Absurdities of so called science

[Chalnoth]

I know it took me long enough, but it slowly begins to dawn on me that one of the central problems creationists like AV and Juvenissun have a startling inability to follow their own arguments to their logical conclusions.

I'm pretty sure most anybody that actually does that for religious arguments pretty rapidly becomes an atheist.

 

[atomweaver]

I know it took me long enough, but it slowly begins to dawn on me that one of the central problems creationists like AV and Juvenissun have a startling inability to follow their own arguments to their logical conclusions.

That, and AVVET is showing some paranoia about a perceived Orwellian desire on scientist's part to physically restrain PERFORMER in a lab.
Its the result of both over-estimating scientist's desire to control what they study, and even worse, grossly under-estimating their (raging!) curiosity...

 

[Hespera]

That, and AVVET is showing some paranoia about a perceived Orwellian desire on scientist's part to physically restrain PERFORMER in a lab.
Its the result of both over-estimating scientist's desire to control what they study, and even worse, grossly under-estimating their (raging!) curiosity...

For fake so called science based on absurdities a lot has been accomplished... imagine how mighty the scientists would be if they could just think clearly..!

Earlier he was saying that scientist are out to destroy everything including god.

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Fun is fun and arguing is fun but only with people who are capable of making sense. Invoking magic every time there is no rational argument is a low form of cheating, so Im not gonna get involved in that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Whenever you boys and girls are done conversing with each other and feel like listening for once, let me reiterate my point that I think you're wrong about your philosophy that it would take God actually showing up and performing miracles right before your eyes before you'll believe Him.

Even if He acquiesced and let you perform tests on Him in a laboratory setting, I really don't think it would change anything.

Maybe --- just maybe --- one or two of you would become bona fide believers --- but I doubt it.

On the other hand, I could be wrong too, as Jesus did say:

20 Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.

I guess it depends on if you're a Corazin Atheist or a Phoenician Atheist.

Then began he to upbraid the cities The more God has done to draw men unto himself, the less excusable are they if they continue in iniquity. If our blessed Lord had not done every thing that was necessary for the salvation of these people, he could not have reproached them for their impenitence.

 

[Hespera]

I think the 4 yr old is jumping up and down saying "look at me, pay attention to MEEEE!!! but I could be wrong. i dont read its posts. But back when I did, that is how it acted if it thought it was being ignored for a moment.

 

[atomweaver]

Whenever you boys and girls are done conversing with each other and feel like listening for once,

Heh. Pseudo-variance doesn't work so well if people aren't arguing with you, huh AVVET? No problem, I think the grown-ups are done speaking now, and w can address your, ummm... needs.

let me reiterate my point that I think you're wrong about your philosophy that it would take God actually showing up and performing miracles right before your eyes before you'll believe Him.

Even if He acquiesced and let you perform tests on Him in a laboratory setting, I really don't think it would change anything.

So, not only do you claim to know God better than anyone else (here), you also proclaim to know all atheists better than they know themselves. I wonder if we will ever find the limits to your hubris...

Maybe --- just maybe --- one or two of you would become bona fide believers --- but I doubt it.

You're just saying that because you personally abhor the means by which atheists arrive at conclusions; facts and observation with a healthy dose of skepticism. No problem, though. If that script of yours above were to ever come true, you could always claim that the former atheists weren't True Christians [FONT=&quot]®[/FONT]...

 

[Jester4kicks]

Whenever you boys and girls are done conversing with each other and feel like listening for once, let me reiterate my point that I think you're wrong about your philosophy that it would take God actually showing up and performing miracles right before your eyes before you'll believe Him.

Even if He acquiesced and let you perform tests on Him in a laboratory setting, I really don't think it would change anything.

Maybe --- just maybe --- one or two of you would become bona fide believers --- but I doubt it.

On the other hand, I could be wrong too, as Jesus did say:I guess it depends on if you're a Corazin Atheist or a Phoenician Atheist.

Ya know, one of my favorite TV shows is "Mindfreak" with Chris Angel. I always love it when people point to his illusions and say "oh, that's so fake, he didn't actually walk on water".... Well, of course he didn't... but the question is HOW did he make it LOOK like he did.

With tricks and illusions... the "how" can always be explained. Doing so may be difficult, but it can be done.

A true "miracle" then would be something that completely defies all explanation. It would be the only thing that would actually validate the existence of anything in the realm of the supernatural.

 

[atomweaver]

I think the 4 yr old is jumping up and down saying "look at me, pay attention to MEEEE!!! but I could be wrong. i dont read its posts. But back when I did, that is how it acted if it thought it was being ignored for a moment.

I know, huh? Six or so posts in 45 pages where AVVET wasn't being addressed directly, and he gets all huffy...

 

[Split Rock]

Whenever you boys and girls are done conversing with each other and feel like listening for once, let me reiterate my point that I think you're wrong about your philosophy that it would take God actually showing up and performing miracles right before your eyes before you'll believe Him.

