Jesus is my mother-a testimony

[WarriorAngel]

Jesus is like a mother hen - He didn't ever say once He would be a Mother to us.
If we take the analogy concisely, then Jesus is also saying He is a hen.

Jesus said on the cross - John - this is your Mother.
That was symbolic for His Church to receive His Mother.

 

[kisstheson]

"You do not say Mary is your mother, you do not say you give her honor due as mother of the Redeemer and of us all, you just say you appreciate her and that's it."

This is a totally false statement. You should read this thread again and you'll see this is not what I said at all.

I'm sharing what I experienced from Jesus. Now just be happy that He was there for me. Jeeeeeepers...

 

[benedictaoo]

"You do not say Mary is your mother, you do not say you give her honor due as mother of the Redeemer and of us all, you just say you appreciate her and that's it."

This is a totally false statement. You should read this thread again and you'll see this is not what I said at all.

I'm sharing what I experienced from Jesus. Now just be happy that He was there for me. Jeeeeeepers...

Yes i did read that and I misspoke, sorry.

My point was you say she is your mother but then to disregard the implications of what it means in reality to have Mary as your mother and then you go on say Jesus is the greater mother... it just dos not sound right. and it sounds as if you are denying she is your mother even though you know she is.

If you believe Jesus is a greater mother to you over Mary, then please state it that way. It's your opinion and experience but it's not objective to us all. It's what you believe.

Please do not make genralized dogma style statements that Jesus is in fact*the* greater mother based on some mystics writings.

There is no such teaching that Jesus is our mother let alone a greater mother then Mary.

You have shared with us what you believe... now I will share with you what I believe, so take it with a grain of salt but I believe Jesus is not pleased when you say He is a greater mother then His own mother is.

Jesus loves Mary so so so much. He wants us to honor her and invoke her under the titles He gave to her.

 

[Davidnic]

So you keep saying *you know* Jesus is a man and *you know* Mary is His mother but you contradict yourself by claiming He feeds us from His bosom.

IOW, you are claiming he is breasted and feeds us becuase the only way He could do that (feed us from His bosom) is if He had breasts. But you say you know He's a man, that is a contradiction.

I beg to differ. This imagery is old. Some of the oldest in the Church. It is the imagery of the mother Pelican that feeds the young on it's own blood to save them. It is one of the oldest Christ images, that of the mother Pelican feeling from her bosom.

And this has always been seen as a focal point of expressing this in an orthodox manner via blessed Juliana of Norwich.

I am not saying Christ as mother should ever be used liturgically or as a way to bypass God as Father and Christ as a man. But that is not what is being done.

The thing is that many many new age interpretations have tainted this. But that is not what kisstheson is doing. People are uncomfortable that kisstheson is not comfortable with the Marian teachings. Many who come to the Church are not fully comfortable with that initially. If I had not been raised with them and they were presented to me as they have been presented in OBOB...I would be wary as well.

But her expression of this does not threaten or diminish Mary. Nor does it challenge the way the Church views sexuality and gender on a connected physical and spiritual level.

 

[Davidnic]

There is no such teaching that Jesus is our mother let alone a greater mother then Mary.

Did she say that somewhere? Or did she say that Jesus is greater than Mary..that being true.

I am sorry if I missed something but I did not see where she placed Mary's motherhood theologically similar to Christ as a maternal image.

I saw where she explained how Christ love to her was as a mothers.

 

[Gwendolyn]

You are contradicting yourself. Jesus treated me like a mother therefore I will happily call Him my Mother in the same way Julian of Norwich did. He was my Mother when my earthly mother died. Please don't tell me to stop callling Him that. You want me to deny what He did for me? He fed me the blood and water that comes form His bosom.

HIS bosom...Jesus is male but has the ability to nurture us like a mother.

I am NOT telling you to deny what He did for you, did you read the long post I made much earlier in this thread? I think it is beautiful what He did for you. I don't know where you get that I think you should deny what He did for you.

I'm not contradicting myself, either... My father is very nurturing to me. He looks after me. When I was little he used to stay up all night with me when I was sick, he used to comfort me when I cried, he used to carry me up to bed and tuck me in. He made sure that my booboos were kissed when I got hurt, he took me to town and bought me a pretty new hair scrunchie when I lost my favourite one in the lake because I caught it on a fishing hook when I was trying to cast the line... he treated me like a princess.

There are lots of "motherly" traits in there - he cared for me, he made sure that I was comforted when I was upset, looked after me when I was sick, etc. But that doesn't make my dad my mother, and I wouldn't ascribe the title of "mother" to him.

That's the same thing for Jesus. He does lots of things that mothers also do. But He isn't a mother.

I guess I just don't understand this, wanting to ascribe a female role to Jesus. Well, when I was a pre-teen - after the "princess" stage - I became a HUGE tomboy. I wore my brothers' clothes because I wanted to look cool like they did. I hunted for frogs in muddy ponds, I played sports with boys before intermixed teams became more widespread... my brothers and I did "boyish" things. But I was a girl, even though I was acting in a boyish manner.

