The Scriptures in a Nutshell

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The Torah IS the “Marriage Covenant.” If one rejects the Torah, then they reject the “marriage” and ultimately reject the Groom: Yeshua.

When God re-established the Torah with the children of Israel on Mount Sinai, He stated:

Deuteronomy 30:15-16: Look! I am presenting you today with, on the one hand, life and good; and on the other, death and evil – in that I am ordering you today to love Adonai your God, to follow His way, and to obey His mitzvot (commandments), regulations and rulings; for if you do, you will live and increase your numbers; and Adonai your God will bless you in the land you are entering in order to take possession of it.

Right there, those are our choices. That is our “free will:” to choose “life and good” by following His commandments, or “death and evil” by disobeying His commandments.

The nation of Israel chose to disobey His commandments, and were therefore “unfaithful to the Marriage Covenant.” Israel became an adulteress for its refusal to be faithful. This is why God described Israel as an “adulteress:” she was unfaithful to the “Marriage Covenant.”

In Jeremiah 31:32, God says that He was “a husband unto them:”

Jeremiah 31:32: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD

Throughout the scriptures, God always refers to the disobedient people as “prostitutes,” “harlots,” and “adulteresses:”

Isaiah 1:21: How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.

Isaiah 57:3: But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the harlot.

Jeremiah 3:6: The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen [that] which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.

Ezekiel 13:6, 8: Thou hast played the harlot also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied.

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And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

It is this same imagery that John is drawing on in the Book of Revelation when he describes “Babylon the Harlot:”

Revelation 17:5: And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

The harlot is the “church” because there is no church. There is only the nation of Israel who was scattered among the Gentiles -- and Israel has been just as disobedient to the Torah for the past 2000 years following Yeshua’s death as she was for the previous 2000 years before His birth. All of us make up the "congregation of Israel." That's why the apostles used the word "ekklesia" to refer to the "congregation" -- because it had always been used to denote the "congregation of Israel" in the Septuagint, which was the popular "bible" among the Gentile believers of their day.

As it is written: “The Lord is a "jealous God:"

Exd 20:5: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me

Jealous for whom? Jealous for His bride. That’s why He uses the word “jealous” in the first place.

Notice what else he says in that verse: “of them that hate me.” Yeshua said that if we love Him, we will keep His commandments -- His Torah, and the verse above tells us that those who do not obey His commandments *hate* Him.

Hosea 1:2: The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, [departing] from the LORD.

God tells Hosea to take a harlot for a wife. She represented Israel, who had become a adulteress -- she was unfaithful to her marriage covenant.

Hosea 1:6: And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And [God] said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.

Because Israel had been an unfaithful bride, God declared that He would divorce her and have no more mercy for her. He would scatter the Israelites among the nations.

Hosea 1:9: Then said [God], Call his name Loammi: for ye [are] not my people, and I will not be your [God].

God said that they would no longer be His people, and He would no longer be their God.

Hosea 1:10-11: Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people, [there] it shall be said unto them, [Ye are] the sons of the living God. Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great [shall be] the day of Jezreel.

But God promised that the House of Israel and the House of Judah would again be re-united. He would gather back and restore the family:

Ezekiel 37:15-23: The word of the LORD came to me: "Son of man, take a stick of wood and write on it, 'Belonging to Judah and the Israelites associated with him.' Then take another stick of wood, and write on it, 'Ephraim's stick, belonging to Joseph and all the house of Israel associated with him.' Join them together into one stick so that they will become one in your hand.

"When your countrymen ask you, 'Won't you tell us what you mean by this?' say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am going to take the stick of Joseph-which is in Ephraim's hand-and of the Israelite tribes associated with him, and join it to Judah's stick, making them a single stick of wood, and they will become one in my hand.' Hold before their eyes the sticks you have written on and say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms. They will no longer defile themselves with their idols and vile images or with any of their offenses, for I will save them from all their sinful backsliding, and I will cleanse them. They will be my people, and I will be their God.

Notice what He says here: “They will be my people, and I will be their God.” Contrast this with Hosea 1:9: “for ye are not My people, and I will not be your God.”

God had planned, from the very beginning, that the House of Israel would be scattered among the nations and they would lose their identity. They would become Lo Ammi -- "Not My People." But, He promised that He would regather them from the four corners of the earth, out of every nook and cranny, and bring them back to the Promised Land, and that when they came back, they would bring with them Gentiles. These are the "companions" of the House of Judah and the House of Israel that is spoken by Ezekiel in chapter 37.

