes wealthy;
he humbles and he exalts.

2 Kings 5:6 He brought the letter to king of Israel. It read: “This is a letter of introduction for my servant Naaman, whom I have sent to be cured of his skin disease.” 5:7 When the king of Israel read the letter, he tore his clothes and said, “Am I God? Can I kill or restore life?

Job 5:18 For he wounds, but he also bandages;
he strikes, but his hands also heal.

Hos 6:1 “Come on! Let’s return to the Lord!
He himself has torn us to pieces,
but he will heal us!
He has injured us,
but he will bandage our wounds!



The Hosea passage is interesting because Hosea thinks that God had purposely fought against His own people. Ezekiel thinks the same thing:

Eze 5:16 I will shoot against them deadly, destructive arrows of famine, which I will shoot to destroy you. I will prolong a famine on you and will remove the bread supply. 5:17 I will send famine and wild beasts against you and they will take your children from you. Plague and bloodshed will overwhelm you, and I will bring a sword against you. I, the Lord, have spoken!”


So it's incorrect to say that God doesn't inflict His own people. In fact, the exile was God doing and half of the prophetitc and historical writings deal with what God did/was doing to His own people.

My post must have gotten lost in the mess.

 

[FrankFaith]

Um, where are your references, Frank?

BTW I did post references .


Are you willfully ignoring this … or did you just forget?

~Bjorn Free

A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle.​

Let's start with the fact that you didn't meet the criteria of the OP. You did read the OP...didn't you? If you still understand, let me ask again:

What sickness or diseases did you mention that God put on His people for the purpose of teaching or chastisement? I really must have missed it--plus I'm a little slow.