Should Christians interact with Gays at all?

[Nihilismus]

The almighty holders of the darwinian faith, when challenged by questioning, spout excommunication like any good old tongs weilding inquisitor. Look at the post about the Christian girl flunking out of college because she didn't "believe in" evolution.

But this thread is about Christians getting the heck away from homosexuals, as they should. There is no need to interact with those that hate with such a passion.

Go darwinian Christian-bashing in a new thread if you wish to feed that dictator.

I apologize, but I am still unable to grasp your analogy...what does it have to do with a flat earth?

 

[Chajara]

I see I never got an answer to my questions, and now the thread has gone back to oral and buttsex (oh hay straight people do this all the time by the way, particularly oral) and whether or not the theory of evolution is valid.

 

[OllieFranz]

Thats what they said in canada too when they were fighting for it there and now pastors have gone to jail for even speaking on it - people have been fined for refusing gay wedding photography and printing gay wedding invitations -there are tons of militant gays who chomp at the bit thinking they could sue a conservative pastor - so if you believe that really that they wouldnt try it - you arent being honest with yourself.
Also some schools are teaching homosexual lifestyle to gradeschoolers and teaching it as alternative lifestyles - gay marriage is not an ok thing to teach my child period and never will be.

That lie again?

Please provide a legitimate news source showing that a minister in Canada has been convicted and jailed for “speaking about homosexuality”

I have not been able to find any case of ministers being jailed for refusing to perform same-sex marriages in Canada. I have found a marriage commissioner who was fined for refusing to perform one, and who is attempting to sue the government.

A marriage commissioner is apparently a semi-civil-servant who is licensed to perform marriages. As such, he is acting as an agent of the state. At the time that same-sex marriages became legal, he was told that he would be expected to perform them when asked, and was given the opportunity to resign his license.

He was also told that he should apply through his church as a minister for a license to marry that would allow him to pick and choose who to marry.

The situation is exactly the same as if a fast-food chicken chain has just spent a fortune on developing and advertising a ribs entree, only to have a local franchise holder refuse to serve the ribs in his restaurante, because they are pork.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Only if such accusations untrue and are made as an invective; upholding the intellectual integrity of the thread is more than ethical here.

Then Christians should interact with homosexuals why? To do so is entertaining an aspect of lying for sure. Christians are admonished to leave those that refuse the Gospel alone to themselves.

This is not a new concept.

Here ya go:

Matthew 10:


5These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.' 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. 9Do not take along any gold or silver or copper in your belts; 10take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic, or sandals or a staff; for the worker is worth his keep.

11"Whatever town or village you enter, search for some worthy person there and stay at his house until you leave. 12As you enter the home, give it your greeting.

13If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you.

14If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.

15 I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

16I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.
17"Be on your guard against men; they will hand you over to the local councils and flog you in their synagogues.

18On my account you will be brought before governors
and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it.[/quote]

This whole situation with homosexuality and Gay Activism could have been avoided if conservative values would have been defended as passionately as is the efforts to challenge gay culture in our schools, our legislation and our judicial system.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I have not been able to find any case of ministers being jailed for refusing to perform same-sex marriages in Canada. I have found a marriage commissioner who was fined for refusing to perform one, and who is attempting to sue the government.

A marriage commissioner is apparently a semi-civil-servant who is licensed to perform marriages. As such, he is acting as an agent of the state. At the time that same-sex marriages became legal, he was told that he would be expected to perform them when asked, and was given the opportunity to resign his license.

He was also told that he should apply through his church as a minister for a license to marry that would allow him to pick and choose who to marry.

The situation is exactly the same as if a fast-food chicken chain has just spent a fortune on developing and advertising a ribs entree, only to have a local franchise holder refuse to serve the ribs in his restaurante, because they are pork.

From the hippy sixties explosion of celebrated promiscuity, to the riot against the police at the gay bar Stonewall Inn, to same-gender marriage, the Slippery Slope Syndrome does not bode well for Christians.

The desire that THEIR society not include debauchery and lasciviousness as a civl right, and taught in public education and forced by laws by civil-social magistrates, NOT be seen as a newly created hate crime infraction should not be seen as insult. But, Christians know how persecution goes from "others" engaging in lasciviousness, to it being sought in the populace that wishes to live otherwise.

