I am very confused

[ephraimanesti]

You seem to be VERY confused. If you actually read the bible you will know that 6500 years ago was the creation of earth. 6500 years ago paper was not used. The bible was created 400 years after Jesus's death. So I will ask you sir, where in the world are YOU getting your information.

The first Book of the Bible--Genesis--was written by Moses approximately 1440 B.C. making the Bible approximately 3500 years old, so, yes, i was confused due to the fact that the events described in Genesis date back thousands of years before they were written down.

The last Book of the Bible--Revelations--was written by St. John approximately 96 A.D.

Papyrus, not paper, was used as writing material in Biblical times.

A BOND-SLAVE OF CHRIST,
ephraim

 

[Ikuis]

Ikuis you are using a 1600 year book as proof that over 500 people saw Jesus after his crucifixion. Also in the bible It shows Jesus leading a army to kill a city. All man and children were killed. The women were raped. And yet god is called all loving. Please explain this.

The bible is not just a book with one author written at a certain time. It is a collection of various documents written at different times by different people. What we generally accept as "The Bible" is the result of a process of canonising the NT documents and adding them officially to the Hebrew Bible, i.e. the OT. Around the end of the 2nd century the NT comprised pretty much just Luke's gospel and 10 of Paul's letters (Marcion). But you are right that the general acceptance of the full NT as we know it was just over 1600 years ago.

I was not proving that 500+ people saw Jesus, I was just proving that the Bible does not agree with your statement that Jesus was just a human prophet. I was not arguing which one of you is correct

You are also right about the horror stories of the OT (although I don't think you mean Jesus led such an army). These also cause me great distress. So much so that I often feel that the God of the OT must be a different God to that of the NT! I have still failed to hear a fully adequate explanation for this difference. However, it is not just an OT issue, there are also incidences in the NT that raise the same issue. For example, Matthew's gospel starts with Herod killing all the babies in the region in an attempt to also kill the infant Jesus. The only reason why he even knew about Jesus was because the Magi told him about it. But if God told the Magi to return home by a different route to avoid Herod, why didn't God tell them not to go to Herod in the first place! ( there is an answer for this but it doesn't belong here).

My only (rather pathetic) offering is that the the OT era was the era of Law and penalty for breaching it. Humanity was a rough and brutal species in those times and God's handling of humanity reflected this. Ultimately, the penalty for sin is death for all humans, so how God executes that penalty is His affair. One could also argue why did God brutally flood and exterminate nearly the entire race if He made us capable of sin in the first place? Is God not ultimately Himself responsible for all sin if He could have made it impossible to sin? - that is, in my opinion, an interesting thought considering God Himself died on the cross in the form of Jesus in order to atone for the sins of the world - but, again, that is another story!

Thanks for the response

 

[Truthstriker]

The first Book of the Bible--Genesis--was written by Moses approximately 1440 B.C. making the Bible approximately 3500 years old, so, yes, i was confused due to the fact that the events described in Genesis date back thousands of years before they were written down.

The last Book of the Bible--Revelations--was written by St. John approximately 96 A.D.

Papyrus, not paper, was used as writing material in Biblical times.

A BOND-SLAVE OF CHRIST,
ephraim

Actally paperus was only uses in the middle east and africa. else were they uses sheep skin. By the way Moses did not live in 1440 b.c And Jesus was not even born and even thought of. And alsoin 1440 b.c Christianity was not even thought of. So what you are speaking of is imposiable.

 

[drich0150]

Actally paperus was only uses in the middle east and africa. else were they uses sheep skin. By the way Moses did not live in 1440 b.c And Jesus was not even born and even thought of. And alsoin 1440 b.c Christianity was not even thought of. So what you are speaking of is imposiable.

Moses Was a Jew. As the leader of the Jewish nation He lead all of the Jews out of Egypt (Which is in Africa) During the time the Jewish people were is the desert (Before they were given the land, you know as Israel) Moses was instructed to go on to a mountain where he was to receive the Law. He put this law and all of the other revelations he received (Including the accounts of creation) into the first 5 books of the Old testament or as the Jews call it the Pentateuch or "Torah" So if you open a bible the first 5 books are Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy.. This is the beginning of the Jewish and Christian bibles.. We have the same origins.. That's why it can be said that the bible is older than Christianity.

 

[Truthstriker]

Ok thanks for having me understand that. Sorry if I got a little stuck up

 

[ephraimanesti]

Actally paperus was only uses in the middle east and africa. else were they uses sheep skin.

