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Jen

LEAVE YOUR HUSBAND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!!

If you continue to let your husband treat you like garbage and a door mat you will become one. You must save yourself or be destroyed!

Talk to all and any churches and tell them of your situation and see if one of them will help you with the basics living essentials. Try the social services, friends, family, anybody.

Quite worrying about every interpretations of the bible. Don’t you think that God does not want His daughter Jen treated like garbage and become an emotional cripple, a cripple that may not be able to take care of her children if she is destroyed? IMO God’s love for you and your children supersedes anyone’s interpretation about separation from an abusive husband.

My grandmother left my emotional damaging and drunken grandfather with her 5 young children in the 1930s depression era at a time when there were no social services or churches to help her. She was in her 30s, she did what she had to do to survive and dedicated her life to God for the next 50+ years. She remained single and became contented and grateful to God. All her 5 children are good people that are thankful that she left grandpa.

All the concern about divorce and the Bible can be addressed at another time. You have to take care of the number one priority right now and that is saving your self from emotional destruction that may become permanent.

I think that the bible is the Word of God and I am not addressing the issue of divorce right now. I am addressing the welfare of you and your children. If your husband seeks God in the future and wants to get right, God will be there for him, but you are not as strong as God and need to LEAVE!

Stan


PS I recommended to you the book “Love Must Be Tough” (By James Dobson) last year. Did you read it?
 
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6 Classes away from a degree? What is stopping you from obtaining your degree and getting a job? Your husband has the upper hand because he knows you have no other options. If you make more options available to yourself you will no longer feel trapped.

You say that God provides a way if it is in his will--but you've also got to do some work to help that plan to come to fruition. You can make your own path out of this mess and if the salvation of your marriage is in Gods hands maybe he will start working on your husband. God does not want us to be degraded, unappreciated, or abused by our spouses.
 
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It's been 17 1/2 years. I never dated anyone else. I met him when I was just turning 17 and married him as I was turning 21. I don't know if I'm going to be ok if I leave. What about my kids? How am I going to support them? We focused on his career, his education and put me on the back burner. I'm six classes away from a degree. I have no confidence, no self esteem. I can't even look at myself in the mirror. All I hear when I see myself is his criticisms, his judgments, how I'll never be good enough.

That's why there are things like spousal support and child support. The good thing (all things considered) is that he's a state employee - so you know he'll have to pay it. So it isn't like you'd be on your own in trying to figure out what to do - without any means of support.

Quite honestly - if I were you - since he refuses to leave when you ask him to and says "No, you leave" - go for it. Leave - file for divorce - and request spousal support and child support for the kids. If he can't afford the court mandated payments - they'll force him to sell the house (of which you're entitled to half of the proceeds). After that - you're most likely entitled to half of your marital possessions - a portion of his pension fund - spousal support - and child support.

Then go find a place you can afford - get a part time job - go back to school - finish your degree - and then take care of yourself.
 
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It sounds like he's lost interest in you ... because you've lost interest in yourself.

If I were you, i'd start to think about picking myself up, making myself important, and taking my own needs seriously.
How can someone else want to care for you if you dont want to care for yourself?

I say this with your best interests at heart and not vindictively at all...but if you want to get your marriage back on track then you need to believe in your own worth first!
 
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I have been reading the posts for awhile and I agree with Arhoab. If I could suggest a book for you to read it would be "Captivating." It may help you find yourself again. To me it sounds like you have lost yourself. Just because you leave your husband or not does not mean that you are going to find your self esteem again. I have been reading it so that I can understand my wife more. If it can open a mans eyes to a womens desires than it may be helpful to you.
 
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Jen

LEAVE YOUR HUSBAND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!!

If you continue to let your husband treat you like garbage and a door mat you will become one. You must save yourself or be destroyed!

Talk to all and any churches and tell them of your situation and see if one of them will help you with the basics living essentials. Try the social services, friends, family, anybody.

Quite worrying about every interpretations of the bible. Don’t you think that God does not want His daughter Jen treated like garbage and become an emotional cripple, a cripple that may not be able to take care of her children if she is destroyed? IMO God’s love for you and your children supersedes anyone’s interpretation about separation from an abusive husband.

