Is Everybody going to heaven?

[Floatingaxe]

That may very well be, but I'd rather save that judgement for God. I lived false doctrine while I was growing up and I KNOW that I was still saved...so there is hope for them, even if it is false doctrine.

I just find it interesting that some of what they are claiming can actually be backed by scripture! I also find the aion thing interesting also, since I was brought up using the concordance and finding the correct translation for lots of things. If aion, is in fact the correct translation (and I'm not saying it is) then that would put a whole new slant on a lot of the scriptures in revelation that referr to 'eternity'.

Now having said all that, that's not to say that I believe it...I don't know until I, myself, have examined these things. I've learned a long time ago to never EVER rely on man's interpretation of the word. It would be so easy to dismiss their claims and call them liars based on the teachings that I have received all my life...but I've done that before and been proven a fool for doing so. So I don't do that anymore!

Instead I will listen and examine it myself and refrain from making judgements until I am certain that, what they are claiming, is false doctrine. Meanwhile I lean more towards the calvinist side a tad anyway, but that's not definete either.

All I know is that if I believe in Jesus then I will be saved....and I know that for certain, and if I hold onto that, then I can't go wrong. What God plans are for the dead or whatever make no never minds to the fact that one MUST believe in Christ to go to heaven. What God has planned will be no matter what we believe.

There is a line one crosses when one denies what God says about Himself. In effect, it turns who they believe God to be as nothing more than an idol, another god.

Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit say they only speak what they hear from the Father. UR teaches something other. If people are teaching a false god, then that negates everything.

It is vital to follow the Word--all of it, and not just the "nice' parts.

 

[brinny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teLvofaVeEA&feature=user

 

[Floatingaxe]

Ok I'm just a tad confused here. As far as I'm aware the wheat and the tares parable isn't about a particular time...it's about us and the end of the world. So the fact that God sowed the wheat and the enemy sowed the tares..that leads me to the conclusion that the wheat (all of the wheat) belong to God and the tares belong to the evil one. Then at harvest time, they are both reaped, but the wheat is kept and the tares are destroyed. end parable. I don't see a second chance for the tares here since they are burned up in the fire and are just ash now.

That is exactly right.

 

[HEisGoodalways]

That is exactly right.

Is it a literal fire?

 

[Leah]

Everyone is going to heaven. But not everyone will get to stay. From what I read for myself, the book of Revelation makes that clear.

 

[Floatingaxe]

When people are being tormented in eternal damnation, do you beleive it will be a literal fire like the fireplace?

God tells us what it is, Sodom and Gomorrah had a taste of it.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Everyone is going to heaven. But not everyone will get to stay. From what I read for myself, the book of Revelation makes that clear.

Please give Scriptural proof that all go to heaven, and also that some have to leave.

The Book of revelation doesn't say that anywhere.

 

[Cassidy]

Is it a literal fire?

Well, in that particular parable it is highlighted what is and what isn't literal...so...

38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

So if it wasn't a literal fire I think Christ would have mentioned that it wasn't a literal fire since he mentioned everything else.

 

[HEisGoodalways]

God tells us what it is, Sodom and Gomorrah had a taste of it.

So when they go to the white throne will they be in a natural or a spiritual body to be thrown in?

 

[Cassidy]

God tells us what it is, Sodom and Gomorrah had a taste of it.

Well in some cases like being filled with the Holy Ghost and fire...fire isn't literal so I think that's what is being asked here.

Is that particular fire, in Revelation about torment etc etc literal? Or is it like as in 'Holy Ghost and Fire'...spiritual?

 

[HEisGoodalways]

Well, in that particular parable it is highlighted what is and what isn't literal...so...

38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

So if it wasn't a literal fire I think Christ would have mentioned that it wasn't a literal fire since he mentioned everything else.

As always, in His parables and Revelation, there is spritual meaning behind the symbols

It's the same spiritual fire that we go thru now when we go thru our fiery trials and we get to the next glory in Him, the result of the spiritual fire at the GTW and lake of fire will end up them bowing there knee and entering in to glory, but no reward, 1cor 3

 

[Leah]

Please give Scriptural proof that all go to heaven, and also that some have to leave.

The Book of revelation doesn't say that anywhere.

Revelation 20:11-15.

 

[Cassidy]

As always, in His parables and Revelation, there is spritual meaning behind the symbols

It's the same spiritual fire that we go thru now when we go thru our fiery trials and we get to the next glory in Him, the result of the spiritual fire at the GTW and lake of fire will end up them bowing there knee and entering in to glory, but no reward, 1cor 3

But in this case, he specifically mentions what is and what isn't literal so why did he leave out the 'fire'?

 

[Floatingaxe]

So when they go to the white throne will they be in a natural or a spiritual body to be thrown in?

Everyone is raised to life with a glorified flesh body. Without one, one could not withstand the presence of God. The Lake of Fire is a physical fire which has an unquenchable nature, and so do the glorified spiritual bodies that are thrown in.

 

[Leah]

Revelation 20:11 does say that present earth and heaven will be no more. But then look: the Great White Throne Judgement. The books will be opened and those who's names aren't written in the Lamb's book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. The reason they're even in that judgement is because they rejected Christ as Lord and Savior all their lives.

However, 21:1 says that a new heaven and a new earth will be created, for the first things will have passed away.

So, where's the judgement going to take place, then????

 

[Floatingaxe]

Well in some cases like being filled with the Holy Ghost and fire...fire isn't literal so I think that's what is being asked here.

Is that particular fire, in Revelation about torment etc etc literal? Or is it like as in 'Holy Ghost and Fire'...spiritual?

God tells us as I said---Brimstone, or burning sulfur such as what fell from heaven upon Sodom, Gomorrah and the cities of the plain, such as is not found anywhere else on this earth.

An interesting read and video:
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/sodom_&_gomorrah.htm

 

[HEisGoodalways]

But in this case, he specifically mentions what is and what isn't literal so why did he leave out the 'fire'?

39 says burned in the fire

 

[Floatingaxe]

Revelation 20:11 does say that present earth and heaven will be no more. But then look: the Great White Throne Judgement. The books will be opened and those who's names aren't written in the Lamb's book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. The reason they're even in that judgement is because they rejected Christ as Lord and Savior all their lives.

However, 21:1 says that a new heaven and a new earth will be created, for the first things will have passed away.

So, where's the judgement going to take place, then????

Hi, Imana!

Revelation 20:11-15

The Final Judgment

And I saw a great white throne and the one sitting on it. The earth and sky fled from his presence, but they found no place to hide. I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books. The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds. Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death. And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.


The throne of God is not in heaven, nor earth at that point. The wicked are not given access to the holy city of God--ever.


Revelation 21:1-2
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone. 2 And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.


Hallelujah! The dirty job is done and now the party begins!!

 

[HEisGoodalways]

Everyone is raised to life with a glorified flesh body. Without one, one could not withstand the presence of God. The Lake of Fire is a physical fire which has an unquenchable nature, and so do the glorified spiritual bodies that are thrown in.

Its a spiritual body and spiritual fire

 

[Leah]

Hi, Imana!
The throne of God is not in heaven, nor earth at that point. The wicked are not given access to the holy city of God--ever.

You know, that's true. Revelation 21:27 says that.

So when the wicked die (physically), they immediately go to hell? And then later face God at the Judgement mentioned in Revelation 20:15?

But I'm also looking at the OP question rather than the polll: "will everyone go to heaven?" So that must include the righteous and the wicked in that question??