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The words ish and ishyah are common Hebrew words for male and female or man and wife. Is there any reason these terms refer back to Adam and Eve rather than the husband divorcing the wife of his youth that Malachi is talking about?
Again you probably see some deep significance in the etymology, but is there any reason to think the word is not simply being used as the Hebrew word for residue rather than a reference back to Adam and Eve. The word is never even used in connection with Adam and Eve.
Difficult verse that, usually translated as the Lord forms the spirit of man within him. In fact it looks like you had change the AV there from formeth the spirit of man to formeth the spirit of Adam. It is the Hebrew word adm, but it certainly isn't clear it should be translated Adam here rather than man.
Really don't know what you are saying here.
It is sad, made perhaps a bit easier by Paul's statement that there must be factions in the church. I think the most important part is how we treat those we disagree with. To paraphrase our Lord, If we just love those who agree with us, what good is that?
As I mentioned to ysm in another post, I think the problem comes when we try to build up a theology of the gospel. In a very real way this is something we should do, and it is made easier by the way the OT is full of pictures pointing forward to Christ and the Cross. The problem comes when the theology of the gospel we have built up runs into someone who reads those OT passages differently. The temptation is to think they are rejecting the gospel itself rather than our own limited and flawed understanding.
Does the OT ever refer to Adam as ben elohim? I know it come up in Luke, in the genealogy, it is not presented as part of an explanation of the gospel. Yet you see Adam being ben elohim as fundamental to the gospel.
To my understanding, the seed was about the redeemer, not the other way round, that the seed was to be redeemed. Paul seems to take a similar view with the seed of Abraham, pointing out that seed is singular referring to Christ rather than referring to many. Gal 3:16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He doesn't say, "To seeds," as of many, but as of one, "To your seed," which is Christ.
When was Adam ever in the assemblies of the (angelic) sons of God? It was God who walked with him in the Garden.
Miscommunication there: the Seed is the Redeemer/Kinsman of the dead husband of earth. The Kinsman/Redeemer is the Atonement. He is the Propitiation. His New Man body is the True Mercy Seat typed by Moses; and His blood is the Sin offering offered on the true Mercy Seat. His Living Spirit [which He committed to God when He gave up the Spirit] is the "Ram chosen for YHWH"; and His soul [His New Man Person] is the Ram chosen "for Azazel", who had all the sins and iniquities of the whole world [of the entire age of this present creation], laid upon it by the Father, when He hung upon the cross [Isaiah 53], which soul was then "sent away", to take those sins He bore; "to Azazel".
He was made to ascend to and sit upon the throne of Glory in the heavenlies, when the Royal assemblies were called. He would have, too, if he had passed the test. He would have always represented his seed there. He died in the fall and never ascended to that throne.
Actually, the sexual term for male and female is zakar and nĕqebah;. Genesis 1:27; Gen 5:2; and so on and so forth.
Malachi makes the purpose of marraige a sacred and holy thing from the beginning, when He made them [the male and the female] one/echad, because he sought sons of God =godly seed, for Himself, by that making of the male and female Adam "one" spirit. Marraige itself is for God's purpose of getting the sons of God of the human being kind by the multiplication of the seed created in the loins of the male Adam.
] as a direct result of the fall of it's "god", the human being called Adam.
Back to the OP-
In TE, there is no creation of Adam as the human being son of God, whose body was formed on day six -days of six evenings and six monings- from the dust of the adamah [ground].
In TE, there is no "Adam son of God" whose body was made in the image of God. -In fact; made in the image of God the Word, who was to come [Romans 5:14].
In TE there is no fall from the glory indwelling the Adam as a human being son of God, and no corruption entering the world [globe
In TE, there is not a fall of Adam and of his dominion, but there is a continous ongoing upward struggle to advance to some state of eternal godhood.
TE has no need for the Gospel of Savlation in the New Man name, because there is no fall of the old man Adam and so no first death entering the world at that fall of Adam.
TE there is no corruption entering Adam's dominion because of that fall, but there is a world corrupt from the beginning, filled with nothing good and glorious, but only of that which is evil and debauched.
In TE there is no fall from the glory indwelling the Adam as a human being son of God, and no corruption entering the world [globe
I do not know on what basis one would describe a world prior to the fall as "evil and debauched". Until humanity sinned, the world was described by its Maker as "very good".
-But described by TE-ists as a world filled with death and corruption. Even the TE-ist think God gave an evolved souless beast which was subject to death and corruption, a soul, and called that beast with soul "Adam" -but that is heresy indeed, for all animals that breathe are souls.
For that matter, I do not know of any scripture which describes the non-human world as "corrupt" even after human sin. Certainly it was no longer a place where humanity felt at home. It resisted human attempts to cultivate the soil, producing thorns and thistles along with grain. Paul describes it as having been subjected to futility and decay.
