Pope: Saving world from homosexuality like saving rainforests

[geekgirlkelli]

3) That's not new. They've always had the same rights according to scripture as a man has had.

You're kidding, right? Have you read your own Bible?

5) Is it? I'd say after the latest round of voting that's not entirely true. Even in a Godless nation like the United States. If memory serves gays are batting 0 having lost 3 of the 3 votes this past November.

lol, don't Fred on us now. We didn't lose everything, and what we did lose was lost because of the Christian right spending millions on alarmist propaganda.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

That does not surprise me at all since we all know telling a teenager not to do something guarantees he or she will not do it.

And of course educating them about the responsibilities of sex is a much less logical thing to do than just telling them not to.

No but the parents should control the dating and dealings when their children are around the opposite sex. In parts of Italy and Greece the parents always go with their children when they go out on a date or if 2 couples are interesting in marrying each other. Or even back earlier when parents would help pick a good humble wife for their son or visa versa(prearranged)

I don't have problem with dating in controlled manner. But if the couple really like each other then they should get married.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

No but the parents should control the dating and dealings when their children are around the opposite sex. In parts of Italy and Greece the parents always go with their children when they go out on a date or if 2 couples are interesting in marrying each other. Or even back earlier when parents would help pick a good humble wife for their son or visa versa(prearranged)

I definitely do not agree with prearranged marriage and parents need to not only trust their children but also that they have taught them well enough that the kids can make their own decisions.

I don't have problem with dating in controlled manner. But if the couple really like each other then they should get married.

Dating in a controlled manner may be ok for minors but as soon as they turn 18 it would not be acceptable.

And I for one am 40 and still have not done enough shopping to be able to decide on a wife so you cannot expect a young couple to get married just because they like each other.

 

[QuakerOats]

I definitely do not agree with prearranged marriage and parents need to not only trust their children but also that they have taught them well enough that the kids can make their own decisions.


Dating in a controlled manner may be ok for minors but as soon as they turn 18 it would not be acceptable.

I agree, if I were being followed on dates, etc. by my parents, I would definitely feel like they lack trust in me, and by extension, their own parenting. I'd probably emancipate myself, and/or get a restraining order if they insisted on following me around all the time. Frightening...

 

[CreedIsChrist]

I definitely do not agree with prearranged marriage and parents need to not only trust their children but also that they have taught them well enough that the kids can make their own decisions.


Dating in a controlled manner may be ok for minors but as soon as they turn 18 it would not be acceptable.

And I for one am 40 and still have not done enough shopping to be able to decide on a wife so you cannot expect a young couple to get married just because they like each other.

You can trust your children while having dating in a controlled manner. But a young boy or girl cannot always trust themselves when they are alone and hormones start to rage unless they have extremely strong faith. Many young people do not have the will to say no to pleasure and lust. ALso the way we dress has changed, with men dressing much more sporty and women dressing much more provacatively which induces more seduction and lust. So rather than looking for someone because they are a decent person, they start looking for a person simply because of lust.

SOmetimes prearrganged marriages are better because the parents often know better than the children. Young people will often short change themselves on the quality of the person simply because they are good looking or have money and status rather than the ture quality and personality traits of the person.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

I agree, if I were being followed on dates, etc. by my parents, I would definitely feel like they lack trust in me, and by extension, their own parenting. I'd probably emancipate myself, and/or get a restraining order if they insisted on following me around all the time. Frightening...

Thats sad. Can't say much about parents who let their children run out wild. A child emancipating themselves because they can't date the way they want, lol. What has this country come to, lol..

A child is supposed to honor their mother and father

 

[brightmorningstar]

To OphiliaPhile,

And of course educating them about the responsibilities of sex is a much less logical thing to do than just telling them not to.

But those children to whom you are refrring are the product of a man and woman, not a same sex couple which is another reason against same sex union and why the Pope points out the gender confusion.

Abortion rates are decreasing nationally.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/94330.php

yes that’s true, and these figures are even more up to date..
http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2008/01/17/index.html

However that’s not true everywhere. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/5012064.stm
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23401185-details/Level+of+abortions+reaches+record+high+of+200,000+a+year/article.do

perhaps you have George Bush for thank for that.

But yes you are correct that what I clamed about increasing rates isnt true for everywhere, nonetheless that was only half my argument.

 

[cantata]

I have this crazy idea that young people should be allowed to make mistakes rather than being forced down their parents' idea of the right path and thereby quite possibly resenting them for the rest of their lives.

 

[b&wpac4]

Thats sad. Can't say much about parents who let their children run out wild. A child emancipating themselves because they can't date the way they want, lol. What has this country come to, lol..

A child is supposed to honor their mother and father

Things were so much, much better in the good old days. Why can't we go back to then?

