Should Christians interact with Gays at all?

[b&wpac4]

People having sex outside of marriage arent marching around demanding that I accept it teach it as ok to my kids and wouldnt be ever demanding in a church that they legitmize it.

Churches will never, ever be required to accept any marriage they don't want to. It's one of the fundamental aspects of this nation we live in, and something I would be dead set against.

They also don't have to demand it be taught to your kids. When I was in high school, just about a decade ago, sex before marriage was basically taught as ok, and told us just to wear a condom.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Churches will never, ever be required to accept any marriage they don't want to. It's one of the fundamental aspects of this nation we live in, and something I would be dead set against.

They also don't have to demand it be taught to your kids. When I was in high school, just about a decade ago, sex before marriage was basically taught as ok, and told us just to wear a condom.

Thats what they said in canada too when they were fighting for it there and now pastors have gone to jail for even speaking on it - people have been fined for refusing gay wedding photography and printing gay wedding invitations -there are tons of militant gays who chomp at the bit thinking they could sue a conservative pastor - so if you believe that really that they wouldnt try it - you arent being honest with yourself.
Also some schools are teaching homosexual lifestyle to gradeschoolers and teaching it as alternative lifestyles - gay marriage is not an ok thing to teach my child period and never will be.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

To be given legitimacy before everyone and be able to claim its equal and ok when it isnt. Most of us would like our particular flavor of sin legitmized before everyone rather than accepting we are sinners.

It has nothing to do with anyone thinking same sex relationships are "OK" or not. I don't think it's OK to cheat on your partner, be rude to someone working in customer service or walk past a homeless person without even acknowledging their existence. But I have no desire to make those things a legal matter, though I reserve the right to think badly of the millions of people that do these things on a daily basis and call them on it.

If you are going to equate sin and law then you either don't understand the basis of free society or you reject it. So what is it? Do you fail to understand why you're better off in the US than Saudi Arabia, or do you have a treacherous contempt for the Constitution?

 

[BigBadWlf]

And thats the bottom line isnt it - you want it to be marriage period - even though civil unions would give exactly what gays claim to want - the bottom line is exactly back to what i said in the begining (before all the "you cant do this " was proven false and shown errant) is that you want it to be called marriage simply to legitimize it and force everyone else to accept it.

Thank you for finally proving my point yourself even though you denied it before.

Yeah bigots and hate mongers tried that…they called it segregation.
Those blacks had just what they wanted. Their own schools, their own drinking fountains…they just wanted to force their own agenda onto good Christians

Recycling is a good thing. But recycling racism isn’t

 

[Angel4Truth]

Yeah bigots and hate mongers tried that…they called it segregation.
Those blacks had just what they wanted. Their own schools, their own drinking fountains…they just wanted to force their own agenda onto good Christians

Recycling is a good thing. But recycling racism isn’t

Let me save you some words - from this post forward you are on ignore so dont look for responses from me. I save my posts for people that i think can have a conversation without flames. Goodbye.

 

[b&wpac4]

Thats what they said in canada too when they were fighting for it there and now pastors have gone to jail for even speaking on it - people have been fined for refusing gay wedding photography and printing gay wedding invitations -there are tons of militant gays who chomp at the bit thinking they could sue a conservative pastor - so if you believe that really that they wouldnt try it - you arent being honest with yourself.ool

Also some schools are teaching homosexual lifestyle to gradeschoolers and teaching it as alternative lifestyles - gay marriage is not an ok thing to teach my child period and never will be.

I am being honest with myself here. The Supreme Court, in my estimation, would strike down any law that ordered Churches to recognize gay marriage if they didn't choose to. They have consistently upheld Churches not having to recognize any marriage they do not want to for years. That's heterosexual marriages, so to claim a sudden shift for no reason is a bit weird.

The separation of Church and state is to prevent the corruption of either from the other.

 

[mpok1519]

No matter what you all do or call what you do - christians will be calling homosexual sex sin. Period if they are being truthful about the word of God.

Discrimination is also a sin. Intolerance is not apart of forgiveness.