FYI: According to the Online Etymology Dictionary, the word bible[4] is from Latin biblia, traced from the same word through Medieval Latin and Late Latin, as used in the phrase biblia sacra ("holy book" - "In the Latin of the Middle Ages, the neuter plural for Biblia (gen. bibliorum) gradually came to be regarded as a feminine singular noun (biblia, gen. bibliae, in which singular form the word has passed into the languages of the Western world."[5]). This stemmed from the Greek term τὰ βιβλία τὰ ἅγια (ta biblia ta hagia), "the holy books", which derived from βιβλίον (biblion),[6] "paper" or "scroll," the ordinary word for "book", which was originally a diminutive of βύβλος (byblos, "Egyptian papyrus"), possibly so called from the name of the Phoenician port Byblos from whence Egyptian papyrus was exported to Greece.

By the way Moses did not live in 1440 b.c.

Actually, according to Bible scholars, Moses finished writing the final book of the Pentateuch--Deuteronomy--about 1400 B.C. They also hold that he was approximately 120 years old when he died. Do da math.

And Jesus was not even born and even thought of. And alsoin 1440 b.c Christianity was not even thought of. So what you are speaking of is imposiable.[/QUOTE]
i have no clue what that is about. Perhaps you are referencing another post somewhere?

Why are you here? What are you seeking? What are you struggling with? Please help me to take you seriously!

A BOND-SLAVE OF CHRIST,
ephraim

 

[Truthstriker]

I don't have to do any math to tell me you that Moses was not 120 years when he died since you are right(sorry) in 1440 b.c the averge death was around 33-45 years old.. I came here to answer any questions. However for the most part all I got was more questions.

 

[Zebra1552]

After looking through the bible I found something on the 2nd page of the bible.
"And God said, I created man in our image.
Part of Genesis 2:26
Our means more than one person. So if I understand this correctly the bible states that their is more than one god.

No. Ever heard of the Trinity?

 

[Zebra1552]

I don't have to do any math to tell me you that Moses was not 120 years when he died since you are right(sorry) in 1440 b.c the averge death was around 33-45 years old.. I came here to answer any questions. However for the most part all I got was more questions.

Moses was not a very average man, was he?

 

[divided sky]

It's pretty simple, actually. In the ancient Middle East, gods were seen to be the head of a heavenly court, that's why Yahweh says "us". It doesn't mean there are multiple gods. Yahweh is God alone, and he's the king of his heavenly court.

 

[Truthstriker]

No. Ever heard of the Trinity?

Yes I have. Infact I posted about it earlier in the thread. I also said that I understand what they meant by our. I am not trying to be disrespectful, but please read the entire thread before posting.

 

[Zebra1552]

Yes I have. Infact I posted about it earlier in the thread. I also said that I understand what they meant by our. I am not trying to be disrespectful, but please read the entire thread before posting.

And your post makes little to no sense in the proper understanding of what the Trinity is. It ignores the proper Christian understanding of the Trinity for the sake of making an argument against it. So I ask again, have you ever heard of the Trinity? Do you know what it is? Define it for us.

 

[Truthstriker]

And your post makes little to no sense in the proper understanding of what the Trinity is. It ignores the proper Christian understanding of the Trinity for the sake of making an argument against it. So I ask again, have you ever heard of the Trinity? Do you know what it is? Define it for us.

Trinty is the belief that god exist in 3 parts. The 3 parts are God the father, God the son, and God the holy spirit. From what I understand it is not directly mentioned in the bible. However in John's Gospel it says this "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; After that it goes on to explain that The word is Jesus Christ. The Holy spirit is different from the father and the son. In the Old testament it says that the holy spirit its says that the holy spirit is a distinct devine being. Which is kind of confusing. But the point is I understand the Trinity.

 

[Zebra1552]

Trinty is the belief that god exist in 3 parts. The 3 parts are God the father, God the son, and God the holy spirit. From what I understand it is not directly mentioned in the bible. However in John's Gospel it says this "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; After that it goes on to explain that The word is Jesus Christ. The Holy spirit is different from the father and the son. In the Old testament it says that the holy spirit its says that the holy spirit is a distinct devine being. Which is kind of confusing. But the point is I understand the Trinity.

Then you know that it is one member with three distinct persons to it. Each person has a role, a name, and a time period. Thus, one God in three persons. A group contained in one God.