History is replete with the licentious forcing themselves on the more quiet and passive peoples of the populace.

Is there any doubt - really - what this is all about?

Here:

Is there any doubt - really - what this is all about?

 

[OllieFranz]

Nowhere do I see Jesus asking me to accept gay marriage in fact He says gays should remain celibate for the kingdom of heaven. Preaching Gods word isnt a sin - thank you though for this post proving gays demand and do exactly as i stated . Its not discrimination to state the word of God.

Do I forgive gays for their choice of sin? Sure do -i am a sinner too but i am not asking others to call my sins ok.

I’m sure you will ignore what Jesus said but still here it is:
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.” John 13:34

You shall love your neighbor as yourself Galatians 5:14

If any one says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. 1 John 4:20


Can you cite chapter and verse where Jesus preaches that hate and discrimination are good things to do?

Most conservatives choose to translate malakos, "soft" as used in 1 Corinthians 6:9, as "effeminate" or even more clearly as "homosexual." I do not entirely agree with that translation, but however you choose to translate malakos, "bashing" "soft" people even to as mild a point as using the word "malakos" in an insulting tone of voice, is in direct violation of Jesus teachings: "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca ["malakos," "soft"], shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." (Matthew 5:22)

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Most conservatives choose to translate malakos, "soft" as used in 1 Corinthians 6:9, as "effeminate" or even more clearly as "homosexual." I do not entirely agree with that translation, but however you choose to translate malakos, "bashing" "soft" people even to as mild a point as using the word "malakos" in an insulting tone of voice, is in direct violation of Jesus teachings: "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca ["malakos," "soft"], shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." (Matthew 5:22)

"Brother" as in fellow believer.

The "pagans and tax collectors" are another matter.

Be that as it may, the opposition to same-gender sex acts is well-founded in Apostolic writings. And in the Gospel, marriage is a man and a woman.

Done deal.

 

[Pliny the Elder]

"Brother" as in fellow believer.

The "pagans and tax collectors" are another matter.

Be that as it may, the opposition to same-gender sex acts is well-founded in Apostolic writings. And in the Gospel, marriage is a man and a woman.

Done deal.

And I will state it again, the bible has nothing to do with law and cannot be used to force your idea on others.

 

[Andreusz]

Then Christians should interact with homosexuals why? To do so is entertaining an aspect of lying for sure. Christians are admonished to leave those that refuse the Gospel alone to themselves.

How do you propose this separation be achieved? Separate schools? A new secession?

This whole situation with homosexuality and Gay Activism could have been avoided if conservative values would have been defended as passionately as is the efforts to challenge gay culture in our schools, our legislation and our judicial system.

The 'situation' exists almost entirely in your mind and in the minds of people like you. In 99% of cases, gay activism is simply saying that if you are gay, it's okay. (The other 1% accounts for the lunatics who are to be found attached to any cause: the equivalents of Fred Phelps in the Christian cause.)

 

[Polycarp_fan]

And I will state it again, the bible has nothing to do with law and cannot be used to force your idea on others.

Than why should science be used instead?

We have a clear record of where that has led mankind. Smart bombs and war.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

Then Christians should interact with homosexuals why? To do so is entertaining an aspect of lying for sure. Christians are admonished to leave those that refuse the Gospel alone to themselves.

This is not a new concept.

Here ya go:

Matthew 10:


5These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.' 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. 9Do not take along any gold or silver or copper in your belts; 10take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic, or sandals or a staff; for the worker is worth his keep.

11"Whatever town or village you enter, search for some worthy person there and stay at his house until you leave. 12As you enter the home, give it your greeting.

13If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you.

14If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.

15 I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

16I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.
17"Be on your guard against men; they will hand you over to the local councils and flog you in their synagogues.

18On my account you will be brought before governors
and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it.

This whole situation with homosexuality and Gay Activism could have been avoided if conservative values would have been defended as passionately as is the efforts to challenge gay culture in our schools, our legislation and our judicial system.

You know what's really ironic about this?

You say "Christians are admonished to leave those that refuse the Gospel alone to themselves." yet Christians are the ones getting in our business by trying to legislate our relationships and what we do.