 

[gwenmead]

Yes -One is a union recognized by God and bound by God the other is a man made institution. A believer believes that marriage is holy and that God is part of it.

Okay. So it sounds as if, to you, "marriage" is largely a spiritual or religious designation, a union by/before god. Whereas a "civil union" is a man-made legal contract that does not involve god. Is that more or less correct? (Please correct or offer additional explanation here, if you feel I'm not quite getting it.)

Legal marriage (that is, the contract itself) currently grants a whole host of legal benefits and responsibilities to opposite-sex couples, in all 50 states, at the federal level. Would you object if the same benefits and responsibilities were granted to same-sex couples in all 50 states, federally, so long as such were not called "marriage"?

What I'm trying to grasp here is what you're objecting to, the legal status or the name or the definition or what. Not out of judgment, but I'm genuinely curious.

Asking me to go against my core beliefs is asking me to compromise myself before God who I answer to before mankind. I will never support as Godly that which is not. I will also not watch gays forcing clergy to marry them and compromise themelves before God and you better believe they would be forcing it.

When the day comes that same-sex couples are provided with the same legal rights and responsibilities currently afforded to opposite-sex couples via legal marriage (the legal contract, that is, not the religious status), if any legal entity forces churches to perform same-sex civil unions I will happily fight against such.

Nor do I think you need to call a same-sex union a "marriage", if it does not mesh with your religious sensibilities, or you feel it would be a personal offense to your god on your part for you to do so. On the matter of marriage or civil union or whatever one wishes to call it, I'm more concerned with the legal status, not the name of it.

But still trying to sort out thoughts and ideas on the matter, so if you're still willing to indulge me, I appreciate it very much. Thank you.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Thats what they said in canada too when they were fighting for it there and now pastors have gone to jail for even speaking on it -

That lie again?

Please provide a legitimate news source showing that a minister in Canada has been convicted and jailed for “speaking about homosexuality”

people have been fined for refusing gay wedding photography and printing gay wedding invitations

Just like if they had refused to serve an African American couple or a Jewish couple. The right to hate minorities ended when they opened for business. The courts agreed that claiming to be a Christian does not give anyone the right to be a bigot

-there are tons of militant gays who chomp at the bit thinking they could sue a conservative pastor - so if you believe that really that they wouldnt try it - you arent being honest with yourself.ool

Well if that minister is preaching that that nice lesbian couple’s children should be kidnapped and murdered. Or that his parishioners should set fire to the house of the gay couple next door…then he should be sued…actually he should be arrested

Also some schools are teaching homosexual lifestyle to gradeschoolers

Can you provide a legitimate news source showing this? or is it more false witness?

and teaching it as alternative lifestyles - gay marriage is not an ok thing to teach my child period and never will be.

Well teaching my children that hatred and bigotry are acceptable thins is something I don’t approve of and never will

 

[allhart]

Morality in humanity
http://www.leestrobel.com/videoserver/video.php?clip=CCNT2492

 

[Angel4Truth]

Discrimination is also a sin. Intolerance is not apart of forgiveness.

Nowhere do I see Jesus asking me to accept gay marriage in fact He says gays should remain celibate for the kingdom of heaven. Preaching Gods word isnt a sin - thank you though for this post proving gays demand and do exactly as i stated . Its not discrimination to state the word of God.

Do I forgive gays for their choice of sin? Sure do -i am a sinner too but i am not asking others to call my sins ok.

 

[Angel4Truth]

I am being honest with myself here. The Supreme Court, in my estimation, would strike down any law that ordered Churches to recognize gay marriage if they didn't choose to. They have consistently upheld Churches not having to recognize any marriage they do not want to for years. That's heterosexual marriages, so to claim a sudden shift for no reason is a bit weird.

The separation of Church and state is to prevent the corruption of either from the other.

No they wouldnt and you know it and im sure you know even from reading this thread alone - some would demand it be accepted. I will never support gay marriage ever.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Let me clue you in on something - constantly calling people bigot and hatefilled and racist because they legitmately do not believe in gay marriage hurts your side - it doesnt help you - think about it sometime. If anything it sends people to the polls because they are sick of it.

