Jesus is my mother-a testimony

[Maggie893]

Benedictoo,

You are gracious to lend healing to this thread.

While I must admit that in the early "pages" of this thread, I felt that there was an over-reaction to KTS's words; it's become clear with the extent of the dialogue that there are two sides to this situation. Clearly KTS wasn't misunderstood as I first thought since there has been no attempt to retract or adjust those words. While I don't think her words are intended to be conflictual, for someone new to the faith they definitely would be read incorrectly and that is a serious concern. To not be open to changing them in order to preserve peace and prevent younger (in faith) person from falling in error borders on defiance and pride.

I personally think this thread shows way too much pride on both sides, but I truly am impressed Benedictoo that you have humbled yourself with apology. It's rare around here and very welcomed.

 

[Miss Shelby]

people who sit around on the internet all day long, worrying about who is and who isn't 'open to their correction' probably have no real life people skills or friends. That's why they sit on the web all day making buffoons of themselves.

 

[benedictaoo]

Thank you Maggie.

 

[kisstheson]

Monica; KTS; All,

I apologize for my rudeness last night. I was in a foul mood and had no patience what so ever. I have no business engaging when I am in that kind of mood.

However, I do feel the same.

KTS, No one misunderstood you. We have said repeatedly that we get the sentiments and do not disagree.

It is how you choose to word it and choose to present it to us in an authoritative instructional manner.

I have a huge problem with the way you just do not listen to any criticism what so ever and how you take offense when any criticism is offered. Not being open to correction is a problem and I will leave it at that and say no more.

There is nothing wrong at all with having a discussion and sharing ones experience/testimony of how Jesus has acted as a mother to us.

There is plenty wrong with taking that experience to a whole nother level by teaching it as a "new vision," that Jesus is "our mother" in heaven and is a greater mother then Mary.

There is nothing wrong with citing the writings of a mystic approved by the Church, there is plenty wrong when they are being used to suporrt a new vision this in unorthodox.

So I hope we are clear. No one says you are wrong for sharing your experiences of how Jesus mothered you when you needed it.

We disagree for good reason with much of the language used to express this and how it went on to teach us a new vision of Jesus being a heavenly mother.

He may have been a heavenly mother to you when you needed it, but he is *the* heavenly mother sitting in heaven over us all. Mary is.

And you can't say Mary is our mother but Jesus is the greater mother. That may be true for you but it is not a universal truth that needs to be taught.

Monica;

One point i wish to get across to you. We can not simply let ppl believe things that are not true just for the sake charity. We need to be charitable in how we address it but we can not allow ppl to believ things that are not true just becuase it makes them feel good to believe them.

And of course i know i need to work on patience and charity. It is like, totally my downfall.

who are you? are you a mod or a priest, some authority in the church? Did I ask for your correction?

 

[kisstheson]

Benedictoo,

You are gracious to lend healing to this thread.

While I must admit that in the early "pages" of this thread, I felt that there was an over-reaction to KTS's words; it's become clear with the extent of the dialogue that there are two sides to this situation. Clearly KTS wasn't misunderstood as I first thought since there has been no attempt to retract or adjust those words. While I don't think her words are intended to be conflictual, for someone new to the faith they definitely would be read incorrectly and that is a serious concern. To not be open to changing them in order to preserve peace and prevent younger (in faith) person from falling in error borders on defiance and pride.

I personally think this thread shows way too much pride on both sides, but I truly am impressed Benedictoo that you have humbled yourself with apology. It's rare around here and very welcomed.

Guess what? I'm sick of the accusations. i'm sick of the whole thing.

Mods close this stupid thread.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Benedictoo,

You are gracious to lend healing to this thread.

While I must admit that in the early "pages" of this thread, I felt that there was an over-reaction to KTS's words; it's become clear with the extent of the dialogue that there are two sides to this situation. Clearly KTS wasn't misunderstood as I first thought since there has been no attempt to retract or adjust those words. While I don't think her words are intended to be conflictual, for someone new to the faith they definitely would be read incorrectly and that is a serious concern. To not be open to changing them in order to preserve peace and prevent younger (in faith) person from falling in error borders on defiance and pride.