Again, there is no "church." There is no "replacement" of Israel. The "church" IS Israel, made up of true descendants of the twelve tribes as well as Gentile companions, and Israel has continued to be unfaithful to the marriage covenant. Constatine committed the very same transgression as that of Jereboam in leading the House of Israel to idolatry. This is the "spirit of antichrist" that we were warned about. "Antichrist" does not mean "against Christ." It means "counterfeit," or "fake." It is a false Messiah that people accept as the real thing. That is what has happened: we have been worshipping a Hellenized "Jesus" who freed us from the Torah, rather than the Jewish "Yeshua" Who commands obedience to His Torah. But in Revelation, we find that harlot Israel is still just as disobedient to His Torah as it always was. God sends judgment after judgment in an effort to get her to repent, "but they repented not," because they refuse to accept that they have been taught wrong, and that they have *not* been "freed" from the Torah.

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I'm not sure why you are here. Messianic Judaism does not support the bashing of gentile churches. Messianic Judaism does not accept supersessionism -- the idea that gentile believers are Israel in any way shape or form including simply by being believers. We believe that Ekklesia is grafted onto Israel and that Ekklesia is the People of God. But only Jews have a right to be called Israel. You are entitled to your opinion. But if you want to ARGUE it, it is more appropriate in the debate sub-forum, don't you think?

"Because Israel had been an unfaithful bride, God declared that He would divorce her and have no more mercy for her. He would scatter the Israelites among the nations." <-- UNADULTERATED SUPERSESSIONISM
 
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I'm not sure why you are here. Messianic Judaism does not support the bashing of gentile churches. Messianic Judaism does not accept supersessionism -- the idea that gentile believers are Israel in any way shape or form including simply by being believers. We believe that Ekklesia is grafted onto Israel and that Ekklesia is the People of God. But only Jews have a right to be called Israel. You are entitled to your opinion. But if you want to ARGUE it, it is more appropriate in the debate sub-forum, don't you think?
?????? where do you get this idea... let me quote a portion specific to what you have brought up so that you can read it again.

Again, there is no "church." There is no "replacement" of Israel. The "church" IS Israel, made up of true descendants of the twelve tribes as well as Gentile companions, and Israel has continued to be unfaithful to the marriage covenant.
 
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?????? where do you get this idea... let me quote a portion specific to what you have brought up so that you can read it again.
Read his entire post in context. He is saying Israel disobeyed and God wants to divorce them. He blames the diaspora on Israel's disobedience. Now believers are Israel as well. He can phrase it any way he wants. It's a form of replacement theology.

This is EXACTLY the sort of post we were discussing. Not only does it bash gentile churches. It ALSO supports a theology that grates against MJ and angers all Jews -- whether they believe in Yeshua or not.

And I thought we were making progress, you and I....
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While the main forum is not the Orthodox MJ Fellowhship subforum, this quote should help clarify replacement theology (I bolded the variety used by shimon):

Messianic Judaism Forum Additions....

1.4 Debating and Teaching in MJ

Debating is defined by definition as a discussion involving a proposed solution to an issue. MJ Believers beliefs are not up for debate by anyone that is not an MJ Believer or falls in this catagory determined by this poll....
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1.4.1 No form of supersessionism/replacement theology will be tolerated in the Orthodox Messianic Jewish Fellowship sub-forum. Threads will be moved to debate and individual posts will be edited or bumped. Supersessionism varieties include:
The view that G-d has divorced Israel.
The view that the Covenant between G-d and Israel is cancelled or no longer in effect.
The view that Israel is no longer G-d's chosen People.
The view that the Church is now Israel.
The view that the Church is now PART of Israel.
The view the the "remnant" (messianic Jews) have replaced Israel
The view that "New Israel" is for any reason an appropriate title for the Church.
 
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I am not even sure where to begin with this Chazzerei; so bear with me.

The shear Chutzpah of this post has my kishkas in an uproar.

There is no church? the church is the body of believers. the word church usually refers to a group of gentile believers; as Jews we use congregation or shul.

The Torah is not the marriage covenant. it is the LAW; the rules by which we live. In reality Torah means teaching, but it is accepted as meaning law in this particular case.

What this person is espousing is a mad congleration of replacement theology and two house theology. Until now I had thought they were mutually exclusive; but this individual has managed to make it work. Unfortunately this idea and the two that it stems from are both heresy and typical anti-Semitic thought. No Jew would be interested in such things. Both of these heresies are strictly of gentile origin.