You seem upset at the comparison. I have to ask why?
You don’t seem to mind using the exact same arguments used by racist to justify their personal prejudices to justify your own personal prejudices

 

[Angel4Truth]

Okay. So it sounds as if, to you, "marriage" is largely a spiritual or religious designation, a union by/before god. Whereas a "civil union" is a man-made legal contract that does not involve god. Is that more or less correct? (Please correct or offer additional explanation here, if you feel I'm not quite getting it.)

Correct.

Legal marriage (that is, the contract itself) currently grants a whole host of legal benefits and responsibilities to opposite-sex couples, in all 50 states, at the federal level. Would you object if the same benefits and responsibilities were granted to same-sex couples in all 50 states, federally, so long as such were not called "marriage"?

No i wouldnt object -if I could be 100 percent certain that churches would not be forced to perform civil services and christian businesspeople would not be forced to partake in the "nuptuals" ie invitations - photography etc.. Churches forced to allow membership and recognize the gay unions and not be sued for discrimination if they preach against them ...etc.. thats most christians issue with it

What I'm trying to grasp here is what you're objecting to, the legal status or the name or the definition or what. Not out of judgment, but I'm genuinely curious.

I just explained above.

When the day comes that same-sex couples are provided with the same legal rights and responsibilities currently afforded to opposite-sex couples via legal marriage (the legal contract, that is, not the religious status), if any legal entity forces churches to perform same-sex civil unions I will happily fight against such.

Unfortunately though you might be in the minority. Examples are easily shown where gays have pushed that envelope as far as they can.

Nor do I think you need to call a same-sex union a "marriage", if it does not mesh with your religious sensibilities, or you feel it would be a personal offense to your god on your part for you to do so. On the matter of marriage or civil union or whatever one wishes to call it, I'm more concerned with the legal status, not the name of it.

Again then i believe on that you are in the minority.

But still trying to sort out thoughts and ideas on the matter, so if you're still willing to indulge me, I appreciate it very much. Thank you.

Anytime

 

[BigBadWlf]

No matter what you all do or call what you do - christians will be calling homosexual sex sin. Period if they are being truthful about the word of God.

Actually if they are honest they would not be

 

[mpok1519]

Nowhere do I see Jesus asking me to accept gay marriage in fact He says gays should remain celibate for the kingdom of heaven. Preaching Gods word isnt a sin - thank you though for this post proving gays demand and do exactly as i stated . Its not discrimination to state the word of God.

Do I forgive gays for their choice of sin? Sure do -i am a sinner too but i am not asking others to call my sins ok.

And discriminatory policies concerning gay marriage will not keep homosexuals celibate, and infact, will only fuel their cause further.

Its not like most homosexuals want the church to acknowledge their marriage; they want the STATE to acknowledge it, and since we have a separation of church and state, the state should listen to the will of the people, not the will of religion.

 

[Pliny the Elder]

No matter what you all do or call what you do - christians will be calling homosexual sex sin. Period if they are being truthful about the word of God.

And I could not care less what Christians think about anything and IMO Christianity is one of the worst things that has happened to culture.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Its not like most homosexuals want the church to acknowledge their marriage; they want the STATE to acknowledge it, and since we have a separation of church and state, the state should listen to the will of the people, not the will of religion.

The will of the people always trumps gay marriage - everywhere that votes on it - votes against it.

You want the will of people? Stop trying to force gay marriage on them.

 

[mpok1519]

heres the problem; right wingers simply want the word "marriage" to be exclusive to a man and a woman. I don't get what the big deal is. ITS JUST A WORD.

its not like a word can hurt you in your sleep like freddy kreuger...

 

[Angel4Truth]

And I could not care less what Christians think about anything and IMO Christianity is one of the worst things that has happened to culture.

Thank you for your concern - its posts like this and others supporting gay rights as being an in my face issue and its attacks on the church that assures i will always be there waiting in line at the polls. Believe it or not i could care less what happens in their bedrooms - its when they want it in my churches and schools and face that I am concerned about.