I see this whole discussion in the same light. Even though I was a tomboy and acted and dressed like a boy, I was still a girl. Even though my brothers and I did "brotherly" things, I was still their sister.

Even though Jesus may do motherly things, and have traits that we most often ascribe to a mother, that doesn't mean He's a mother. My brothers didn't say to their friends, "Oh, that's just my brother Gwen" when I tagged along, even though, by all means, I really did look and behave like a boy.

That's why I just don't understand this whole trying to call Jesus "Mother" thing.The Father has no gender, but He has chosen to reveal Himself to us as Father in such a way as best describes His relationship to us. But Jesus has a gender... I guess that's why I just don't understand this. He can't be Mother Jesus, because He is male and is father to His children....

I still can't shake this killer head cold and now my head hurts. :*(

 

[kisstheson]

The difference between you and me is that my father also wasn't there. he worked away from home and when he was home most of the time he was drunk or sleeping and seldom did any of the things your father did for you.

I had no emotional connection with my parents.

You can't compare Jesus to an earthly father. your father doesn't have a wounded side from which he nourishes his children.

P.S. I was a serious tom boy myself.

 

[kisstheson]

Did she say that somewhere? Or did she say that Jesus is greater than Mary..that being true.

I am sorry if I missed something but I did not see where she placed Mary's motherhood theologically similar to Christ as a maternal image.

I saw where she explained how Christ love to her was as a mothers.

What I did say is that the Godhead taught Mary everything she knows. Because Jesus died for us, nourishes his children with his own body and blood in thet sense He is a greater Mother to His children. There's are soooo many scriptures where God is likened to a mother. This is nothing new which is not to say that God is not male. It's spiritual. It's mystical and may not necessarily be understood in human terms.

 

[Gwendolyn]

You can't compare Jesus to an earthly father. your father doesn't have a wounded side from which he nourishes his children.

Obviously not, but I highly doubt that means that we can blur gender lines with Jesus because He was divine.

I'm sorry, KTS, and I'm really not saying this to be rude, and I am in no way trying to trivialise what Jesus did for you - He gave you strength to overcome things that most of us couldn't weather, I know I couldn't handle what you've been through - but you've now mentioned that you grew up without a mother, and without a father present. I feel like everyone here is not speaking the same language and that's why we're having issues - most of the people here grew up with parents, one or both, and so our understanding of God's relationship to humanity is based on that. Like, when God calls Himself Father, we can roughly understand what He means by it because we see what a father does in our human life. I'm not trying to be insulting, but maybe you understand things differently because you did not have these parental roles in your life? Maybe that's why people are misunderstanding you, and you are misunderstanding others. Because the parental roles mean something very different to you based on your experience, than what they mean to others here who have a different experience.

Does that make any sense?

 

[kisstheson]

Jesus is male 110%. Look at my signature picture. that's my art. Can't you see that I believe he's is now presently the God-Man? Hurrah!

However Jesus does have motherly qualities. that's what makes Him so approachable.

In my life Jesus was BOTH parents to me. I can't even begin to describe how he took care of me and I will ever love Him for being both a father and mother to me.

I have yet to experience Mary as my Mother too even though I know this in my head theologically. I'll ask Jesus to introduce her to me. It's not easy though because Christ is everything to me. Just the thought of letting go of Jesus in the slightest brings tears to my eyes. But I know he wouldn't be letting me go...he would just be adding another dimension to "my family."

 

[Davidnic]

What I did say is that the Godhead taught Mary everything she knows. Because Jesus died for us, nourishes his children with his own body and blood in thet sense He is a greater Mother to His children. There's are soooo many scriptures where God is likened to a mother. This is nothing new which is not to say that God is not male. It's spiritual. It's mystical and may not necessarily be understood in human terms.

Jesus is male 110%. Look at my signature picture. that's my art. Can't you see that I believe he's is now presently the God-Man? Hurrah!

However Jesus does have motherly qualities. that's what makes Him so approachable.

In my life Jesus was BOTH parents to me. I can't even begin to describe how he took care of me and I will ever love Him for being both a father and mother to me.

I have yet to experience Mary as my Mother too even though I know this in my head theologically. I'll ask Jesus to introduce her to me. It's not easy though because Christ is everything to me. Just the thought of letting go of Jesus in the slightest brings tears to my eyes. But I know he wouldn't be letting me go...he would just be adding another dimension to "my family."

I don't see anything wrong with the above theologically. She is speaking in similes. And when she is not she is speaking metaphorically in a poetic/mystical tradition. Nothing in the above diminishes Mary inappropriately or challenges the Catholic understanding of Christ as male and why that is vital.

