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You mean that the BIBLE tells folks how 'bad' they/we are.
But yeah, that might be part of the reason many people dont
want to come to the party.

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Paul Condemns Spiritual Pride
5 I can hardly believe the report about the sexual immorality going on among you—something that even pagans don’t do. I am told that a man in your church is living in sin with his stepmother.*
2 You are so proud of yourselves, but you should be mourning in sorrow and shame. And you should remove this man from your fellowship.
3 Even though I am not with you in person, I am with you in the Spirit.* And as though I were there, I have already passed judgment on this man
4 in the name of the Lord Jesus. You must call a meeting of the church.* I will be present with you in spirit, and so will the power of our Lord Jesus. 5 Then you must throw this man out and hand him over to Satan so that his sinful nature will be destroyed* and he himself* will be saved on the day the Lord* returns.
6 Your boasting about this is terrible. Don’t you realize that this sin is like a little yeast that spreads through the whole batch of dough?
7 Get rid of the old “yeast” by removing this wicked person from among you. Then you will be like a fresh batch of dough made without yeast, which is what you really are. Christ, our Passover Lamb, has been sacrificed for us.*
8 So let us celebrate the festival, not with the old bread* of wickedness and evil, but with the new bread* of sincerity and truth.
9 When I wrote to you before, I told you not to associate with people who indulge in sexual sin.
10 But I wasn’t talking about unbelievers who indulge in sexual sin, or are greedy, or cheat people, or worship idols. You would have to leave this world to avoid people like that.
11 I meant that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a believer* yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or is a drunkard, or cheats people. Don’t even eat with such people.
12 It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning.
13 God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from among you.”*

3 Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people.
4 Obscene stories, foolish talk, and coarse jokes—these are not for you. Instead, let there be thankfulness to God.
5 You can be sure that no immoral, impure, or greedy person will inherit the Kingdom of Christ and of God. For a greedy person is an idolater, worshiping the things of this world.
6 Don’t be fooled by those who try to excuse these sins, for the anger of God will fall on all who disobey him.
7 Don’t participate in the things these people do.
8 For once you were full of darkness, but now you have light from the Lord. So live as people of light!
9 For this light within you produces only what is good and right and true.
10 Carefully determine what pleases the Lord.


:preach: thus says the Lord
Hi Sunlover!!
great post & scriptures.
It's real clear that we ARE our 'brother's/sister's keepers'.

Eph 5:11
Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness,
but instead even expose them;


Do we leave known predators & open sin flaunted in God's name?
God help the victims in such a church.

I continue :preach: that UNTIL WE VIEW SIN AS THE
DEPRAVITY, HARM & BONDAGE THAT IT IS,
WE WON'T ACT CORRECTLY WHERE ITS CONCERNED.

That means we'll practice it becuz we enjoy it, and we won't
protect potential victims becuz we cannot see (or, worse,
we're too apathetic) how harmful
and dangerous it actually is in the spiritual or physical realm.
 
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Ah, Yes - I see a number of hands in the air. Thank you, but I don't happen to share your confidence.

Perhaps it is also timely to re-read Samuel 1 & 2. David happened to be a bit of a swinger himself. He also committed murder in an an attempt to cover his tracks so to speak. Yet, and yet it was from this man that Jesus was born. Strange how God operates. Sort of, unpredictable really. Don't you think?

so um, you're saying that because David did it we can? no, i don't think so. Jesus was a descendant of David yes, but just the fact that He was a descendant of any human means that there is sin in His ancestry. plus, God promised David that the Messiah would be a descendant of his before he committed that sin against Uriah.
 
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If "Christians" in this forum can justify homosexual sex, polygamy, premarital sex and all the other things that God's word says are sin, then I guess it should come as no surprise that a group of "Christians" think it's okay to swap partners.

6But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate Rev. 2:6
 
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so um, you're saying that because David did it we can?

No. If you read my post you will note that is NOT what I said.

Please backtrack a little to my post #60 where I noted ... I'm reminded of that passage somewhere that says something to the effect that whosoever looks at another in that certain way has already committed adultery. Hands up those who can plead innocent to this charge.

