why NOT to vote for mccain

[RobinRedbreast]

Ya, but there have been practically millions of threads about the election. Why do we need another one?

Not only that (which is true!) but "civil discussions" don't start with a biased thread.

Unbiased: Let's talk politics
Biased: Obama is a jerk

One is right, the other is NOT haha. By the way, I have nothing against Obama, or McCain, I'm Canadian

 

[Beautiful Fireball]

Not only that (which is true!) but "civil discussions" don't start with a biased thread.

Unbiased: Let's talk politics
Biased: Obama is a jerk

One is right, the other is NOT haha. By the way, I have nothing against Obama, or McCain, I'm Canadian

Exactly!

And right about now I wish I was Canadian.

 

[seremela06]

Ya, but there have been practically millions of threads about the election. Why do we need another one?

why not? you know, in the time people have spent talking about how horrible a thread about the election or abortion is and how we should have cookies, we could have made some good points for either side.

 

[HeatherJay]

why not? you know, in the time people have spent talking about how horrible a thread about the election or abortion is and how we should have cookies, we could have made some good points for either side.

It's not allowed...it's against the rules...and people WILL be hurt by it.

But if you insist upon it...

 

[Beautiful Fireball]

why not? you know, in the time people have spent talking about how horrible a thread about the election or abortion is and how we should have cookies, we could have made some good points for either side.

You wouldn't have allowed points to be made from the other side and been kind about it. One poster said she voted for McCain and you jumped on her immediately asking how she could possibly do such a thing. Doesn't sound like it would be a civilized discussion.

And again, this topic has been gone over MANY times. If you want to see a discussion on it then go digging for the political threads we already have here.

 

[RobinRedbreast]

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[lovesdolphins]

ok - why not to vote Obama.

Jobs are going to be lost b/c of higher taxes
Obama is going to try to take away guns and ammo from law abiding people (ever hear of the 2nd Admendment)
Even his own VP nom. is saying that if Obama is elected that the USA will be under greater fear from attack.

 

[seremela06]

It's not allowed...it's against the rules...and people WILL be hurt by it.

But if you insist upon it...

i honestly did not know that it was not allowed in this thread, so that was a mistake on my part. i don't see why it wouldn't be allowed since this is a women's thread and it is obviously a woman's problem.

 

[seremela06]

ok - why not to vote Obama.

Jobs are going to be lost b/c of higher taxes
Obama is going to try to take away guns and ammo from law abiding people (ever hear of the 2nd Admendment)
Even his own VP nom. is saying that if Obama is elected that the USA will be under greater fear from attack.

i'm not really sure why you think taxes are going to be higher. obama plans to lower taxes on everyone not making over $250,000 per year. yes, he will be raising taxes on most businesses, but in my opinion, it has to be done. we are on the verge of another depression. i believe that without raising taxes, at least for a while, we will not be able to get out of the spot we've gotten ourselves into.

 

[seremela06]

ok - why not to vote Obama.

Jobs are going to be lost b/c of higher taxes
Obama is going to try to take away guns and ammo from law abiding people (ever hear of the 2nd Admendment)
Even his own VP nom. is saying that if Obama is elected that the USA will be under greater fear from attack.

in response to obama taking away guns:

Q: You said recently, "I have no intention of taking away folks' guns." But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you've said that it's constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?

A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it's important for us to recognize that we've got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people's traditions.

 

[lovesdolphins]

i'm not really sure why you think taxes are going to be higher. obama plans to lower taxes on everyone not making over $250,000 per year. yes, he will be raising taxes on most businesses, but in my opinion, it has to be done. we are on the verge of another depression. i believe that without raising taxes, at least for a while, we will not be able to get out of the spot we've gotten ourselves into.

You truly believe that companies are just going to eat the added expense of the extra taxes? If you do, that's great.

I have ZERO faith in CEOs to take that hit personally rather than passing it down to the goods/services that they offer, laying off people, etc. Taxes are just an added expense and they will do whatever necessary to keep their profit margins up, and that does not include taking less in their personal paychecks every month.

 

[lovesdolphins]

in response to obama taking away guns:

We don't need more gun control laws... there are TONS of them already on the books. Any more laws are just going to hurt those that are law abiding. The people that get them illegally still will, no matter what the laws are.

I do agree that there is a problem with people having guns illegally but more laws won't fix that... cops will.