Hypocrites.

You know what else is ironic?

Christians live by a Bible that says this:

5These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.' 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. 9Do not take along any gold or silver or copper in your belts; 10take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic, or sandals or a staff; for the worker is worth his keep.

When is the last time Christians went from town to town healing the sick, raising the dead, casting out demons and such? When is the last time Christians did anything without thinking about and begging for money? When is the last time Christians simply left a place or a person alone because they didn't believe?

No, the reality is that Christians get in our faces, trying to force us to conform to their morals. They send millions of dollars to fund a propaganda campaign to try to force us to conform to their morals. They talk about sending all of us to an island. They tell us we should leave this country if we don't like them trying to force them to conform to their morals.

Their Bible says "Blessed are you when men revile and persecute you and say all manner of evil against you for my sake" yet they complain and whine loudly when faced with anyone who disagrees with them.

The reality is, most Christians don't even follow their own Bible, they do whatever is convenient for them.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

Than why should science be used instead?

We have a clear record of where that has led mankind. Smart bombs and war.

You're kidding right? I'm assuming you have already boycotted the use of cars, television, modern medicine, computers... When is the last time you worried about polio? Have any elderly relatives who needed hip replacement? Pacemakers? Did you pop a bagel into your toaster this morning? Reheat yesterday's dinner in the microwave? When is the last time you spent the entire day washing your laundry by hand?

Oh, and I'm assuming you simply prayed that the post of yours that I just quoted would appear on this bulletin board and that's how it got here, right?

Oh and I hate to tell you this, but most war is started because people can't leave other people alone when it comes to their religious beliefs. No my li'l Christian friend, science isn't the problem, hatred and bigotry rooted in religion is.

 

[IzzyPop]

Hmm sounds very dark ages familiar. Monolithic authoritarianism opposed to any challenges. Darwinism is the new flat earth.

Hmm yeah.

I have no problem with creationism being taught provided it can be established as a valid theory.

Yeah. That right there proves it is Dark Age thinking, what with me advocating torture for those that disagree with me.

Oh, wait. I don't have a problem with dissenting views, as long as said views can be backed up with some sort of evidence.




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[KCKID]

The reality is, most Christians don't even follow their own Bible, they do whatever is convenient for them.

They (most) don't follow the Bible because they have no idea what the Bible says or what it represents. Ghandi witnessed the difference between the concept of Christianity and the people who allege Christianity. Just take a look at those who allege Christianity on the forum. Can you just feel the love of Jesus jumping out from their posts or do you instead see haughty arrogance and huge amounts of condemnation dished out toward others simply because they are 'different' to them?

The very thread topic 'Should Christians interact with Gays at all? smacks of everything Jesus spent much of His ministry condemning. Forget about what supposed Christians would do in a given situation. The question should be What would Jesus do? I think that interacting with Gays would be at the top of Jesus' list. That would be after firstly taking down the gloating hypocrites a peg or two, of course.

 

[Morcova]

I don't think a lot of gay people even care about the institution of marriage. Its is about destroying it. Its Being in rebellion to God and recognition of their rebellion to God and if there wasn't a institution of marriage needed. There wouldn't have been a need to create women in the first place.

When you eat shrimp baby jesus cries.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

You're kidding right? I'm assuming you have already boycotted the use of cars, television, modern medicine, computers... When is the last time you worried about polio?

The knowledge of good and evil.

Hmm, sounds familiar. I boycot perversions and celebrating moral deviance. Use science right and all is fine.

Have any elderly relatives who needed hip replacement? Pacemakers?

Yup. And every one treated by a Christian surgeon.

Did you pop a bagel into your toaster this morning? Reheat yesterday's dinner in the microwave? When is the last time you spent the entire day washing your laundry by hand?

Hmm, you may not like the outcome of using science accurately.

Oh, and I'm assuming you simply prayed that the post of yours that I just quoted would appear on this bulletin board and that's how it got here, right?

Facts. I live by them, they guide my life. After all I am a "Born Again" Christian. That comes from thoughts and actions.

Oh and I hate to tell you this, but most war is started because people can't leave other people alone when it comes to their religious beliefs.