My grandmother left my emotional damaging and drunken grandfather with her 5 young children in the 1930s depression era at a time when there were no social services or churches to help her. She was in her 30s, she did what she had to do to survive and dedicated her life to God for the next 50+ years. She remained single and became contented and grateful to God. All her 5 children are good people that are thankful that she left grandpa.

All the concern about divorce and the Bible can be addressed at another time. You have to take care of the number one priority right now and that is saving your self from emotional destruction that may become permanent.

I think that the bible is the Word of God and I am not addressing the issue of divorce right now. I am addressing the welfare of you and your children. If your husband seeks God in the future and wants to get right, God will be there for him, but you are not as strong as God and need to LEAVE!

Stan


PS I recommended to you the book “Love Must Be Tough” (By James Dobson) last year. Did you read it?

Regarding the book, no, but I probably should have.

I'm having such terrible nightmares...about my husband trying to kill me, eating my fingers, chasing me, another woman in my house, me in a circus balancing on a high wall next to a cliff wondering if it would really be so bad if I fell off.

In reality, my husband works so much that I barely see him. Our financial situation has become dire but God has been faithful to send more work my way.

I talked to God last night and I felt His presence so I know He hasn't left me. "Less thought, more action" appears to be the order of the day. But coming up with a plan and implementing it with confidence is another story.
I guess I thought that I was immune to personal tragedies, that God would protect me from...pain. I've become a shell of a person, fearing relationships with other human beings for fear that they might turn into something inappropriate or take time away from being a wife and mom. Now, I realize that I need to live. I need to work on myself, my body, my outlook, my dreams and pursue...something!...and that it's not selfish to do this as I've been taught. (I'll have to keep telling myself this is true before I can begin to believe it).

I have always wanted to go to Australia since I was about 10, maybe even stay there for awhile. That desire is stronger than ever. I've wanted to be a cosmetic dentist and that desire is stronger than ever.
Maybe I'm more "in tune" to hear about Australia lately but Melbourne keeps coming up. I don't know if I'm just wanting an escape or if I've romanticised a city or if I just need to go. Or...if I'm losing my mind.

My husband is, like I said, spending so much time at work but when he is at home, he's basically leaving me alone. I don't see any great change in his love or opinion of me. He's pitching in around the house and I can tell that he's nervous about the future.

I spoke to my sister and best friend and both say to make an effort daily to get closer to my husband. I don't know if I want that anymore. I can't trust him with my heart. I don't think I'm being unforgiving...I've just been hurt badly by the one person who is supposed to love me the most. He can't even see clearly what he's done to me...although he did admit that he's been mad at me for two years because the house is a mess. Imagine...rejecting your wife, making her feel like you don't love her, leading her to believe that your rejection is all in her head, befriending other women and flaunting those relationships in front of her, lying to her...all because your mad that the house is a mess! How shallow! How spiteful! I'd beg him to tell me what he expects of me, whether he expects me to cook, clean, take care of the kids, take care of myself, run a business and do the work all by myself, be a hostess to his family and friends, bring in half the household income, and meet his needs all at the same time and he said that's not what he expects. But wouldn't tell me what would please him.

I feel like I'm dead but my body is still here.

His parents are coming for the winter in about three weeks. I'm afraid they are going to try to influence the situation or gang up on me to "forgive and forget for the sake of the kids".


Would God really want me to leave my husband? Even if he has been horribly emotionally abusive to me for two years, is that what God would want me to do? Maybe it is...maybe my husband needs a wake up call. My husbands priorities in life are completely messed up. Maybe it's part of a plan to change my husbands behavior and priorities.

Who was the woman in the Bible...the mother of Ishmael, Hagar...she left because Sarah was treating her badly and an angel told her to go back to Abraham and to Sarah and to submit to her.

Is this me? Am I the one who is being silly and who needs to "forgive and forget"? Is a husband who doesn't love his wife anymore really sinning? Am I just property in God's eyes that is at the mercy of my husband?