Replacement theology states that the 12 tribes are no longer Israel and the gentile church are now the new and improved Israel. We in the south usually use this kind of thinking to Fertilize the south forty. Two house theology is even worse if that is possible. It states that a gentile can be a Jew if they feel that they are part of the lost tribes. This is blatant nonesense since for one the lost tribes are not lost. We know where they are; they are dispersed around the world from the diaspora. And since when does how we feel make something so? what chutzpah, to think yo are a Jew because you feel like it? If you want to become a Jew, convert, don't claim there is no church, or that there are no gentiles, or no Jews or whatever it is that you are trying to espouse.

Gentiles are not Jews; they cannot become Jews except by converion. Being grafted in means into the promises of Messiah, i.e. salvation not adoption into the twelve tribes.

Personally i will never understand why anyone woud want to be a Jew that isnt one already. Even though I am proud to be Jewish (a Levite and a Kohain actually) it isn't for everyone.


The replacement part of this post is the: there is no church part. The poster is trying to say that only Jews are believers. It is a backhanded way of introducing the idea that Israel is no longer His Chosen or that someone else is now Israel. (at least I read it that way)

The rest of this post is pure two house theology


The Torah IS the &#8220;Marriage Covenant.&#8221; If one rejects the Torah, then they reject the &#8220;marriage&#8221; and ultimately reject the Groom: Yeshua.
 
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Read his entire post in context. He is saying Israel disobeyed and God wants to divorce them. He blames the diaspora on Israel's disobedience. Now believers are Israel as well. He can phrase it any way he wants. It's a form of replacement theology.

This is EXACTLY the sort of post we were discussing. Not only does it bash gentile churches. It ALSO supports a theology that grates against MJ and angers all Jews -- whether they believe in Yeshua or not.

And I thought we were making progress, you and I....
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While the main forum is not the Orthodox MJ Fellowhship subforum, this quote should help clarify replacement theology (I bolded the variety used by shimon):
I re- read the article looking for those things you saw in it.

I did not see replacement mainly because there was no mention of churches, and the focus stayed on the relationship of HaShem with Israel.

It is not the first time I have heard the Torah is the marriage covenant. Didn't know that was not so.
This issue of the JUF News arrives in your homes during the transition from the first book of the Torah, B'reisheet-Genesis to Shemot-Exodus. The Book of Shemot, which has three sections, is really quite simple. In Section 1, Chapter 1 through Chapter 18, God and Israel meet and get to know each other and fall in love. In Section 2, Chapter 19 through Chapter 24, God and Israel enter into a Covenant at Sinai; that is to say, they make an eternal commitment to each other, marriage, if you will. In Section 3, Chapter 25 through Chapter 40, they move into a common residence, in this case the Mishkan, the portable temple in the desert. Each of these three sections has its own purpose and its own organizing principle.
4/25/2007 2:40:17 PM http://www.juf.org/news/thinking_stories.aspx
Regarding the divorce... God brought that up..

Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Not the favorite part of scripture, sad day for all, a sad spot in history, but God is merciful and full of grace, and promises to restore Israel to her rightful place.
 
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Adam and Eve in the garden, perfect in every way. Eve committed idoltry when she listened to that snake and believed him. If Adam had not sacrificed his life for her by taking a bite out of that apple, he would not suffered the consequence of sin with her.

We have the marriage of God with Israel in the marriage covenant and low and behold Israel does have a scarlet record in that relationship.

Yeshua comes and without sin dies for her.
Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Now we look forward to the wedding supper.
 
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visionary: the post says:
Again, there is no "church." There is no "replacement" of Israel. The "church" IS Israel, That is the most extreme supersessionist statement I've ever seen.

In addition to supersessionism, he also bashes gentile churches, calling the church a harlot:
It is this same imagery that John is drawing on in the Book of Revelation when he describes “Babylon the Harlot:”

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Revelation 17:5: And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
The harlot is the “church” because there is no church. There is only the nation of Israel who was scattered among the Gentiles -- and Israel has been just as disobedient to the Torah for the past 2000 years following Yeshua’s death as she was for the previous 2000 years before His birth. All of us make up the "congregation of Israel." That's why the apostles used the word "ekklesia" to refer to the "congregation" -- because it had always been used to denote the "congregation of Israel" in the Septuagint, which was the popular "bible" among the Gentile believers of their day.

Torah is a covenant. Marriage is a covenant. They are not the same, but because they are both covenants, they are so very similar. This is why the marriage metaphors are so common and so appropriate. I have no problem with people saying Israel is the Bride of HaShem or the Church is the Bride of Christ or any of that. Figurative speech brings great depth and understanding. It only starts getting weird when they get literal about it, as if G-d is actually married.

I can't do this now, because shabbat is fast approaching, but next week I'll try to upload a thread about how Israel is G-d's covenant people forever, based on the totality of scripture. One can't take a single scripture and post it out of context.
 
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