The "adamah" that all beasts were brought forth from and from which Adam's flesh body is formed was and is cursed. Whatever comes of that Adamah from that time is defiled and subject to decay/corruption
decay is corruption.
Only Jesus' New Man body was not subject to corruption when He willingly gave His life for our redemption and departed His Glorious body and remained absent from it for three days and three nights [72 hours]; because "the prince of this world had nothing in Him" and so His body was not subject to corruption.
Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. Rom 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.
That the human body is the image of God is unfortunately a growing modern heresy (and a violation of the 2nd commandment). No material thing is an image of the invisible God who, as Jesus reminds us, is Spirit. For 2,000 years Christians (and Jews for even longer) have clearly taught that the image of God is not a bodily image.
God made His own image of Himself: Adam, and no, God did not break the second commandment when He made Adam in His own image -and making an image is not forbidden in the commandments, but making an image to worship it as a god is forbidden. YHWH commanded Moses to make images of Cherubim to cover the Mercy Seat -and no, He did not break the Commandment to do so.
The Word of God teaches, only, that Adam is made in the physical image of God the Word; the second Person in YHWH. There is no such doctrine of Adam's body formed from the adamah of this creation being made in some 'spiritual image of an unseen spirit" -how contradictory to claim such a thing! And the One Image of YHWH whom all created beings do "See", is God the Word. He is "YHWH Seen", from the beginning.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image/tselem, after our likeness/demuwth: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
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The Person of God the Word is always YHWH Seen. Moses saw Him.
Num 12:8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of YHWH shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
Jam 3:9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
Eze 1:1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth [month], in the fifth [day] of the month, as I [was] among the captives by the river of Chebar, [that] the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.
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The created kinds of sons of God are called ben elohym and individually they are sometimes called el.
The first human being was indeed created as a sar=ruler, an elohym. He is called Adam, son of God, in Luke 3:38. -and BTW; the TE fall of Adam is more related to Mormonism than to the true record of creation and the fall of the god of the earth, Adam, as it is written of in Genesis 1-3.
The Redeemer/Kinsman of Adam who has ransomed the kingdom back, which Adam lost, is the second human being, the Son of Man who is the God of the whole earth; and as second Man He is the "Everlasting [Human Being[ Father", and is "God-Mighty God-Israel" who wrestled with Jacob [YHWH of hosts; Hosea 12"3-5] and gave Jacob His New Man name; "Isra-el".
Psa 82:1 [[A Psalm of Asaph.]] God standeth in the congregation of the El; he judgeth among the gods/Elohym...Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] elohym; and all of you [are] ben Elohym..
Psa 82:7 But ye shall die like Adam," נפל naphal אחד 'echad שר sar" -Adam is the one prince that is fallen, and the threat YHWH gives the elohym is that they will die like the one prince, Adam. http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=82&v=1&t=KJV#conc/7
Isa 54:5 For thy Maker [is] thine husband; the LORD of hosts [is] his name; and thy Redeemer/Kinsman the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Eze 1:26 And above the firmament that [was] over their heads [was] the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of Adam above upon it.
Rom 5:14 Adam .... is the figure/typos of him that was to come.
typos1) the mark of a stroke or blow, print
Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth Adam's blood, by Adam shall his blood be shed: for in the image/tselem of God made he Adam. http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=9&v=6&t=KJV#conc/6
Certainly that is God's plan for us, to be seated together with Jesus Christ in the heavenlies Eph 2:6. I suppose you could read that back into the story of Adam and say he was meant to have taken his seat there too. But that is not a point the bible makes, so it is hard to claim the rejection of your inference here is a rejection of some fundamental aspect of the gospel.
Very true. I was thrown by Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. But that is the only verse that translates ish and ishyah that way. But the point remains ish and ishyah are the common hebrew words for man and wife.
You find that allegorical reading of Genesis in Eph 5:31 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." 32 This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. 33 However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband. However just because Paul find a deep allegorical significance, a profound mystery, in the picture of husband and wife in Genesis, it does not mean every time the bible speaks of husband and wife it is talking about Adam and Eve or Christ and the Church. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Malachi was talking about a husband divorcing the wife of his youth, and how much God hates divorce, what basis is there to think God 'making one' refers to Adam and Eve, rather than the man divorcing his wife and destroying the covenant bond?
Bacteria, protists, fungi and plants are created spirits clothed with their own "houses" for the individuals multiplied in the kind to wear, but they are not living souls.
Scripture does indeed say His body of second Man creation was not subject to death and corruption. -And if He had not "taken it back up" it would never, ever, evwer, have decayed, for Satan "possessed nothing in Himf [in His flesh]", which death and corruption do have in "all" Adamkind. The Adam body is called "the body of death".