I can't believe I'm this undecided and having so much trouble. A stronger me would've left the moment I found out he's been lying. What kind of message am I sending to him?...that he can treat me any way he wants and I won't go anywhere, there are no consequences.
 
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What were the vows that he took on your marriage day? Do you remember them?

Well, love, honor and cherish...for always and always...I'll have to get the wedding video out and see the exact vows.

I'm gonna do that...and see...I'll be back with exact vows shortly...

Well, I'm back and the wedding video is gone...hmmm....

I see your point though. He's broken his vows.

PS: In an effort to try to get him to love me again, about a year ago I sat next to him and recited my vows again and said, "I do" and then pretending to be the pastor, said, "Do you take Jennifer to be your lawfully wedded wife, to love, honor and cherish for always and always?" He said, "leave me alone, I'm trying to sleep". (a nap...not middle of the night)

It got so bad that I made a list of all the complaints he had against me and all the complaints I had against him and entitled it, "Intention to Divorce". I printed it out and signed it and asked him to sign it. He thought about it for awhile and then said he didn't want to sign it. So, I burned it and said "our sins" are forgiven. He said, "YOU burned it, I didn't"...I guess, meaning I've forgiven him but he hasn't forgiven me.
 
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I see your point though. He's broken his vows.

PS: In an effort to try to get him to love me again, about a year ago I sat next to him and recited my vows again and said, "I do" and then pretending to be the pastor, said, "Do you take Jennifer to be your lawfully wedded wife, to love, honor and cherish for always and always?" He said, "leave me alone, I'm trying to sleep". (a nap...not middle of the night)

It got so bad that I made a list of all the complaints he had against me and all the complaints I had against him and entitled it, "Intention to Divorce". I printed it out and signed it and asked him to sign it. He thought about it for awhile and then said he didn't want to sign it. So, I burned it and said "our sins" are forgiven. He said, "YOU burned it, I didn't"...I guess, meaning I've forgiven him but he hasn't forgiven me.

Well - doesn't really sound like you have a "marriage" then. :)

Would God really want me to leave my husband? Even if he has been horribly emotionally abusive to me for two years, is that what God would want me to do? Maybe it is...maybe my husband needs a wake up call. My husbands priorities in life are completely messed up. Maybe it's part of a plan to change my husbands behavior and priorities.

How successful was your mom at it - or did your dad just grow too old to cheat anymore - and - eventually just 'settled down' due to lack of any more good options?
 
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I can't believe I'm this undecided and having so much trouble. A stronger me would've left the moment I found out he's been lying. What kind of message am I sending to him?...that he can treat me any way he wants and I won't go anywhere, there are no consequences.

You already have the answer within you.
 
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We do have the answer within us...the trouble with co-dependant or people pleasing behaviour is that, we try and find an answer that makes the whole situation our fault...that's why you're looking to scripture that doesnt even fit your circumstance...to try and convince you to lay down and take more rubbish.
When you get to the bottom of your heart...you know the truth about the situation...and you even admitted it above....Don't look outside yourself for an answer that will only confuse you, be honest and go within...and you will know what to do.
Once you know and you put a plan INTO ACTION you watch things around you start to shift and change...Right now you're confirming this bad situation by accepting it.
 
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Well - doesn't really sound like you have a "marriage" then. :)

Yeah...he doesn't appear interested in even trying. He just wants to go to work.

How successful was your mom at it - or did your dad just grow too old to cheat anymore - and - eventually just 'settled down' due to lack of any more good options?

Her self esteem is gone. He's made a fool of her for years. If he gets mad, he takes it out on her...verbally.
I don't know why she stayed...maybe, not wanting to throw away what she's tried to keep together...maybe, fear of the unknown or not having the confidence to go it alone...

It was the typical thing that you always read about....a cycle of good times and bad times. He didn't care that he hurt her or us. Sure, he said he was sorry but you never really got the impression that he was sorry, nor did he stop. It wasn't until his "mistress" took him to court for child support that he seemed to wise up. They had to take a second mortgage on their house to pay the mistress. AND SHE STAYED through all of that.