Apparently, there are those who have not considered this little alteration to the rules by Jesus. Those who are so willing to condemn others for certain behaviour are guilty of those same behaviour in their heart. Yet there are any number of Christians willing to throw the first stone.

Thus my next comment at post #75 ... Ah, Yes - I see a number of hands in the air. Thank you, but I don't happen to share your confidence.

... which I note you have ignored.

For those so willing to condemn my reference to David was an attempt to bring to their attention that the great heroes in the Bible all too often demonstrated behaviour which we could easily condemn. Yet God chose to use these people.

Perhaps you too are a thrower of stones.
 
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Hi ChingChang
While I see the Bible and history much as you do. I'm going to let you know that when you have read as many of Nadiine's posts as I have, you will find that she has studied the Bible as much as we have.
dayhiker
Nadiine,

If you remove your emotional reaction to the proposal and study what God says adultery is (that involves cracking the OT)...you'll learn very quickly that adultery may...or may not involve a sexual act. Did you know that in OT times
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There's a huge difference in what King David has done and these "party animals" are doing! David had remorse and repented and was given right standing before His God.

Swingers don't repent. They love their disgusting behaviour, and try to enlist others in it.


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Hi ChingChang
While I see the Bible and history much as you do. I'm going to let you know that when you have read as many of Nadiine's posts as I have, you will find that she has studied the Bible as much as we have.
dayhiker


Indeed dayhiker. It would be hard to find someone as knowledgeable about Scripture and as studious as Nadine.
 
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Originally Posted by wayseer
Ah, Yes - I see a number of hands in the air. Thank you, but I don't happen to share your confidence.

Perhaps it is also timely to re-read Samuel 1 & 2. David happened to be a bit of a swinger himself. He also committed murder in an an attempt to cover his tracks so to speak. Yet, and yet it was from this man that Jesus was born. Strange how God operates. Sort of, unpredictable really. Don't you think?
Don't you just LOVE how people try to use the OT when they
think it suits their sin...

but when we use the OT to prove sin, all of a sudden the OT Laws are yanked out just to show us how obsolete & out of touch the OT is when it condemns the sins some are trying to condone.

lol^_^
So essentially, the OT only is only adequate by several here to 'legalize' moral sins;
When it condemns sin, it's time to expose all those harsh
civil & ceremonial laws to prove it's outdated & we
aren't under any of it anymore.

:idea: But if it's outdated, then so are the 'lawful' sins God allowed them.
Like divorce that Jesus set them straight on - that they were still
committing adultery when remarrying.
Why wouldn't the same apply to polygamy or any other moral acts.
?
People want to have it both ways, but it doesn't work -
and it especially won't work at judgment standing before God
to give account.
 
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Understand clearly what I am saying...adultery is sinful...swinging may or may not be. I...personally don't engage in it. However...I would never sit in the seat of judgement and tell people they are sinning when I don't know for sure that they are. If they were directly violating the law of love or the specifics of the 10 commandments...then...and only then...would I say something. But that is me...I'm not a legalist.

chingchang

Ummm---I'm stunned by this post. Swinging does violate the 10 commandments.

GOD talking:

Exodus 20:14
"You must not commit adultery..."


Exodus 20:17
“You must not covet your neighbor’s house. You must not covet your neighbor’s wife, male or female servant, ox or donkey, or anything else that belongs to your neighbor.”


Deuteronomy 5:18
“You must not commit adultery."


Deuteronomy 5:21
“You must not covet your neighbor’s wife. You must not covet your neighbor’s house or land, male or female servant, ox or donkey, or anything else that belongs to your neighbor..."
 
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This just is simply sad.

Why don't they just admit that they aren't going to control their sexual urges and that they are going to go and sin?

What's next the Christian thieves guild?
Christian Assassins of America Local 213?
Christian Blasphemers?
 
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This just is simply sad.

Why don't they just admit that they aren't going to control their sexual urges and that they are going to go and sin?

What's next the Christian thieves guild?
Christian Assassins of America Local 213?
Christian Blasphemers?
Well that's just it -

They aren't repenting, it's boldly claiming they're
Christian ___fill in the sin___ .
It's to tie Christianity WITH the sin, not just commit a
random sin out of weakness.
Big big difference.