Women voting, LOL! What has this country come to?

Equal rights for minorities! LOL what has this country come to?

 

[b&wpac4]

Things were so much, much better in the good old days. Why can't we go back to then?

Women voting, LOL! What has this country come to?

Equal rights for minorities! LOL what has this country come to?

ok, that was a bit harsh, but I am just a little tired of people pretending that there were no problems just a few years ago, and everything was rosy and happy and people went around singing Christmas carols all year!

The time you are thinking of never existed. What decade would you like to point to for this great and moral time?

The 40s? World War II: where there were videos telling the soldiers to be careful of going to prostitutes and giving them too much information. The videos would not have been necessary if a lot of the soldiers weren't going.
Also, there was a nation made up of mostly Christian people who were trying to put to death the Jewish race. It only took us... what? 5-10 years to decide to put a stop to that and only then because we were bombed. Go USA.

The 50s? Ah yes, the time of the Red Scare, when rights were thrown right out the window if the person was just suspected of maybe attending a meeting in college where socialists may have been! Also, segregation was considered just awesome and when the Civil Rights movement started so many of the "moral" people resisted it. Because, you know... minorities aren't as good as the majority. It's just common knowledge.

So, when was this magical time where things were just perfect? (The only possible answer you could give would be "Garden of Eden", if you believe in that)

 

[Oneofthediaspora]

i've heard the opposite so go ahead and cite your statistics.

And please don't cite ones that compare today's birth/abortion rates to ones in, say, the 50s, as that was a totally different culture lacking things such as the internet and britney spears.

I can't speak for the US as I don't know the figures but here in Britain the rates are rising. Disturbingly they are rising most in the under-16 population.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...e-hits-record-high-among-under16s-851030.html

 

[HighwayMan]

The issue isn't if they are obstacles or not (though they certainly are) the issue is that they forbidden by a higher law than even the law of the land. That is God's law. And yes that is the ruler by which the issue is measured. By human standards you are correct; sexual deviancy is not an issue. By God's standards it is.

but then that is admitting that the "anti-gay" stance is entirely abstract and is wrong simply because it is written in the Bible?

That is different from, say, "Though Shall not Kill" , because murder obviously affects society in a bad way.

So then the question is...what about the other hundreds of seemingly abstract laws in the Bible that no one ever adhers to today?

Why does the Pope not come out with a statement against all those that eat shellfish?

Or how about keeping the holy day "holy"? Even most Christians don't do that anymore. Wouldn't that make God angrier?

 

[Oneofthediaspora]

I can't speak for the US as I don't know the figures but here in Britain the rates are rising. Disturbingly they are rising most in the under-16 population.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...e-hits-record-high-among-under16s-851030.html

No abstinence education here BTW.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Even the Pope is bound to get something right from time to time it seems.

However, this is not one of those rare times.
:o

 

[ChaliceThunder]

I find sour cream to be absolutely repulsive. The flavor makes me vomit.

I don't mind if you like sour cream, but I absolutely refuse to eat anything you put it on.

Therefore we must eradicate sour cream from society!

 

[ChaliceThunder]

They may well overturn it but their overturning it isn't a reflection of the will of the people. And Ca wasn't the only state that voted on similar issues. Those aren't going to get overturned.

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Equality and civil rights are not subject to the will of the people.
It will be overturned.

 

[stan1980]

I've heard it all now. The pope complaining about other people's sexual morals. It would be like Bin Laden complaining about terrorism.

Considering recent events, no one from the Catholic Church should be able to talk about sexual morals for at least 100 years.

 

[Gremlins]

I've heard it all now. The pope complaining about other people's sexual morals. It would be like Bin Laden complaining about terrorism.

Considering recent events, no one from the Catholic Church should be able to talk about sexual morals for at least 100 years.

As a Catholic, I agree >_<. It's ludicrous that our priests have to stay celibate, then get to shout at the rest of us about what's normal sexually.

On the other hand, every sperm is sacred...

 

[bsd13]

Equality and civil rights are not subject to the will of the people.
It will be overturned.

Curiosity gets the best of me. You're icon suggests that you are a Christian. How do you reconcile your stance on gay rights with what the Bible says? Seems to me they are polar opposites...

 

[morningstar2651]

Sorry Nathan45, but people are opposed to abstinence, it is generally not taught in schools or in may AID's programs.

Alsonot everyone can be relied on to use condomns, if there arent any, or if people are drunk they often dont bother, so why bother with condoms either?

That's not true. You'd be hard pressed to find a single school that doesn't teach abstinence.

I got an abstinence only education. I learned about doing nothing. I had to teach myself.

http://www.nomoremoney.org/mustTeach.html
http://www.nomoremoney.org/public.html
http://www.nomoremoney.org/reality.html