Oh, Lord, please help me...I KNOW that I'll regret staying and letting him get away with how he's treated me. If I stay, the message to my kids is that a wife is a doormat, women are objects, husbands are selfish and they don't really love their wives. I don't know how many more years will pass, but he'll do it again...guaranteed....and then I'll be kicking myself for not having left the last time it happened.

He's not being a loving husband, even now. He barely speaks if he is around. He wants to keep the household going (like NOW we're a team) and forget everything that's happened. He's hoping that I just drop it and keep going as his wife. How can I just let it go? It was too much.
 
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We do have the answer within us...the trouble with co-dependant or people pleasing behaviour is that, we try and find an answer that makes the whole situation our fault...that's why you're looking to scripture that doesnt even fit your circumstance...to try and convince you to lay down and take more rubbish.
When you get to the bottom of your heart...you know the truth about the situation...and you even admitted it above....Don't look outside yourself for an answer that will only confuse you, be honest and go within...and you will know what to do.
Once you know and you put a plan INTO ACTION you watch things around you start to shift and change...Right now you're confirming this bad situation by accepting it.

You're absolutely right. If I had the money, I would've left the moment I found out he lied...without question. Instead, I have allowed myself to become dependent on someone who, as it turns out, doesn't love me anymore. The plan is to do whatever I can to hide away enough money to get away...hopefully before his parents arrive in 3 weeks.
I can't let this situation go on anymore. He's still smug..like "you're not going anywhere and we both know it".
 
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you can start laying boundaries right now, even before you get money together to leave...just by becoming an independant self assured woman...the kind he would be sorry to have missed out on...be her right where you are right now, you dont need to wait until you have got money to leave...even if that is what you are planning on doing, im not telling you to change your plan, rather bring your plan to be a stronger assertive you right now no matter where your situation finds you
 
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You're absolutely right. If I had the money, I would've left the moment I found out he lied...without question. Instead, I have allowed myself to become dependent on someone who, as it turns out, doesn't love me anymore. The plan is to do whatever I can to hide away enough money to get away...hopefully before his parents arrive in 3 weeks.
I can't let this situation go on anymore. He's still smug..like "you're not going anywhere and we both know it".

What are you going to run to? You remind me of a teenager wanting to get away to anywhere other than home because home is so bad. Then you get out and you're free to work harder and longer than you ever had before at a job you don't much care for to barely make ends meet. You will probably do this and pay for another person to spend time raising your child(ren) while you are working.

Your husband lied. Before you blindly run off you might want to pause and consider where you are running to, and if it is better than dealing with life where you are at.
 
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Jen's words
"Her self esteem is gone. He's made a fool of her for years
If I stay, the message to my kids is that a wife is a doormat,
I can't let this situation go on anymore."

Jen knows what to do. Lets pray that she has the courage to follow through.
What Jen has described in this thread is a woman who is being treated like a dish rag and may become one!
 
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Jen do not allow yourself to stay out of fear of what others say (AL)

Don't let someone tell you what is right for you. The bottom line is no one knows your sitution better than you do. No doubt you have spent countless hours in prayer for restoration and for your husbands chagned heart. What peopl (like AL) don't understand is that lying and doing the things your husband has done rips at the fabric of marriage. People with the view of a woman should stay for the sake of the children are probably the same types of people who use deception/manipulation/the Word of God to control/browbeat/manipulate/lie and use their spouse.
You know what is right and you know what you have done to work on your marriage or have not done to work on your marriage. You have to be right with you and God. You have to come to the understanding of what a marriage is and what it isn't. Setting boundries in your marriage is just like setting boundries with your children. If you don't then they know what they can get away with and will always push that line farther and farther back.
It's kind of difficult to take advice from someone who has not been there and has no clue about the dynamics of your marriage. Even I dont, and I feel like I am married to the same man you are.
I am continuing to pray for you and your situation that the Lord opens your husbands eyes before it is too late. And I am praying for you as well that you gain the wisdom to know and understand just what marriage should be.
 
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"Her self esteem is gone. He's made a fool of her for years
If I stay, the message to my kids is that a wife is a doormat,
I can't let this situation go on anymore."

