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No, Paul doesn't mention three heavens --- he mentions a third heaven --- there's a difference.Paul mentions 3 heavens.
Yes, literally it is.Not literally it isn't.
This isn't the thread for this, but I have a feeling you know. If I'm wrong (about you knowing), q.v. the Water Canopy Theory.And what happened to the waters above the firmament?
Did I not just go into detail about what the firmaments are? Did I even mention any of them being a "solid dome"?If you are interpreting the biblical cosmos literally, the firmament is a solid dome supporting the waters above.
Okay --- I'm sorry, Gluadys --- but I'm done wasting my time with this. If you have any new questions (meaning something I've addressed less than 10 times in the past two and a half years), feel free to ask.So your whole description of the heavens is a figurative one in which you take the literal firmament to be a symbol for a containment field.
Yes, I do --- I know my breakfast when I see it.Clearly, you have no idea who you're talking to.![]()
Apparently you don't read the Bible literally when it speaks of love and compassion.Yes, I do --- I know my breakfast when I see it.
Do I now?
Have you taken any? (I suspect you have.)
And if you have, and you can't tell when someone is allegorizing a literal passage, then I think I'll respectfully pass on your suggestion.
Can you explain what Hebrew Poetry is,
and why it doesn't rhyme?
Or give me one simple example of Contrasting Hebrew Poetry, and one simple example of Complimentary Hebrew Poetry? (I won't ask for a complex example.) If not, then please don't act like you know what I'm talking about.
Well --- sing a song of sixpence --- it appears I may have underestimated you somewhat.Sure.
Contrastive
A wise child makes a glad father/but a foolish child is a mother's grief.
Complimentary
The heavens are telling the glory of God/and the firmament proclaims his handiwork.
No, Paul doesn't mention three heavens --- he mentions a third heaven --- there's a difference.
Yes, literally it is.
This isn't the thread for this, but I have a feeling you know. If I'm wrong (about you knowing), q.v. the Water Canopy Theory.
Did I even mention any of them being a "solid dome"?
Just duck for a few posts, it'll all be over shortly ---I'm confused....still.
Just duck for a few posts, it'll all be over shortly ---![]()
Here's a quote from the Net:"containment field" is not the literal sense of "firmament". "atmosphere" is not the literal sense of "firmament". "Outer space" is not the literal sense of "firmament."
You should know that one doesn't build his theology on one word alone, but on two major premises: 1) the context of the passage, 2) comparing Scripture with Scripture and rightly dividing the Word of Truth.answers.com --- firmament said:The vault or expanse of the heavens; the sky.
Like I said, this isn't the place to discuss the Water Canopy Theory, or we're going to be here all night.The water canopy theory is not a literal interpretation of the biblical text either and it is contradicted by scripture.
Like I said, a firmament is a containment field --- anything else would eventually lead to error doctrine.Any other interpretation of "firmament" is not the literal meaning.
Here's a quote from the Net:You should know that one doesn't build his theology on one word alone, but on two major premises: 1) the context of the passage, 2) comparing Scripture with Scripture and rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
I'm not interested in what the Hebrews thought, nor am I interested in the Hebrew word used --- I'm a KJVO, and when one constructs a definition for a word, one must use the whole Bible, and not just parts of it, or it will result in error doctrine.
Like I said, a firmament is a containment field --- anything else would eventually lead to error doctrine.
I'm not interested in what the Hebrews thought, nor am I interested in the Hebrew word used --- I'm a KJVO
Heb 11:3 said:Through the KJV translators we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God
I am really sorry if our squabbling here has made it more difficult for you.
I think you would be better off asking your questions in the Theistic Evolution and Creationism subforums. The people in each of those two camps are of (more or less) like-mind, so you're less likely to get as much bickering there. And be sure to ask specific questions. "Are science and faith compatible?" is a good question, but it would require an entire book to answer in detail.It's not difficult but people keep derailing the thread...