 

[seremela06]

We don't need more gun control laws... there are TONS of them already on the books. Any more laws are just going to hurt those that are law abiding. The people that get them illegally still will, no matter what the laws are.

I do agree that there is a problem with people having guns illegally but more laws won't fix that... cops will.

and obviously those tactics are working well... except in places like alaska where there are no real gun control laws. just about anyone can own a gun and carry it concealed or unconcealed. we need more gun control laws. in my part of the country, at least.

 

[seremela06]

You truly believe that companies are just going to eat the added expense of the extra taxes? If you do, that's great.

I have ZERO faith in CEOs to take that hit personally rather than passing it down to the goods/services that they offer, laying off people, etc. Taxes are just an added expense and they will do whatever necessary to keep their profit margins up, and that does not include taking less in their personal paychecks every month.

no, i don't. but again, how else do you think we're going to get out of this deficit? the price of goods will increase. that's expected. and some people may get laid off. but the good news is, obama proposes to create many new jobs.

 

[katautumn]

Any more laws are just going to hurt those that are law abiding.

The problem is the mass hysteria among those with an unhealthy love for firearms (not to be confused with the person who owns one handgun for protection) that the slightest rumor of any sort of gun control legislation turns them from law-abiding citizens to rogues. My husband went to a gun show a few weeks ago with my cousin to help him select a handgun he could keep in his car. He overheard some vendors talking about how they needed to stockpile the firearms and ammunition and make sure they evade the laws by not registering their weapons, just in case Obama was elected. That way, they figured, the government would have no way of tracking their guns.

While I wouldn't want to see the 2nd Amendment abolished, I question why any person would cling so tightly to their guns that you would be willing to break the law in order to possess one.

 

[seremela06]

The problem is the mass hysteria among those with an unhealthy love for firearms (not to be confused with the person who owns one handgun for protection) that the slightest rumor of any sort of gun control legislation turns them from law-abiding citizens to rogues. My husband went to a gun show a few weeks ago with my cousin to help him select a handgun he could keep in his car. He overheard some vendors talking about how they needed to stockpile the firearms and ammunition and make sure they evade the laws by not registering their weapons, just in case Obama was elected. That way, they figured, the government would have no way of tracking their guns.

While I wouldn't want to see the 2nd Amendment abolished, I question why any person would cling so tightly to their guns that you would be willing to break the law in order to possess one.

that is a very disturbing story... i would have to agree with you on this one.

 

[christianmomma]

i'm not really sure why you think taxes are going to be higher. obama plans to lower taxes on everyone not making over $250,000 per year. yes, he will be raising taxes on most businesses, but in my opinion, it has to be done. we are on the verge of another depression. i believe that without raising taxes, at least for a while, we will not be able to get out of the spot we've gotten ourselves into.

You do realize that grossing $250k is not a lot of money for a small business right? That's not money the owner actually pockets, there are tons of expenses and TONS of taxes already for small businesses. I should know, dh is self-employed and the SE tax kills us every year.

Oh, and I already voted for McCain, so like lovesdolphins said, Too late.

 

[christianmomma]

The problem is the mass hysteria among those with an unhealthy love for firearms (not to be confused with the person who owns one handgun for protection) that the slightest rumor of any sort of gun control legislation turns them from law-abiding citizens to rogues. My husband went to a gun show a few weeks ago with my cousin to help him select a handgun he could keep in his car. He overheard some vendors talking about how they needed to stockpile the firearms and ammunition and make sure they evade the laws by not registering their weapons, just in case Obama was elected. That way, they figured, the government would have no way of tracking their guns.

While I wouldn't want to see the 2nd Amendment abolished, I question why any person would cling so tightly to their guns that you would be willing to break the law in order to possess one.

My guess would be that they are not trying to "evade" registering their guns. DH went out and bought a rifle that he has been wanting for a while because he's afraid that they will not be able to be produced AFTER Obama takes office. Obama can place a ban on producing certain firearms but cannot force people to give up ones bought predating the ban.
They are probably also stocking up on ammo for the same reason.

 

[seremela06]

You do realize that grossing $250k is not a lot of money for a small business right? That's not money the owner actually pockets, there are tons of expenses and TONS of taxes already for small businesses. I should know, dh is self-employed and the SE tax kills us every year.

Oh, and I already voted for McCain, so like lovesdolphins said, Too late.

correct. that is why i said taxes will increase for "most businesses"

 

[christianmomma]

correct. that is why i said taxes will increase for "most businesses"

Never mind, it's not worth it.