Jen knows what to do. Lets pray that she has the courage to follow through.
What Jen has described in this thread is a woman who is being treated like a dish rag and may become one!

If she stays, won't her message be of unconditional love overcoming adversity? By leaving she is teaching her children, by her actions, that marriage relationships are disposable.

My aunt is married to a guy who most people know most women would have left long ago. By staying with him she has not been a door mat. She could leave any time if she chose to. She's an RN so its not like she needs him for food and shelter. She accepts him as he is and makes the best of it. Her children are grown now and they all went to college and they all come home for Christmas. They love both their parents but I think they know without a doubt who the stronger parent is. When problems come our way it is by dealing with them that we grow and learn as a person. When trouble came, can you imagine how the New Testament would look if Jesus ran away? How do you want your story to look?
 
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You see, this is exactly what is going to happen. People will think I'm running away and throwing away my marriage, selfish, not thinking about my kids.

I am not the one who decided that other women and his job are more important than his family and household. The man doesn't love me anymore and has made it very clear by his actions and words that I'm nothing. Even though I have tried and tried to get him to open up to me, to talk to me, to be romantic and full of heart, he has repeatedly come back with put-downs and "I'm too busy" and lies and dirty looks. He has done everything he can possibly do to ruin our relationship except walk out the door.

Even if he didn't physically leave me, he abandoned me two years ago. He has told me to leave at least three times. He's been telling me that his behavior is all in my head and that I'm crazy. Even when I caught him in a lie, and conspiring with other women to lie to me, he still sticks to his smug attitude (like I'm nothing), and tells me I'm crazy.

My 5 year old son tells me to do this and do that for him like he expects me to wait on him hand and foot. He treats me like I'm only here to meet his needs and like my opinions/decisions are not final or good enough. He doesn't exhibit any understanding that he should behave like a gentleman and have a proper view of women. This is a direct result of watching Daddy walk all over Mommy for two years and Mommy putting up with it.

I have very little respect for my mom as a woman. (She has my respect as my mom, of course). She wasn't strong. She was weak and let a guy walk all over her, make a fool of her. He had two kids with another woman 10 years apart. TEN YEARS APART! It wasn't a short-lived affair...it went on for at least a decade. She hid it from her family because she didn't want anyone to think badly of him. He treated her the same way my husband is now treating me. Hey, but at least they can say they've been married for 40+ years.

This situation didn't happen "all of a sudden". It is a pattern of behavior that has escalated to what it is today. I've just stayed, thinking, oh well we can get through this. And then it happens again a few years later.

Even my sister's advice is to try to get really close to him emotionally so that he won't even think of hurting me like this again. I really don't think it would matter. I don't want to live my life manipulating my husband into "loving" me. And I don't want to turn a blind eye to his wayward behavior. I want to be secure, knowing that my husband loves me. My life's experience has been watching my Dad behave badly and now my husband is on the same road. I have no examples in my life of what a marriage is supposed to be. I have had no man in my life who wanted to be the head of a household and actually love his family...like we're a team...his own MVP's. Both men prefer to work and consort with other women. Both men see women as objects and someone to wait on them. I don't want to be his slave anymore. I'm left wondering if love is real and if it lasts.

So, am I really being selfish? Should I stay in this situation and continue to endure this? Am I really just running away or am I taking a stand?

PS: Let's not forget that I'm the one who's been reaching out and yelling "help" for nearly two years now. I'm the one who's become so perplexed that all I can do is tell God, "Lord, I don't know what to do, please help me. You're the only one who can fix this situation". I'm the one who finally got enough courage to ask God to show me if my husband has been cheating or lying to me. And the next morning when I woke up, I'm the one whom God told, "Yes, he is lying to you and here's where to look".

My husband is the one who tells me that he was praying too...while he was lying to me, before he admitted he was lying...for direction from the Lord. Now, tell me, who did God honor in this situation?

My husband is not born again. I am born again. I will not cheat on my husband and I will not lie to him. My husband has abandoned me. God is my husband now and I will listen to His voice.
 
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