 

[Truthstriker]

Yes I understand that

 

[ephraimanesti]

I don't have to do any math to tell me you that Moses was not 120 years when he died since you are right(sorry) in 1440 b.c the averge death was around 33-45 years old..

There was NOTHING "average" about God's Prophet/Servant Moses!

I came here to answer any questions. However for the most part all I got was more questions.

If i may say so, i think your problem has to do with the fact that your argumentative stance casts serious aspersions on your claim to be seeking answers, and instead tends to indicate a close-minded seeking for arguments. (An example above might be your highly confident and totally baseless avowal that Moses couldn't possibly have lived to 120 years in spite of expert opinions to the contrary.) My guess is that you might be in dire need of a little humility in the face of Truths you don't understand. Or maybe that's just my reaction.

A BOND-SLAVE OF CHRIST,
ephraim

 

[Zebra1552]

Yes I understand that

No, you don't. If you did, you would not state the following:

Ok after looking at your post Drich and looking up trinity in wikipedia it is my understanding that their is 3 beings. The holy sprit,father,and Jesus which is the son. However if you look at this literaly Jesus can not be the son of god because he had a human mother and a human father. Jesus is not the son of God because God is not human. Therefore since Jesus is not the son of god, then God is the not the father. The holy spirit is the only form of god. God only has one personality. God does not have multiple personalities disorder. So if god is real he is not in solid form. therefore he is not a he but simply it. Jesus was a jewish rabah. He had a human father and a female mother. He was a prophet nothing more nothing less. So there is father and there is not son. So please tell me what else our could refer to if anything else at all.

So let me ask again. What is your understanding of the Trinity?

 

[ephraimanesti]

Yes I understand that

Let me hasten to state that no one FULLY understands the Trinitarian aspects of our God, but i suggest that you are missing some very important aspects of the Trinity, and i hope you will take the time to read the article on the Trinity at: http://www.christianity.co.nz/trinity.htm . If you are really seeking Truth, this will help you understanding of our Christian God--which, of course, is foundational to understanding everything else. i would urge you to read it to "fine tune" your understanding of a very complex--but equally important--subject.

A BOND-SLAVE OF CHRIST,
ephraim

 

[drich0150]

Truthstriker,

I think your on track in your efforts, but along the way you have stepped on some toes, and now alot of what is being left in the way of "godly direction" or spiritual guidance is a result of your early words and work. I understand the need to question all things before accepting them. The bible commands us to do the same thing, but alot of time people forget. or they mistake your intentions or maybe the lines get alittle blurred and all of this becomes personal.. either way We are the ones at fault because if the true Spirit of God dwells with in us then Patience should be one of the gifts we receive from him..

Your presents is a Gage to how much patiences we all lack.. Which is a good thing if you will forgive us for our short comings as representatives of God, and continue with you questions.. Just remember I can't speak for everyone, but I can apologize for my part in all of this. So I am sorry if I was alittle more hash than I needed to be, but like everyone else here This God our God is my passion, and sometimes passionate things can blurr the lines of responsibility, and patiences.

 

[Sinful2B]

Hi and welcome

Truthstriker - you seem to be receiving advice from people who are using as their defence, ignorance, or perhaps as a kinder interpretation would make it, convenient forgetfulness.
I shall not deal with all points, but just highlight a few.

Yahweh, is NOT the Christian God. It was a pagan God, as confirmed by the archaeological evidence of Yahweh convorting with the harlot of Babylon, Ishtarah.

Elohim, was the collective name for The Gods, in ancient dialects, and originates again within pagan cultures.

The Trinity again, is of pagan origin, particularly in terms of the Sumerian and Egyptian religions, the later with direct reference to Osiris.

The tetragrammaton also happens to be of Egyptian origin, the documented evidence preceeding Christianity by 1,740 years, dating the earliest part of the Bible to 1,760BC and the remainder to subsequent more modern epochs.

God, of course, as a concept, is clearly of pagan origin, not the least by a multitude of races and cultures, tribes and regions, but also by a multiplicity of variety within each, many of which were characteristically conjoined as one culture overthrew another. Indeed, this is how the Jewish God took on the persona of a variety of other pagan Gods, the most dominant of which was The Moon God, a facet of Christianity that prevails to this day - SIN.


In looking for truth, I suggest you try abandoning the "ask for advice" tactic, for inevitably, the blinkered response will always be determined by the agenda governing the respondee.