Should Christians oppose gay civil marriage?

[Andreusz]

To Olliefranz,
You keep arguing about gay marriage, first you need to argue why you think there is such a thing.

Do you believe in Belgium? The Netherlands? Spain? Norway? Canada? South Africa? Massachusetts? California? Or do you think all these places are legendary, like Narnia and Oz?

 

[Andreusz]

To Polycarp1,
Yes but whatever you personally think about sharing feelings and union, the Bible refers to marriage between man a woman as God created woman for man.
Ie Gen 2, Matt 19, Eph 5, 1 Cor 7 etc. So your view is not in line with what God has created and ordained. This is why I am objecting to the use of the concept ‘gay’ or ‘same sex’ marriage. Biblically there is no such thing, its only a concept held by humans.

But there is a world beyond the Bible, which is what this thread is about.

 

[brightmorningstar]

To Andreusz,
I believe those nations exist, I have been to some of them, but I dont have faith in them that what they do and say is always right.
[/quote] But there is a world beyond the Bible, which is what this thread is about.[/quote] And Christians are in it and we have faith in God through Jesus Christ who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords over all the nations and has all authority in heaven and on earth. The thread is not about the world beyond the word of God, but it is essentially a Christian forum where Christian views wil be expressed.

 

[jbm611973]

Yes , of course Christians should oppose same sex marriages. God ordained marriage between a man and a woman, period. No where in God's word is it stated any different. I don't want my grandchildren to think that this is normal behavior when it's not....This is a big step in the break down of the traditional family. Satan's plan of action is to divide and conquor and he's doing a good job.

 

[Markus6]

Yes , of course Christians should oppose same sex marriages. God ordained marriage between a man and a woman, period. No where in God's word is it stated any different. I don't want my grandchildren to think that this is normal behavior when it's not....This is a big step in the break down of the traditional family. Satan's plan of action is to divide and conquor and he's doing a good job.

God also ordained marriage to be until death and yet we still allow divorce, not just in the secular state but in the church.

 

[Dogbean]

God also ordained marriage to be until death and yet we still allow divorce, not just in the secular state but in the church.

There are cases where divorce is Biblical, but they are few and far between. Not all divorce is unbiblical, but most is.

 

[Markus6]

There are cases where divorce is Biblical, but they are few and far between. Not all divorce is unbiblical, but most is.

My point is most of the marriages in the state aren't going on according to God's plan. There is divorce, adultery, pre-marital promiscuous sex etc. It seems strange to me to say we can't allow civil gay marriage because it isn't God's plan when most marriage already isn't and we're not try to introduce legislation to stop it.

 

[Andreusz]

My point is most of the marriages in the state aren't going on according to God's plan. There is divorce, adultery, pre-marital promiscuous sex etc. It seems strange to me to say we can't allow civil gay marriage because it isn't God's plan when most marriage already isn't and we're not try to introduce legislation to stop it.

Exactly.

 

[Dogbean]

My point is most of the marriages in the state aren't going on according to God's plan. There is divorce, adultery, pre-marital promiscuous sex etc. It seems strange to me to say we can't allow civil gay marriage because it isn't God's plan when most marriage already isn't and we're not try to introduce legislation to stop it.

So we should allow it just because there's all this other sin going on? That makes it ok?

 

[Markus6]

So we should allow it just because there's all this other sin going on? That makes it ok?

"We"? I don't think it's for Christians to legislate morality. We can't help people by just making sin illegal. Jesus is the only thing that will help. The only effect I can see of civil gay marriage is encouraging homosexual couples to be monogamous which I think is a good thing. It's not going to turn anyone gay or somehow destroy hetrosexual marriages.

 

[Dogbean]

"We"? I don't think it's for Christians to legislate morality. We can't help people by just making sin illegal. Jesus is the only thing that will help. The only effect I can see of civil gay marriage is encouraging homosexual couples to be monogamous which I think is a good thing. It's not going to turn anyone gay or somehow destroy hetrosexual marriages.