I personally think this thread shows way too much pride on both sides, but I truly am impressed Benedictoo that you have humbled yourself with apology. It's rare around here and very welcomed.

It is easy to mistake concern for others and correct portrayal of the faith as pride. I beleive it is only true concern that has driven those who have tried to point out and explain the error here.


A teachable spirit will conform itself to the words of the Church, especially as given from our Pope when he was Cardinal and Prefect of the CDF. When one is rebellious to the words of the Church on such a matter, this is a dangerous place to be and it is concern which drives us, not needing to be right, but concern for the one promoting something not permitted by the Church and for those not well grounded enough in the faith to discern the error.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

I don't want to argue.. I'll just say one last thing

Bene, I never said that we should just let people believe incorrect things "out of charity". I meant that ultimately, it will be God who changes their hearts and their minds, not us. All we can do is tell them the truth and leave it at that. We can't and should not try to force or convince them, because it's easy to over do this and actually drive the person away. I've done this when I shared my faith with people, and I regret that, and I see that I didn't do anything good even though I had good intentions. As St Therese said, our strength is in prayer and sacrifice more than in our words. I know that you and TLF and everyone here have good intentions and are genuinely concerned. I guess it's always a struggle to find the right way to express this, I'm still struggling myself. I try to convince people about the truth of our faith all the time too lol. But I think God does this much better.. we need to pray

Peace

 

[kisstheson]

It is easy to mistake concern for others and correct portrayal of the faith as pride. I beleive it is only true concern that has driven those who have tried to point out and explain the error here.


A teachable spirit will conform itself to the words of the Church, especially as given from our Pope when he was Cardinal and Prefect of the CDF. When one is rebellious to the words of the Church on such a matter, this is a dangerous place to be and it is concern which drives us, not needing to be right, but concern for the one promoting something not permitted by the Church and for those not well grounded enough in the faith to discern the error.

Now get this...this is the last time I will say it. this thread was closed by the mods, examined for content and error and then reopened, yet you still complain about error. YOU are not a moderator, yet you still keep talking about what should or should not be allowed in OBOB.

MODS close the thread.

 

[benedictaoo]

I don't want to argue.. I'll just say one last thing

Bene, I never said that we should just let people believe incorrect things "out of charity". I meant that ultimately, it will be God who changes their hearts and their minds, not us. All we can do is tell them the truth and leave it at that. We can't and should not try to force or convince them, because it's easy to over do this and actually drive the person away. I've done this when I shared my faith with people, and I regret that, and I see that I didn't do anything good even though I had good intentions. As St Therese said, our strength is in prayer and sacrifice more than in our words. I know that you and TLF and everyone here have good intentions and are genuinely concerned. I guess it's always a struggle to find the right way to express this, I'm still struggling myself. I try to convince people about the truth of our faith all the time too lol. But I think God does this much better.. we need to pray

Peace

the problem in a nutshell is just not being open to feedback, constructive criticism and correction.

 

[Miss Shelby]

My irony meter just threw up.

 

[Amylisa]

But do you not understand how you and TLF sometimes can come across as the ones who know everything, and others here do not? You put yourselves in the position of correctors and speakers for the church. You are not the only Christians here. It is Very frustrating.

Maybe part of the problem in a nutshell is you guys not being able to say your piece and then let it go. Not always having to have the last word. At least consider this, it would be helpful.

 

[kisstheson]

the problem in a nutshell is just not being open to feedback, constructive criticism and correction.

Now get this.. this thread was closed by the mods, examined for content and error and then reopened.

And now because the accusations of pride, unwilling to listen to correction, etc. etc. etc. I want this thread closed.

 

[Amylisa]

I don't want to argue.. I'll just say one last thing

Bene, I never said that we should just let people believe incorrect things "out of charity". I meant that ultimately, it will be God who changes their hearts and their minds, not us. All we can do is tell them the truth and leave it at that. We can't and should not try to force or convince them, because it's easy to over do this and actually drive the person away. I've done this when I shared my faith with people, and I regret that, and I see that I didn't do anything good even though I had good intentions. As St Therese said, our strength is in prayer and sacrifice more than in our words. I know that you and TLF and everyone here have good intentions and are genuinely concerned. I guess it's always a struggle to find the right way to express this, I'm still struggling myself. I try to convince people about the truth of our faith all the time too lol. But I think God does this much better.. we need to pray

Peace

Yes, exactly. No one on these boards ever convinces anyone else by arguing. It just doesn't work.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

But do you not understand how you and TLF sometimes can come across as the ones who know everything, and others here do not? You put yourselves in the position of correctors and speakers for the church. You are not the only Christians here. It is Very frustrating.