OK. But you aren't pretending the horrors brought to earth by secularism and especially "godless" secularism? Are you? You keep religionists in check and keep secularists in check too. I'm comfortable with a life lived in peace will spread the Gospel to the four corners of the globe.

No my li'l Christian friend, science isn't the problem, hatred and bigotry rooted in religion is.

These days, the hatred and bigotry and ignorance, wears a secular face far more often. Pal. And we are not friends. Just people typing on our keyboards posting on a website somewhere.

 

[Andreusz]

*Bump*

How do you propose this separation be achieved? Separate schools? A new secession?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

They (most) don't follow the Bible because they have no idea what the Bible says or what it represents. Ghandi witnessed the difference between the concept of Christianity and the people who allege Christianity.

Sounds very Jerry Falwell. To me. What an accurate perspective he had.

Just take a look at those who allege Christianity on the forum. Can you just feel the love of Jesus jumping out from their posts or do you instead see haughty arrogance and huge amounts of condemnation dished out toward others simply because they are 'different' to them?

You believe what you write? The standard atheist, liberal, progressive, gay, lesbian or common anti-Christian, denigrate Christians as easily as you have just done, all of the time. These people are not here seeking reasons to convert. They are seeking a pound of flesh in the time honored way.

The very thread topic 'Should Christians interact with Gays at all? smacks of everything Jesus spent much of His ministry condemning.

It's my thread and it would instantly do away with ALL of the strife between Christians and GLBT's, IF Christians would do as Jesus says and leave people alone that refuse the Gospel. Jesus wasn't a universalist. No matter how hard you try to repaint Him.

Forget about what supposed Christians would do in a given situation. The question should be What would Jesus do?

Well, we know what He taught about marriage being a man and a woman now don't "we?"

I think that interacting with Gays would be at the top of Jesus' list.

You think? How judgmental is that?

That would be after firstly taking down the gloating hypocrites a peg or two, of course.

You can ONLY do that BY using scripture correctly. Guess what happens then to celebrating gay activism? How about just a little accuracy huh?

 

[max1120]

First of all why do you have to chose between creationism and evolution. My belief is God used evolution as him means of creating the world and all of its life. Look closely at the book of Genisis and the order of creation is very similar to that found in evolution with man last. Are you familar with the Babylonian creation story? If you read the Babylonian creation story you will see it parallels that found in the book of Genisis. Tradition tought that Moses wrote the book of Genisis but many scholars today doubt that to be the case. Regardless of its origion it is striking how similar the stories found genisis is to the one found in Babylonia.

I think we need to stop trying to make homosexuals some special utlra sin. Its not! Homosexuals are not all a bunch of evil people lurking around corners to get you. They are from my experience dealing with then honest,friendly,hard working, tax paying, loving, contributing members of society, and they deserve to be left to enjoy their liberty, just like all of us! In fact the only difference I notice with the gays and lesbians I have know is they sleep with someone of their own sex. Thats it. I have friends who are gay and lesbian ...big deal they not evil.

Homosexuals should be accepted or rejected in society based upon the same objective standard applied to everyone of us..how do we treat others. If a man/woman treats me well and is willing to be my friend...I am willing to be theirs and that means not telling them who to sleep with and who not to sleep with..thats none of anyones business but theirs!

 

[geekgirlkelli]

The knowledge of good and evil.

Hmm, sounds familiar. I boycot perversions and celebrating moral deviance. Use science right and all is fine.



Yup. And every one treated by a Christian surgeon.



Hmm, you may not like the outcome of using science accurately.



Facts. I live by them, they guide my life. After all I am a "Born Again" Christian. That comes from thoughts and actions.



OK. But you aren't pretending the horrors brought to earth by secularism and especially "godless" secularism? Are you? You keep religionists in check and keep secularists in check too. I'm comfortable with a life lived in peace will spread the Gospel to the four corners of the globe.



These days, the hatred and bigotry and ignorance, wears a secular face far more often. Pal. And we are not friends. Just people typing on our keyboards posting on a website somewhere.

You really are funny, my li'l Christian buddy. First, you contradict yourself on the "using science correctly" thing. Nice backpeddle.

And please, do tell me how many Christians have been killed by atheists lately.