Well we have "government by the people, of the people, for the people" so in a sense, we all have a part in governing. And seeing that homosexuality is unbiblical, I cannot in good conscience support legislation that endorses it.

 

[*Starlight*]

Well we have "government by the people, of the people, for the people" so in a sense, we all have a part in governing. And seeing that homosexuality is unbiblical, I cannot in good conscience support legislation that endorses it.

I guess that not being a Christian can also be seen as "unbiblical". So why aren't you and other conservative Christians voting to outlaw other religions?

 

[pgp_protector]

Yes , of course Christians should oppose same sex marriages. God ordained marriage between a man and a woman, period. No where in God's word is it stated any different. I don't want my grandchildren to think that this is normal behavior when it's not....This is a big step in the break down of the traditional family. Satan's plan of action is to divide and conquor and he's doing a good job.

Do you mind your children thinking that worshiping other gods is ok ?
Do you mind your children thinking that divorce & remarriage is ok ?

If no, are you willing to enact laws to prevent the above ?

 

[Dogbean]

I guess that not being a Christian can also be seen as "unbiblical". So why aren't you and other conservative Christians voting to outlaw other religions?

The Constitution forbids it. And I don't believe that's the best way to get Christ's message across.

 

[*Starlight*]

The Constitution forbids it. And I don't believe that's the best way to get Christ's message across.

So... "it's against the Bible" is a good reason to ban homosexual marriage, but not a good reason to ban other religions? That's a very selective way to look at the Bible...

 

[Dogbean]

So... "it's against the Bible" is a good reason to ban homosexual marriage, but not a good reason to ban other religions? That's a very selective way to look at the Bible...

I suppose I look at it that way because legislation outlawing other religions would never come to a vote in the US. There is a very real possibility that a Constitutional amendment would come to a vote, defining marriage as between one man and one woman.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Well, you used research, but the act of using research does not mean the research is not bunk. The research was a real stretch. Anyone can spew research, facts, and figures and sound like they know what they are talking about.

you cannot and do not counter the research presented with actual research showing different conclusions
You do not present information showing the research presented is faulty
You do not present information showing the research presented is outdated
You do not present information showing the research presented is fraudulent

You just complain that you shouldn’t have to accept facts that you don’t like

 

[BigBadWlf]

I think creation speaks to us. God's design for sex is obvious. God's design for a family is obvious.

This is a logical fallacy, specifically it is an argument from ignorance.

You declare something is obvious then declare that your unrelated premise must be true.

It’s obvious that the Sun passes overhead – therefore the Earth is the center of the solar system

Science has spoken (that graphic article that shows the fragility of the anus),

What article? Do you mean the debunked article by Dr. Diggs?

the rampant spread of AIDS among gays in the 80s and 90s, I think all this stuff, added together with how it's worded in the Bible makes a good case for homosexual sex being wrong....I dunno,

well the majority of individuals with HIV/AIDS even in the North America (42% of all cases are among African American women) and worldwide the incidence among non-whites is over 98% (Ref World Health Organization).

So by your reasoning God must not like black people very much and racism must be perfectly acceptable

Or are you saying that what you are presenting here is not applicable to all minorities?

nothing can convince me otherwise,

apparently that includes the truth

 

[BigBadWlf]

Yes , of course Christians should oppose same sex marriages. God ordained marriage between a man and a woman, period. No where in God's word is it stated any different.

Except all the places God ordained polygamy…

I don't want my grandchildren to think that this is normal behavior when it's not....

I don’t want my children thinking prejudice and discrimination are acceptable

This is a big step in the break down of the traditional family. Satan's plan of action is to divide and conquor and he's doing a good job.

Can you explain how the formation of and the legal recognition of families is damaging to families?

 

[BigBadWlf]

Well we have "government by the people, of the people, for the people" so in a sense, we all have a part in governing. And seeing that homosexuality is unbiblical, I cannot in good conscience support legislation that endorses it.

And we have a government where all people are supposed to be equal, not just the people you choose to like