Even if He acquiesced and let you perform tests on Him in a laboratory setting, I really don't think it would change anything.

Maybe --- just maybe --- one or two of you would become bona fide believers --- but I doubt it.

On the other hand, I could be wrong too, as Jesus did say:I guess it depends on if you're a Corazin Atheist or a Phoenician Atheist.

Indeed... you are wrong.

"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." —Matthew 19:26

Once again you step on your own forked tongue. But I forget... you are allowed to JUDGE others here and SLANDER others here, and SPEAK FOR others here, because you are just like Jesus.....

 

[Hespera]

What persons of the fossilized brain dont know is that THEY are the ones incapable of learning anything based on something like actual evidence.

Vast mountains of data are there to show that the biblical account of creation just cant be squared with reality as we see it all around us. But, that has no effect on the fossilized mind.

The very essence of the scientist, the person with an open mind is that they are open to new things. Like, say, actual evidence of something.

Mighty hypothetical, but, if the great spirit chose to manifest itself in some unmistakable way, well,that would be some mighty good evidence. There would suddenly be a lot of converts. Why that seems like something for the fossil-brain to deny isnt clear, but whatever reason it is probably came straight from his god, so it must be true. To him.

 

[AV1611VET]

Indeed... you are wrong.

Well, I certainly hope so --- but in light of what Jesus said:

And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

--- I have to wonder.

 

[Split Rock]

Well, I certainly hope so --- but in light of what Jesus said:--- I have to wonder.

Why is your type so small now???

 

[AV1611VET]

Why is your type so small now???

Cause I've been horsing around with font size and messed it up.

Thanks for saying something --- is this better --- or is it too big now?

 

[Tomk80]

Cause I've been horsing around with font size and messed it up.

Thanks for saying something --- is this better --- or is it too big now?

That one's good.

 

[BananaSlug]

Well, I certainly hope so --- but in light of what Jesus said:--- I have to wonder.

Matt 7:21, "Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in Heaven shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

 

[AV1611VET]

That one's good.

Okay --- thank you.

 

[NailsII]

Without wishing to sound too dismissive of religion in general, I think you'll find that it is the religious who would be wanting him punished.

On the basis of what evidence? Jesus could stand right in front of you and create an apple ex nihilo into the palm of your hand, and, according to my Apple Challenge thread, you'd consider Him everything but real.

Religious people are more likely to be dishonest or immoral when they know they can get away with it.

source:
Honesty on the Streets - A Natural Field Experiment on Newspaper Purchasing.

G. Pruckner - University Linz - Department of Economics
R. Sausgruber - University of Innsbruck - Department of Economics & Statistics
October 2, 2008

On average, regular church-goers only offered a third of the price of a newspaper when an honesty box system was employed - the lowest of any group monitered.

If you don't beleive me, the paper can be dowloaded here:
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1277208

It is not too much of an extrapolation to say that religious people are no more likely (indeed, are much less likely) to exhibit basic moral behaviour than non-religious people.

 

[MoonLancer]

atheists when moral choose to be and do so without conditions. Christians are ether forced to be moral for fear of hell or told how to be moral by the church (and thus have no real understanding of it). They do so conditionally. Now i have meet christains who ALSO choose to be moral without conditions, but its not because of their religion (as seen by their other church members)

 

[Hespera]

It is so ridiculous that people would need a god or religion to get them to behave. If that is so then it must be very awful to be in China or Japan where nobody would have any ethics or morality at all. Instead people wonder why it is necessary for some to have a church to teach what should be part of every ones' normal upbringing.

 

[thaumaturgy]

atheists when moral choose to be and do so without conditions. Christians are ether forced to be moral for fear of hell or told how to be moral by the church (and thus have no real understanding of it). They do so conditionally. Now i have meet christains who ALSO choose to be moral without conditions, but its not because of their religion (as seen by their other church members)

When you think about it, "Moral" laws that are common to all societies and that aren't the "laws" related to worshipping some particular god all have a similarity that is ever so "humanistic";

Don't murder the people around you
Don't steal other people's stuff
Don't act like a jerk to those with whom you share a society

It's common-sense stuff and everyone, no matter what religion has an understanding of it. It's part of what allows societies to "stick together cohesively".

But religious folks seem to think it so mysterious that it could only have been dreamt up by a Superior Intelligence.

Seems to me that the "moral rules" worth remembering are those which allow us all to live in a stable and safe society. Seems pretty obvious who is responsible for those rules.

(But it surely requires a superior God-like intelligence to come up with morality rules like "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". That one must be directly from God.)

I think the most pious Christian and the most atheistic atheist share a common humanity which means they share a common morality (except for the worship rules). So in the end we all end up acting pretty much alike. We all need to get along and we all need to know we share a stable society that is safe for all members.