Whatever, they can think they get away with it for now,
but when they meet God they'll get a rude awakening.
 
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It is the definition of adultery that is the issue. If you've read my posts you'd know that I don't argue that adultery is a sin...that much is obvious. It is the definition of adultery that is the issue here. You assume that swingers are adulterous based on your (and modern-day society's) definition of adultery. The question is...when God delivered the law what was the definition of 'adultery'? Definitions of words change with cultures. You shouldn't be "stunned" by my posts...instead you should offer proof that 'adultery' meant the same thing then (when the law was given) as it does now. This is important because God does not change...right? So what did not violate God's law (nature...which is love) then can not violate his law now.

chingchang

Ummm---I'm stunned by this post. Swinging does violate the 10 commandments.

GOD talking:

Exodus 20:14
"You must not commit adultery..."

Exodus 20:17
“You must not covet your neighbor’s house. You must not covet your neighbor’s wife, male or female servant, ox or donkey, or anything else that belongs to your neighbor.”

Deuteronomy 5:18
“You must not commit adultery."

Deuteronomy 5:21
“You must not covet your neighbor’s wife. You must not covet your neighbor’s house or land, male or female servant, ox or donkey, or anything else that belongs to your neighbor..."
 
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David had remorse and repented after he committed adultery...which was the taking of another man's property (stealing) without the consent of the property owner. David felt no remorse (that we know of from the Bible) with regard to having sex with his MANY wives, concubines and slaves-girls. I'm not saying that we should all go out and do that...I'm just saying that God heaped blessings on David at that time and actually gave him all those women to do with what he pleased. David did not sin until he stole another man's property (committed adultery) without that man's consent. If you can't admit that much then you have not "ears to hear".

chingchang

There's a huge difference in what King David has done and these "party animals" are doing! David had remorse and repented and was given right standing before His God.

Swingers don't repent. They love their disgusting behaviour, and try to enlist others in it.

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It is the definition of adultery that is the issue. If you've read my posts you'd know that I don't argue that adultery is a sin...that much is obvious. It is the definition of adultery that is the issue here. You assume that swingers are adulterous based on your (and modern-day society's) definition of adultery. The question is...when God delivered the law what was the definition of 'adultery'? Definitions of words change with cultures. You shouldn't be "stunned" by my posts...instead you should offer proof that 'adultery' meant the same thing then (when the law was given) as it does now. This is important because God does not change...right? So what did not violate God's law (nature...which is love) then can not violate his law now.

chingchang


If you must argue the meaning of such a self-explanatory word, then you must do so with God. I can't help you. Everyone else knows what it means. It has not changed in meaning since the beginning.
 
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David had remorse and repented after he committed adultery...which was the taking of another man's property (stealing) without the consent of the property owner. David felt no remorse (that we know of from the Bible) with regard to having sex with his MANY wives, concubines and slaves-girls. I'm not saying that we should all go out and do that...I'm just saying that God heaped blessings on David at that time and actually gave him all those women to do with what he pleased. David did not sin until he stole another man's property (committed adultery) without that man's consent. If you can't admit that much then you have not "ears to hear".

chingchang

David repented of his concubines as far as I know, and kept only to his wife, Bathsheba.
 
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Knowing what the Bible says does not equate to studying. Anybody can memorize scripture, read the Bible and cut/paste scripture and say "see...right here...this is what it says." Is the Bible really being understood? If it was that easy...Jesus would not have repeatedly said "he who hath ears to hear let him hear". You see...I like others on this thread know what the Bible says. But...it is our understanding of what it means that is at odds. I used to be a conservative/evangelical Bible literalists...focusing on the trees...but now I can see the forest. They live by the letter of the law...instead of the law of love (which Yeshua taught).

I will retire from this thread now. You all win...you have successfully held-off the end-times false teacher who just wants to justify sin and teach heresy!!!

Pah-lease.

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Hi ChingChang
While I see the Bible and history much as you do. I'm going to let you know that when you have read as many of Nadiine's posts as I have, you will find that she has studied the Bible as much as we have.
dayhiker
 
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