The part about Christ being a greater mother to His children than Mary through the nourishment of the Eucharist is not new or unorthodox...it is core behind the Pelican symbolism. Nourished as His children by His blood as a mother pelican does to her children.

I think people really over-reacted on this one.

And I am sure Kisstheson that Christ will introduce you to Mary as your mother...it is what He desires. And it is wonderful. You will not be letting go of Christ in the slightest...but knowing Him even better. Be at peace, know He is God....and know that we know Him even more with the help of Our Lady.

 

[Amylisa]

Jesus is male 110%. Look at my signature picture. that's my art. Can't you see that I believe he's is now presently the God-Man? Hurrah!

However Jesus does have motherly qualities. that's what makes Him so approachable.

In my life Jesus was BOTH parents to me. I can't even begin to describe how he took care of me and I will ever love Him for being both a father and mother to me.

I have yet to experience Mary as my Mother too even though I know this in my head theologically. I'll ask Jesus to introduce her to me. It's not easy though because Christ is everything to me. Just the thought of letting go of Jesus in the slightest brings tears to my eyes. But I know he wouldn't be letting me go...he would just be adding another dimension to "my family."

Amen my friend!!!

 

[Amylisa]

Leave her alone. She does not have to answer to you.

True, my feelings exactly.

 

[CathNancy]

KTS first I want to say how blessed you were that Jesus took care of you when you needed Him most. God askes us to become a member of His family at our Baptism when we become part of the Body of Christ, and He can and will be what we need throughout our life. He is sometimes like a father, others like a mother and others still like our brother. He wants to be there for us, helping us, healing us from the hurts that life throws at us, all we have to do is ask.

I am also overjoyed that you have decided to ask Jesus to introduce you to His mother, for she has been a mother to me at very trying times in my life. This is not to say that I did not also seek Jesus, I did, and it was through Our Lady that I felt closer to Jesus. Once Jesus begins to show you His mother, you will begin to realize that she takes nothing away from Jesus, but only helps us to draw closer to Him. Mary's desire is that we turn to her Son, that we love, honor and worship Him more each day. Mary keeps nothing for herself, the prayers she receives she gives to her Son with the added love of a mother for both us and Jesus.

May God Bless you and keep you and may He open your eyes to the love of His mother for you. The love she holds for you simply because of who she is and how much you already love her Son.

Nancy

 

[kisstheson]

I don't see anything wrong with the above theologically. She is speaking in similes. And when she is not she is speaking metaphorically in a poetic/mystical tradition. Nothing in the above diminishes Mary inappropriately or challenges the Catholic understanding of Christ as male and why that is vital.

The part about Christ being a greater mother to His children than Mary through the nourishment of the Eucharist is not new or unorthodox...it is core behind the Pelican symbolism. Nourished as His children by His blood as a mother pelican does to her children.

I think people really over-reacted on this one.

And I am sure Kisstheson that Christ will introduce you to Mary as your mother...it is what He desires. And it is wonderful. You will not be letting go of Christ in the slightest...but knowing Him even better. Be at peace, know He is God....and know that we know Him even more with the help of Our Lady.

Thanks for helping me out david. Your support here has meant a lot to me. Please pray for me if our Lord puts you on my heart. this is a very emotional subject for me. I must admit that when I think of going to mary it's scary for me maybe because my own mom forsook me. I'm used to Jesus being my shelter.

 

[Viribus Unitis]

Er... aren't we overreacting here? I mean one must not treat a personal experience as if it were a treatise on dogmatic theology. If that's were the case, trust me, I would find cause to condemn each of us, myself included, as heretics, and probably of heresies you are not even aware of. What I'm trying to say is please be kind and charitable and if you feel something could be wrong then pm the person first or write it into a charitable tone.

I don't know about you, but as of myself, I have the defect that when I feel insulted, in spirit, I answer like the Chinese, I build a big, long wall.

 

[kisstheson]

Thanks Miss Shelby, AmyLisa and Nancy.

 

[kisstheson]

here's some ink sketches I did years ago of Jesus taking care of His little girl...

 

[isabella1]

Wow those are pretty powerful pics you drew KTS. Filled with lots of emotion. Brought me to tears. There is nothing wrong or distorted with you feeling comfort through our Lord. After all He is the one our Blessed mother points us to isn't He.

Whenever I go to sleep at night I always say that I am going to go rest in the Lord. So the second pic brings comfort to me as well.

 

[benedictaoo]

Did she say that somewhere? Or did she say that Jesus is greater than Mary..that being true.

I am sorry if I missed something but I did not see where she placed Mary's motherhood theologically similar to Christ as a maternal image.

I saw where she explained how Christ love to her was as a mothers.

yes, she posted it twice, She said Mary is her mother but Jesus is the greater mother...

I'm sorry, i have to disagree... I also do not agree with saying that Jesus nourishes us with milk from His bosom. He does not have breasts David.