Maybe part of the problem in a nutshell is you guys not being able to say your piece and then let it go. Not always having to have the last word. At least consider this, it would be helpful.

Recently I asked one of my good friends what my worst flaws are. And she said that sometimes it's like I want to win the argument, get the last word in. And that's true.. I'm trying to work on that. It's definitely something that we should fight in ourselves because it comes from our fallen nature. Sometimes it's a wonderful thing to realize - hey I really don't know or understand that much at all... I'm not saying you guys feel prideful when you write these posts.. simply that sometimes it's oki to just let things go and just pray for the person, God will take care trust Him..

 

[isabella1]

I dig this live version b y Simon and Garfunkel :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYKJuDxYr3I

I grew up on them! It is soothing to me, and brings back good childhood memories.

 

[Miss Shelby]

Now get this.. this thread was closed by the mods, examined for content and error and then reopened.

And now because the accusations of pride, unwilling to listen to correction, etc. etc. etc. I want this thread closed.

for the record, kisstheson, I am very familiar w/ your post, I know how you roll, I know you're excited about things and I didn't take anything away from what you wrote other than it was an editorial/personal testimony. Anyone remotely familiar w/ your posting style should know you're not trying to come off as preachy and teachy, rather enthusiastic and excited.

And the idea put forth that this forum needs to be protected from error just in case a seeker comes along looking for truth and happens to see what you wrote and land on a highway to hell as a consequence is a LAUGH riot! There is ZERO spirituality on the web. Esp. in this forum. Anyone spending a good amount of time here for any reason has already probably sealed their own damnation. This forum doesn't need to be protected from error, it's not the Magisterium, it's just a silly web forum w/ some members who feel it's virtual sacred ground. Don't let them get to you.

 

[ZuZu]

for the record, kisstheson, I am very familiar w/ your post, I know how you roll, I know you're excited about things and I didn't take anything away from what you wrote other than it was an editorial/personal testimony. Anyone remotely familiar w/ your posting style should know you're not trying to come off as preachy and teachy, rather enthusiastic and excited.

And the idea put forth that this forum needs to be protected from error just in case a seeker comes along looking for truth and happens to see what you wrote and land on a highway to hell as a consequence is a LAUGH riot! There is ZERO spirituality on the web. Esp. in this forum. This forum doesn't need to be protected from error, it's not the Magisterium, it's just a silly web forum w/ some members who feel it's virtual sacred ground. Don't let them get to you.

what she said.....and for the record, I'm one of those seekers on the highway to hell

 

[JoabAnias]

Now get this.. this thread was closed by the mods, examined for content and error and then reopened.

And now because the accusations of pride, unwilling to listen to correction, etc. etc. etc. I want this thread closed.

You have to PM a mod to have your thread closed dear.

 

[kisstheson]

for the record, kisstheson, I am very familiar w/ your post, I know how you roll, I know you're excited about things and I didn't take anything away from what you wrote other than it was an editorial/personal testimony. Anyone remotely familiar w/ your posting style should know you're not trying to come off as preachy and teachy, rather enthusiastic and excited.

And the idea put forth that this forum needs to be protected from error just in case a seeker comes along looking for truth and happens to see what you wrote and land on a highway to hell as a consequence is a LAUGH riot! There is ZERO spirituality on the web. Esp. in this forum. Anyone spending a good amount of time here for any reason has already probably sealed their own damnation. This forum doesn't need to be protected from error, it's not the Magisterium, it's just a silly web forum w/ some members who feel it's virtual sacred ground. Don't let them get to you.

Thanks! I appreciare it. Maybe I should take a vote on whether or not the thread should be closed.

 

[Annabel Lee]

what she said.....and for the record, I'm one of those seekers on the highway to hell

Could not resist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erJc4dzZ3IA